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Tiger Titan [48478]
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While we're playing the overly simplistic "yes or no" question game
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Apr 18, 2025, 11:54 AM
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Here's one:
Do you blindly trust the federal government and this administration in all of their actions and policies? Yes or no?
If your answer is no, then stop defending this administration rounding up people and shipping them to a torture camp without any sort of due process. You look like a complete imbecile doing so. If you don't trust them, why in the #### are you defending this?
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Pretty sure not trusting the federal govt is why Trump got elected.
Apr 18, 2025, 11:58 AM
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In the process of taking away the IRS' guns.
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Re: Pretty sure not trusting the federal govt is why Trump got elected.
Apr 18, 2025, 12:00 PM
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So you trust Trump and the people that work for him. How about them?
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Top TigerNet [30354]
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yes ... whoever is doing swamp draining ... I trust them ... whoever is
Apr 18, 2025, 12:02 PM
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opposed to swamp draining, I distrust them.
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Re: yes ... whoever is doing swamp draining ... I trust them ... whoever is
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Apr 18, 2025, 12:04 PM
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Maybe Trump and his crew are the new swamp. Maybe worse?
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Tiger Titan [48478]
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hitting the bottle early today, I see***
Apr 18, 2025, 2:51 PM
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Hell No.***
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Apr 18, 2025, 12:00 PM
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Tiger Titan [48478]
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Then quit the silly arguments.***
Apr 18, 2025, 12:01 PM
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Orange Immortal [64910]
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Not liking or agreeing with them doesn't make them silly.***
Apr 18, 2025, 12:17 PM
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Tiger Titan [48478]
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They're very silly
Apr 18, 2025, 12:22 PM
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You have made arguments that because the illegals have said "#### due process" (those were your words and that's silly on its own), they therefore don't deserve due process. Thus, you're saying that you blindly trust our government to tell us who should be shipped away without any sort of due process.
That's an absurd argument.
Next, you're arguing Abrego Garcia should have been shipped off, no questions asked, simply because he came here illegally, and the case is far more complex than that. I can only assume you've done little research on it and are simply embracing a "all illegals must be shipped off, no questions asked!" attitude.
Even the Trump admin and a unanimous Supreme Court have said it shouldn't have happened, but you're arguing otherwise without exploring the nuances of the case.
EDIT: You've also said it's wrong he was sent to a terrorist prison where no one leaves alive, but you're okay with the method that got him there.
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Orange Immortal [64910]
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I appreciate the conviction with which you express your opinions,
Apr 18, 2025, 1:31 PM
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but realize that's what they are.
You have made arguments that because the illegals have said "#### due process" (those were your words and that's silly on its own), they therefore don't deserve due process.
I've already tried to clarify that due to my poor wording. My point was simply that they only have use, much less respect, for our laws and legal processes when it benefits them. They have demonstrated they are perfectly willing to say "#### laws and legal processes" when it benefits them. Again, I understand that "due process" typically applies to a specific thing in our constitution, not legal processes in general, and that was a poor choice of words on my part as it did not convey my thoughts accurately.
Next, you're arguing Abrego Garcia should have been shipped off, no questions asked, simply because he came here illegally, and the case is far more complex than that. I can only assume you've done little research on it and are simply embracing a "all illegals must be shipped off, no questions asked!" attitude.
I have read numerous (probably 20-25) news articles about this case in an attempt to learn what I could. Obviously that was not thorough enough, but it's not at all like I made no attempt to inform myself. All adults who enter illegally should be deported, based simply on the fact that they entered illegally, without any further consideration. Otherwise, we should let anybody and everybody just walk right in, as they may deserve to be here, therefore denying them entry may be wrong. So, open borders, let them in, the set them up a court hearing, let them make their case, and then decide. Just keeping them out may not be best for them.
EDIT: You've also said it's wrong he was sent to a terrorist prison where no one leaves alive, but you're okay with the method that got him there.
Not sure what method you mean, but all illegal aliens who entered as adults, should be deported, yes. Then plead your case to get back in.
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Tiger Titan [48478]
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Re: I appreciate the conviction with which you express your opinions,
Apr 18, 2025, 1:35 PM
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1st paragraph: Okay, that's fair. And I agree that many do have the "#### the laws" attitude, but such was not the case with Abrego Garcia. That's why I advocated so hard for the due process is so that the people who shouldn't be swept up in all this remain protected.
2nd paragraph: While I agree almost 100 percent, cases like Abrego Garcia should be given closer examination. We're seeing people scrambling to find reasons why he should have been deported and sent to that concentration camp when even the Trump admin and the SCOTUS said he shouldn't have been.
3rd paragraph: The method being snatching someone without due process and shipping them off to a concentration camp. That is the Trump admin's intention; they aren't doing this for the good of America.
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Orange Immortal [64910]
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After learning from you (seriously) that Abrego Garcia was 15 or 16 when
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Apr 19, 2025, 11:14 AM
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he illegally entered the U.S., I have agreed he and others like him probably do deserve consideration.
The problem is terrible immigration policy and border control for decades, and no matter how we handle it going forward, there are going to be tough choices and unpleasant consequences, whereby all of us will have to accept some things we don't like or agree with. There's no way around it.
We have to start, IMHO, with the idea that we as a country have definite borders, and we decide and control who gets in, who doesn't and who stays. We have to (and can) do that with respect to the rights of all people, all while understanding that we are under no obligation to let anybody into this country, or allow them to stay if they are adults who entered illegally. We don't have to apologize for any of that. Starting there, we can work through the rest.
I think it can be done, but we all have to agree on that much.
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Paw Master [17090]
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Due process for illegals happens from their home country***
Apr 18, 2025, 12:00 PM
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Paw Warrior [4637]
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Legally speaking, citizenship has no bearing on due process.
Apr 18, 2025, 12:20 PM
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In other words, it is a right afforded to every individual in the U.S. regardless of whether they are a citizen of the country or not.
The person's home country has nothing to do with how they're processed (or SHOULD be processed) in the U.S.
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I dont know how you could have made a statement more wrong than that***
Apr 18, 2025, 12:36 PM
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Yeah, didn't think so.***
Apr 18, 2025, 2:56 PM
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Re: While we're playing the overly simplistic "yes or no" question game
Apr 18, 2025, 12:00 PM
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Re: While we're playing the overly simplistic "yes or no" question game
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Apr 18, 2025, 12:01 PM
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I DON'T TRUST THE GOVERNMENT. I just trust the King, I mean President, with all my heart.
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Top TigerNet [30354]
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Did you trust the government in
Apr 18, 2025, 12:20 PM
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which years specifically ?
2021 ? 2022 ? 2023 ? 2024 ? 2025 ?
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Tiger Titan [48478]
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I've never blindly trusted our government
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Apr 18, 2025, 12:23 PM
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Unlike you, who worships Trump.
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I trust them so much that I want 50% of them in the unemployment line.***
Apr 18, 2025, 1:28 PM
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Re: I trust them so much that I want 50% of them in the unemployment line.***
Apr 18, 2025, 2:12 PM
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It's odd that supporting getting rid of federal employees, getting rid of waste and fraud in federal spending and reducing federal regulations on us all equates to having some blind cult like love of the federal govt and those currently in charge. But then again we are engaging with card carrying morons so there is that.
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MAGA blindly trusts whatever Trump says.***
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Apr 18, 2025, 12:22 PM
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Never. Always skeptical until sufficient info. Almost never conspiratorial
Apr 18, 2025, 12:27 PM
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Because people aren’t that smart and rarely keep their mouth shut.
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Re: Never. Always skeptical until sufficient info. Almost never conspiratorial
Apr 18, 2025, 12:33 PM
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Aside from the people that worked together to attack our towers on 9/11, crash the plane into the Pentagon, and crash that plane in Pa. Those fake "hijacked" planes that killed close to 3k people was kept a perfect secret by all involved.
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Re: While we're playing the overly simplistic "yes or no" question game
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Apr 18, 2025, 1:51 PM
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Never have, never will.
As I’ve stated previously, most politicians I would not trust to babysit my dog.
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