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Ring of Honor [23085]
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Our culture needs to look at itself in the mirror when we
Sep 19, 2013, 11:56 PM
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are so outraged by a man punching another man who was struck first and being disrespected aggressively in his face. Battle lost his temper, and he should be punished... but I am more worried about our society if women have de-balled us so friggin much that we have been convinced that punching makes a person a thug.
He broke the rules... just like players who hold, or chop block, or facemask, or whatever. What has happened to masculinity in this country? People watching dances with the stars and American Idol too d@mned much. Go chop some wood!
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Our culture is a lost cause
Sep 19, 2013, 11:59 PM
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Re: Our culture needs to look at itself in the mirror when we
Sep 20, 2013, 12:50 AM
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I would say it has more to do with being completely selfish in the moment and not really caring about the consequences to your team. What if the fool loses his temper v. FSU, with a tie game in the 4th, on a big drive? There is a reason that Battle isn't playing as much as some Tiger fans think he should, and the whole nation saw his lack of mental toughness. What disheartened me even more was his delight in giving replays on the sideline to a national TV audience--brilliant!
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Ring of Honor [23085]
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No doubt it was a selfish mistake. I agree. But...
Sep 20, 2013, 12:52 AM
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I am commenting on the reaction that has labeled the behavior thuggish and classless. He should not have punched the guy, but players should not drop passes, or commit stupid penalties. People are adding some moral element to punching a guy.
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Heisman Winner [107405]
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when a hold gets you kicked out of 2 games let me know
Sep 20, 2013, 12:52 AM
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but i agree about the wussification of murica.
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Ring of Honor [23085]
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I don't think punching should get you kicked out for
Sep 20, 2013, 12:54 AM
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two games if the video evidence shows you were punched first. Instigators must be stopped. Instigators are the true classless ones.
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Heisman Winner [107405]
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don't know the rule, don't care. holding doesn't cost you
Sep 20, 2013, 1:01 AM
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game time nor do any of the others you said were "breaking the rules to".
it was a boneheaded analogy & play. i don't care that he punched him, i care he lost his cool when stressed which cost his team with an ejection.
he plays in a game that if you want your pound of flesh you can do so within the rules; go get some anytime, all the time.
you can't get that pound sitting on the sideline.
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Ring of Honor [23085]
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You missed the point I was making with my analogy.
Sep 20, 2013, 1:12 AM
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My analogy was intended to criticize the moral outrage that many on this message board displayed over the punch.
Words like "classless" and "thug" have no place in this discussion.
Your wording seems to suggest you think I want him to get thrown out of another game. I've stated quite clearly that I think his actions were a mistake and he should be punished. I just take comfort knowing he's mean.
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Heisman Winner [107405]
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no, i didn't. it was a stupid analogy.***
Sep 20, 2013, 1:15 AM
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Ring of Honor [23085]
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Eh... no. I still think you missed the point.
Sep 20, 2013, 1:18 AM
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You never really addressed it.
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Heisman Winner [107405]
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ok, you can be wrong, i'm kewl with that.***
Sep 20, 2013, 1:18 AM
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Orange Blooded [4854]
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What makes you right?
Sep 20, 2013, 1:23 AM
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You?
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Heisman Winner [107405]
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when we're discussing what i did and/or did not think? yes.
Sep 20, 2013, 1:25 AM
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i'm pretty much the only eye witness.
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Ring of Honor [23085]
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Re: when we're discussing what i did and/or did not think? yes.
Sep 20, 2013, 1:32 AM
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We were not discussing what you thought. We were discussing, at the tail end there, whether or not you missed the point of my analogy. That involves both of us and everyone who reads the thread.
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Heisman Winner [107405]
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sure we were, you thought i missed your point, when in fact
Sep 20, 2013, 1:37 AM
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i didn't. i thought about it and shrugged. the analogy however was stupid.
you are either wrong about me missing it or calling me a liar.
either way, you're wrong.
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Ring of Honor [23085]
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Nice alternate universe you set up for yourself.
Sep 20, 2013, 3:24 PM
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Must be nice to randomly declare ways to make it impossible for you to be wrong. Not the best strategy for becoming any smarter, but I'm sure it has other benefits.
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CU Guru [1898]
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Re: You missed the point I was making with my analogy.
Sep 20, 2013, 3:43 PM
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Well, who are you to make the rules for the rest of us. Punching that guy WAS a "thuggish" thing to do on national television - an embarassment. If a coot player did the same thing to a Tiger player, what would that be called? I am sure Battle is a good man and a valuable member of the Tiger team. I am also sure that no other Tiger player will do something like that for the rest of the season.
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Re: I don't think punching should get you kicked out for
Sep 20, 2013, 1:03 AM
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Instigators are the classless ones? What?
Dude, trash talking is part of the game. Do you really believe Clemson plays don't talk trash on the field, too?
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Ring of Honor [23085]
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Trash talking is fine, the other guy punched him first.***
Sep 20, 2013, 1:13 AM
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110%er [5298]
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Re: Our culture needs to look at itself in the mirror when we
Sep 20, 2013, 12:55 AM
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Women started liking men who wear skinny jeans. That is why we are where we are today concerning masculinity.
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Campus Hero [13230]
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From what I saw, he didn't hit first.
Sep 20, 2013, 12:56 AM
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End of discussion, in my opinion.
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Orange Blooded [4854]
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Some guys are that guy who take care of things that others
Sep 20, 2013, 1:22 AM
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don't.
We are not all the same and that is what makes the world go around.
So yeah, to say Clemson guy doesn't do this or that is being naïve, cause sometimes you need that guy no matter what you would do.
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All-TigerNet [10871]
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I agree, I think our new tradition should be remove our
Sep 20, 2013, 1:09 AM
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helmets at the top of the hill and when the cannon goes off, just charge the opposing team on the sideline. Don't even play a down of football, just attack. Take the helmet and just start bashing people senseless.
We shouldn't release balloons either, but instead, pterodactyls. Have them fly up and scoop people out of the stands and eat them. Maybe even set a few tigers loose and see what happens.
Also, why are we throwing around a football? Why not something a little more dangerous like a jar full of africanized honey bees?
I want more violence, blood, and mayhem...I want more football.
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Ring of Honor [23085]
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I totally forgot pterodactyls started with a p. Thank you.***
Sep 20, 2013, 1:14 AM
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All-TigerNet [10871]
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Google Chrome is awesome....I'm a terrible speller.***
Sep 20, 2013, 1:15 AM
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Orange Blooded [4854]
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My God are we talking about returning to Clemson Football
Sep 20, 2013, 1:28 AM
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blood, guts, and no fear to where that leads us?
Please tell me so, cause last time we were there we weren't just a passively rabid fanbase, we were dominate, and by God we weren't scared to let people know.
Freakin AD in the 90's took that and left us with PC losing B$.
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Yeah! Because if there's one thing our culture doesn't have
Sep 20, 2013, 2:29 AM
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enough of, it's overaggressive males with chips on their shoulders and an inability to solve problems without resorting to violence!
Give me a break.
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Orange Blooded [4854]
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Wow, you do realize this is in regards to a footbal game,
Sep 20, 2013, 2:39 AM
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right?
And on another note; guess we as a society need more people taking advantage of "PC rules" to screw with people, huh?
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Scout Team [161]
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Re: Wow, you do realize this is in regards to a footbal game,
Sep 20, 2013, 2:49 AM
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I was responding to the silly generalizations in the original post.
I'm not sure what you have against Presbyterian College, but that's your issue.
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Orange Blooded [4854]
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Not the college, PC = Politically Correct
Sep 20, 2013, 2:56 AM
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nm
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Scout Team [161]
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Re: Not the college, PC = Politically Correct
Sep 20, 2013, 3:04 AM
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I'm not familiar with that term. Could you explain it to me?
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Scout Team [162]
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Re: Our culture needs to look at itself in the mirror when we
Sep 20, 2013, 2:36 AM
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Battle is young and will better learn to control his emotions. Dabo will tell him what you should be told: Be a man and don't let your emotions control you. The game was almost over and not in jeopardy. It doesn't matter what an opposing player does or says. Don't retaliate!!! Any pre-pubescent boy can throw a punch. You're not a winner based on the final score, and you're not a man based upon your age, gender, or physical strength. I'm not calling Battle a "thug" or degrading him. But I do think it foolish for anyone on this message board to attempt to draw a parallel between an uppercut to the face and a holding penalty, or to say that masculinity is defined by throwing punches.
"Be angry and do not sin." Look it up yourself.
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Orange Blooded [2293]
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fight
Sep 20, 2013, 3:06 AM
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maybe they should treat it like hockey and let them square off.....
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Re: fight
Sep 20, 2013, 5:47 AM
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This is one of the problems with the world now people twist and turn things top anyway they can spin it to make them right or a smart### p#### . And when some slaps him for doing that then he looks bad. Battle was not being smart when he did that, but everyone is human and we all make mistakes so to answer some stupid quote on here " he without sin cast the first stone" . I think more people should remember that verse before quoting any other!
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Re: Our culture needs to look at itself in the mirror when we
Sep 20, 2013, 4:43 AM
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Hey now...don't blame this on women! I'm glad he punched him. Nothing wrong in standing up for yourself. Go Tigers!
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All-TigerNet [10298]
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The game has rules, and our program has standards...
Sep 20, 2013, 5:50 AM
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This type of behavior, perhaps in a closer game could jeopardize our whole season, it goes beyond just one punch, it is how our players conduct themselves on and off the field!
I'm proud of our program, and thus, I am embarrassed by his behavior.
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Orange Blooded [4787]
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exactly right. this country was built by strong characters,
Sep 20, 2013, 5:57 AM
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we now have entirely too many people that will sit back and watch something happening,instead of stepping in and stopping it.
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CU Guru [1346]
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It's a football game and not a MMA event
Sep 20, 2013, 3:26 PM
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There are rules and boundaries. You can be as brutal and aggressive as you want. You just can't cross lines. And it has nothing to do with being neutered by culture.
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CU Guru [1363]
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You'd think he'd killed a baby right on the field
Sep 20, 2013, 3:34 PM
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the way some people are acting...
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So in your opinion holding=uppercut?
Sep 20, 2013, 3:45 PM
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One is not worse than the other? Good logic.
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If by struck first, you mean slightly bumped into, then yes.
Sep 20, 2013, 3:53 PM
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He wasn't hit at all. He was bumped.
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Re: Our culture needs to look at itself in the mirror when we
Sep 20, 2013, 4:27 PM
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The disturbing part of the whole thing is hypocritical statements made by many on this board....The same ones who call out other universities for being thuggish and hoodlums think this is completely okay...THIS IS COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOR UNLESS YOU ARE PLAYING FOR THE TEAM I LIKE...lol
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