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Why can't fish learn to stop biting something with a hook sticking out of it
Mar 18, 2016, 11:26 AM
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"Same thing with fishing. Why can't fish learn to stop biting something with a hook sticking out of it."
Jhop, have you ever been fishing and suddenly the fish quit biting whatever you're offering?
I thought about that this morning as I filled the cooler with another huge catch.my tackle box is full of various color grubs, tubes, etc and various hooks, invisible fishing line etc.
I can find a spot of crappie and catch em on a chartreuse grub for an hour or so, then they quit biting. I can then switch colors and start hauling them in again.
This isn't about evolution, just a point that fish can figure out "hey I better not bite that." 
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Re: Why can't fish learn to stop biting something with a hook sticking out of it
Mar 18, 2016, 11:34 AM
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Well when you think that evolution means "figuring things out" then... well it's not that surprising.
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Re: Why can't fish learn to stop biting something with a hook sticking out of it
Mar 18, 2016, 12:19 PM
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I'm still not sure what evolution means because it's not very clear and there's not much hard evidence on it. Someone posted a link last night and I'm assuming it was the best of the info out there and it was a few little 2-300 word pages of nothing.
Basically you've found a few human bones, a sharks tooth, and what looks like a half bird half dinosaur.
When you can show me a half monkey half man then we'll talk....until then I'm done with this conversation.
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Re: Why can't fish learn to stop biting something with a hook sticking out of it
Mar 18, 2016, 12:29 PM
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I've clearly explained it to you several times.
DNA mutates randomly. Sometimes those mutations are helpful, sometimes neutral and sometimes beneficial. The helpful mutations give animals a slightly better advantage and are more likely to have their dna passed on to their offspring.
That's pretty much it. We watch it happen in the lab all the time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_long-term_evolution_experiment
> Basically you've found a few human bones, a sharks tooth, and what looks like a half bird half dinosaur.
You are either clearly ignorant or simply a liar. What the video I posted in another thread, it clearly lays out the evidence.
> When you can show me a half monkey half man then we'll talk....until then I'm done with this conversation.
Evolution doesn't say we came from monkeys, it says we have a common ancestor to them. Also, I did show you transitional human fossils and you asked me about a 5000 year old china man... so there really isn't anything I can show you if you don't value evidence.
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Re: Why can't fish learn to stop biting something with a hook sticking out of it
Mar 18, 2016, 12:47 PM
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I've tried to explain to him at least three times that evolution doesn't say we came from monkeys.
He is stuck on what his "pastor" has claimed I guess
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As a man of Faith and a believer in science
Mar 18, 2016, 12:57 PM
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I can say I think you are doing a disservice to the former by mocking the later.
Don't insult the scientific process and evidence (even if you disagree with the current overwhelmingly consensus conclusions) by trying to belittle and mock evidence when it is presented to you.
It sounds, to me, just as ridiculous as when folks mock people of faith based on over-simplification and assuming them stupid.
There is quite a good bit of evidence for the evolutionary process to be what has happened. Of course you draw a line in the sand and say you disagree with the conclusions drawn from this evidence because it conflicts with your beliefs, but do so honestly and rationally (as many folks have) and not by attempting to belittle the evidence itself.
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Re: As a man of Faith and a believer in science
Mar 18, 2016, 1:01 PM
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^^This^^
I'll add that I don't think evolution disproves God. An omnipotent, omniscient God could surely allow for us to evolve, etc
But, some can't see both sides. It's either all or nothing.
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Re: As a man of Faith and a believer in science
Mar 18, 2016, 1:07 PM
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I think that's the main reason people get so worked up. Evolution being true does not disprove there is a god. It does contradict the bible but it doesn't mean there isn't a god.
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Re: As a man of Faith and a believer in science
Mar 18, 2016, 1:08 PM
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True.
But, for some Christians, they just can't agree with science.
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Re: As a man of Faith and a believer in science
Mar 18, 2016, 1:14 PM
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Correct, but it's never for scientific reasons. It's always because of conflicts with indoctrinated religion.
Otherwise, I'd love to see the evidence.
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Re: As a man of Faith and a believer in science
Mar 18, 2016, 1:15 PM
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Exactly.
Jhop, your pastor saying so isn't evidence
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Re: As a man of Faith and a believer in science
Mar 18, 2016, 7:38 PM
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There are plenty of "men of faith" that are scientists that have seen this supposed evidence and they still say it's a bunch of garbage....it is far from scientific fact.
I believe what the Bible says, and the Bible says man was created in the image of God....that man wasn't an ape that evolved into a human.
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They have been attending the wrong school.
Mar 18, 2016, 12:37 PM
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Avoiding Hooks 408 is a senior level, advanced class that only a few ichthyses actually have the prereqs to take.
Plus not all schools offer the class...
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Re: They have been attending the wrong school.
Mar 18, 2016, 12:46 PM
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LOL
I have run into some of those senior level fish.
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Re: Why can't fish learn to stop biting something with a hook sticking out of it
Mar 19, 2016, 10:47 AM
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We throw the little ones back, where they can go and reproduce at a later date. No need for nature to step in and preserve the species.
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