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Why do churches do memberships?
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Why do churches do memberships?

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Jul 14, 2024, 8:18 PM
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There is absolutely nothing biblical about this.

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Jul 14, 2024, 8:23 PM
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I would never join any organization that would have me as a member. (It's an old Grouch quote)

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Jul 14, 2024, 8:29 PM
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There is absolutely nothing umbilical about it either.

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Jul 14, 2024, 8:31 PM
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Let me rephrase the question…

Why would you do something in church that is not biblical?


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Re: Why do churches do memberships?

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Jul 14, 2024, 8:49 PM
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We drive cars to church. We have air-conditioning.

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Jul 14, 2024, 9:10 PM [ in reply to Re: Why do churches do memberships? ]
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> Why would you do something in church that is not biblical?

you mean like, say, allow homosexual clergy lead a church congregation?

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John 3:16; 14:1-6


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Jul 15, 2024, 12:32 PM
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All have sinned and fall short of the glory of god.

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Jul 15, 2024, 1:20 PM
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Changing the topic?

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John 3:16; 14:1-6


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Jul 16, 2024, 7:36 AM
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What sins are acceptable for a pastor?

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Jul 16, 2024, 9:27 AM
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What sins are acceptable to God?

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John 3:16; 14:1-6


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Jul 15, 2024, 9:21 AM
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congregation is listed 331 times

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/search.php?q=congregation&page=1&order=0&bsec=&s=&qte=

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Jul 15, 2024, 10:36 AM
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congregation

noun
con·​gre·​ga·​tion ˌkäŋ-gri-ˈgā-shən
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: a gathering or collection of persons or things
2
a
: an assembly of persons gathered especially for religious worship
b
: the members of a church or synagogue

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Jul 15, 2024, 10:55 AM
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I have been a member of the church here for around 15 years. And that's a very good question. And just like anything else in this world that involves humans, it tends to get screwy sometimes. We are baptized and thus become a member of the church triumphant. As we become members of any particular denomination, we are agreeing or vowing if you will, of (to) what we believe. Many denominations have split over these things as we have seen recently with the Methodist church.

We need to keep track of things. We need to know how many we have. An interesting thing I did not know until I was an elder is that the church pays the regional (or national) organization a certain amount for every member on the rolls. So there's always that "follow the money" aspect of it. And if you really want to start a bruhaha in your church, just suggest "clearing the rolls" of people that no longer attend. I mean, you gotta get them off the roll or keep paying for them right? And one of a list of reasons I will never (quite a long time) serve on that board again. But that's another topic for another thread.

Speaking of keeping track, how else would we know if attending church or being a member is in decline if we didn't?

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Jul 15, 2024, 12:31 PM
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I guess the question is why is important for you to know that?

What spurred this question was a family member telling my wife and I that we should pursue membership.

We travel a lot so we attend 3 different churches. Our own hometown church, my in laws church, and my parents church.

But I guess it’s because of what you and HuntClub® alluded to above…

Making sure these little theological differences are correct.

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Jul 15, 2024, 2:21 PM
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It is not important for me personally to know that. I'm not very good at evangelism. And I've never been on the lookout for new members. I guess I live by the "come and see" method. If it's for you, we're glad to have you. If not, we're still glad to have you.

We have a "fellowship pad" at the end of each pew. As most churches do I suppose. Name and contact info for the church to contact you if you're interested. Then at end of each line you can place a check mark if you are a member or just visiting. I have a friend who has been attending our church for about as long as I, if not longer. She has not joined the church, but at the end of each line she writes in "regularly attending". I get a kick out of that each time I see it.

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Jul 16, 2024, 9:00 PM [ in reply to Re: Why do churches do memberships? ]
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Why do you even go to church?

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Jul 16, 2024, 9:21 PM
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To check out hot moms and play on the softball team.

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I wonder why you are asking that question.

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Jul 15, 2024, 10:20 PM
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What is the importance of that question?

Acts 2:41-47 does not explicitly use the word "member" but is certainly is consistent with that concept.

So, why are you asking the question? There must be some reason besides idle curiosity.

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Re: I wonder why you are asking that question.

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Jul 16, 2024, 7:12 AM
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From my post above:

What spurred this question was a family member telling my wife and I that we should pursue membership.

We travel a lot so we attend 3 different churches. Our own hometown church, my in laws church, and my parents church.

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Thanks. That explains it.***

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Re: Why do churches do memberships?

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Jul 16, 2024, 1:08 AM
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I would think it most likely has to do with voting on business matters that are specific to that individual church & congregation.

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I believe that's true but in SB churches one must profess faith in Jesus...

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Jul 16, 2024, 7:12 AM
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as Lord and Savior to become a member. IDK about other church organizations, but I don't think this is exclusive to SB.

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The church is the body of believers.

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Jul 16, 2024, 7:35 AM
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Whether talking about a local congregation or the universal church, the word "church" refers to believers in Christ.


That is why one must profess faith in Christ in order to become a member of a congregation.

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Yes but...

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Jul 16, 2024, 7:55 AM
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the heathen, some don't understand that. :)

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Jul 18, 2024, 4:16 PM [ in reply to The church is the body of believers. ]
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Agreed.

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I think it is Biblical and I don't believe it's hidden or obscure.

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Jul 16, 2024, 6:44 AM
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Acts 2:47, as Bretfsu points out, addressed those added to the church and specifies that they were saved which means they had publicly received Jesus as Lord and Savior.

mem·ber
[ˈmembər]
noun
a person, animal, or plant belonging to a particular group:
"interest from members of the public" · "a member of the lily family"
a person, country, or organization that has joined a group, society, or team:

Further, Paul describes the members of the Body of Christ as various members of the human body in 1st Corinthians 12:

"8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;

9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

14 For the body is not one member, but many."

The Church is The Body of Christ.


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Re: I think it is Biblical and I don't believe it's hidden or obscure.

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Jul 16, 2024, 7:11 AM
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Paul was not talking about being a member of a specific church or denomination, but rather the body of Christ.

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That's what I said.

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Jul 16, 2024, 7:15 AM
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Show me a church which considered itself Christian but doesn't require being saved to join and you'll be showing one with perversions behind the pulpit and in the pews.





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Re: That's what I said.

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Jul 16, 2024, 7:29 AM
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It’s not just about being saved. Saved people join churches, which is what I’m talking about here.

I can understand someone becoming a believer and “joining” the body of Christ.

What I don’t understand is how it’s done today, where you have so many churches in such small geographical areas that seem to sort of compete for members.

I’m not even going to get into the racial segregation that happens on Sunday mornings.

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God speaks to congregation, to the entire body of Christ but moreso...

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Jul 16, 2024, 7:53 AM
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He speaks to each of us individually. Every time God spoke to me and instructed me to 'join,' a body of believers I was in a Baptist Church.

I don't believe exactly like Baptist because all I believe I've found in the scripture. Much of SB believe I have no opinion of for God has not given me an opinion, yet. Maybe He will and maybe He won't, it makes me no matter. I hope others believe only what God lays on their hearts for many say, 'thus sayeth the LORD,' when the LORD has not spoken.

So with me believing only what God teaches me and many others believing that way you find a variety of beliefs and of course much ignorance to which I confessed in the previous paragraph. When the variance of beliefs between two men are accentuated as we've done and do here often, you find some slight separations which dictate that each seek out others who believe likewise. That is part of the reason for so many denominations of we protestants.

The old saying comes to mind, 'Birds of a feather flock together.' That happens with minor and major difference in doctrine. There are also geography concerns. Many of the churches built today were founded to accommodate people who live in a particular area. They were founded back when everyone didn't have a car and some wanted to get to and from church quickly.

Racial segregation belongs on the politics bored. There's no place in Christianity for it.

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Re: God speaks to congregation, to the entire body of Christ but moreso...

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Jul 16, 2024, 10:08 AM
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I just don’t understand how you people are gonna get along in eternity if you can’t spend a couple hours together on Sunday morning because of these theological differences.

I mean, Christians like to claim it’s all about Jesus, but it’s really not. He’s seems to be secondary to Paul and secondary to these traditions that were created long after he lived.

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Jul 18, 2024, 4:18 PM
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Show me where Jesus contradicts Paul.

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Jul 18, 2024, 5:35 PM
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Just in general.

Why didn’t Jesus set up the church?

Why didn’t Jesus say who could and couldn’t be a pastor?

Why didn’t Jesus say whether or not a woman could be a pastor?

Why did Paul have to come along and interpret Jesus for us?

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Jul 18, 2024, 7:27 PM
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Paul wrote at the inspiration of The Spirit. Jesus indeed told Paul.

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Jul 18, 2024, 7:52 PM
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Why didn’t Jesus just say it?

And how is that different from Muhammad’s vision in a cave?

We have to rely on Paul’s vision.

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Jul 18, 2024, 8:50 PM
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Because Jesus didn't want to.
Why do you care? I really can't figure out why you hate Christianity so bad, yet you attend Church. I don't do things I hate.

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Jul 19, 2024, 7:41 AM
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Well he clearly wanted to if you claim he told Paul.

I don’t hate anything, I’m just calling it like I see it.

Christianity is not based on Jesus, it’s based on “Paul”, which I believe was influenced over the centuries by several different people.

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Jul 19, 2024, 1:32 PM
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Why waste your time in Church?

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You've wrestled with that issue many times here on this forum.


Jul 18, 2024, 9:06 PM [ in reply to Re: God speaks to congregation, to the entire body of Christ but moreso... ]
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You must be able to comprehend that Jesus lived under the law just like all the OT folks. He fulfilled that law by taking the sin of all mankind upon Himself and the law, or old covenant, was fully executed upon His death. By that death He met all God's judgement on man.

Paul was not under the law, the old covenant. Christ ushered in a new covenant, grace. Paul lived under the old covenant until he accepted Jesus as Savior just like you, just like me and just like everyone else.

So yes, their teachings were different in such manner as Christ live by and taught the old law; Paul lived by and taught the new law, the law of Grace in that those who trust Jesus as their savior are freed from the old law which was sin and death.

Yes, they taught different but both taught the law of love both for God and fellowman.

If this needs further explanation I'm open to questions.

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Re: That's what I said.

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Jul 16, 2024, 8:55 AM [ in reply to Re: That's what I said. ]
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Big Dog, this is the kind of thing I was alluding to previously. A friend sent me this regarding an Episcopalian church in California. The rector had resigned and this was the reason given:

The church decided that since the choirs and congregation were mostly white, it was racist to sing traditional African-American spirituals ("Go Tell it on the Mountain," "There is a Balm in Gilead," "My Lord what a Morning," "When the Saints Go Marching In" etc etc etc). A small number of Black members of the choir were furious at being spoken for, as they did not consider it racist to sing these hymns.

This was billed as a "progressive" church and at least to me, seemed to be following the conventional wisdom of the day rather than scripture. Their attempt at being forward thinking and inclusive ended up dividing the church. Which is ironic in that the effort to include resulted in division and exclusion.

Like I said, when humans get involved....all bets are off.

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Jul 16, 2024, 10:05 AM
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Need more details. Why did they believe that the songs are racists?

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Re: That's what I said.

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Jul 16, 2024, 10:20 AM
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I really don't have more. I would imagine that since a lot of these spirituals came about during slavery. The point I was making with it was that it was the white members of the church, assuming that these songs are racists, trying to do the politically correct thing and not sing them for fear of offending anyone or being accused of cultural appropriation. The black members of the church were upset that the white members took it upon themselves to assume that anything was wrong or racists about the songs.

I was attempting an example of how politics (both inside the church and out) influence the membership and the decision making process of whether or not to be a member of any particular church.

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Jul 16, 2024, 11:14 AM
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There are times and places where it is impossible for the church to aspire to cultural relevance; simply being identified is dangerous. The yin/yang seems to be that while those are difficult times/places, that seems to be where the body does best. When following Jesus becomes acceptable, there seems to be a desire to be seen as culturally relevant, and all the societal nasty becomes a part of the body. Society then hates the church for seeing itself in it, but that is a fair criticism.

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Jul 16, 2024, 9:32 PM [ in reply to Re: That's what I said. ]
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Idk, but it sounds to me like the "white people lol" at least had their heart in the right place, trying not to offend. Which I believe is a biblical command. I think I'd rather have that than the attitude that someone who's offended should suck it up and deal with it, which you'd have if some of the black members did complain I would imagine. Interesting that they took that decision that way and were not more understanding, but we don't know all the details.

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Agree.

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Jul 17, 2024, 4:46 AM
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We are sheep. We should not be offensive to anyone.

However, my culture is southern gospel hymns. I sang them in churches of all denominations as a child. I find it foolish that anyone would be offended because someone stole their culture by singing the songs their forefathers sang.

Fact is that most of the old, country gospel songs began in bars with the lyrics changed to honor faith. Watch reruns of Gunsmoke and you'll hear a few in the Longbranch. Folks in the 1950 knew that, now folks have forgotten more southern culture than they remember.




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Jul 18, 2024, 4:22 PM
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I am about as Southern as they come, but Southern Gospel is pure torture. Some of the most awful music I have ever heard.

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Re: Agree.


Jul 18, 2024, 5:38 PM
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We finally agree!!!

It is terrible. Very awkward to me.

To be clear I’m talking white people southern gospel. Four overweight middle aged men in suits.

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Re: Agree.


Jul 18, 2024, 5:56 PM [ in reply to Re: Agree. ]
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Also to be clear ClemsonTiger1988® I don’t mind the hymns, it’s these southern gospel groups that travel from church to church singing on Sunday night and selling CD’s.

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They don't sing the souther gospel songs I grew up with anymore.


Jul 18, 2024, 9:09 PM [ in reply to Re: Agree. ]
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I haven't listed to gospel music other than at church in 35 years, maybe more.

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Jul 16, 2024, 10:26 AM
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Every post here has some very good points. I hope mine is at least sort of that. Won't be more.

But I lean to Brett and Dog on this one. It is no secret that the word 'ekklesia' in the NT is a secular term meaning "meeting", "separated congregation", or something close to that.

We know that the word "church" now means the religious denomination, the individual chapter of that denomination, or one existing with no denomination. However used, it refers to an organization. It is a cultural institution as well defined, controlled and powerful as 'government' and 'education'. Whatever it brings to mind in the average person, organizational Christianity earned it. I can't imagine this is what Jesus had in mind when he looked at Peter.

What an 'ekklesia' should have become today, and how we got from there to here, is the subject of innumerable books, all basically guessing. We don't know, won't know until the end. But, imo, we messed it up, bad. But I am not a deconstructionist: "We got what we got", in Clemson terms.

I smiled when ClemsonTiger1988® said every time God led him to a church it was a Baptist one. MissTulsa and I recently began attending a church because (aside from the fact some friends go there) it was non denominational, just getting beyond the 'church plant' stage, casual-ish, etc. After a few weeks I began to notice some not-so-subtle top down attitudes, beyond required structure. In the middle of a service I said to Miss, "This is starting to feel like a 1965 Baptist church".
"Shhh! I'm listening!"
So I went home and read the fine print in the web site, more than two clicks in. It IS a Baptist church! I said a naughty word. If you can't say it in the name, something is wrong besides the name, I think.

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Jul 17, 2024, 8:23 AM
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My wife and I attended several different “new age” churches a couple years ago. I was surprised to find out most of them were affiliated with the SBC. Kind of funny that they send them their money but don’t advertise it.

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Jul 18, 2024, 4:17 PM
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Why do you care what is Biblical?

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It's just a level of commitment for people who want or need that in order to


Jul 19, 2024, 3:29 PM
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feel like they truly belong and want to express that to others who feel the same. It's a way of belonging and committing to a larger community. I don't know if it's biblical and I don't think it really matters.

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Jul 24, 2024, 5:52 PM
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You should join one.

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Jul 24, 2024, 6:51 PM
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Why can’t you just go to church? Why do you have to join one particular one?

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Jul 24, 2024, 9:42 PM
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You can attend without joining. You should join. That way you can vote on church business.

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