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TNET: Reports: Clemson guard enters transfer portal
Mar 22, 2022, 11:32 AM
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson guard enters transfer portal
Mar 22, 2022, 11:32 AM
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Well that sucks
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I've really enjoyed watching Honor play over the years and
Mar 22, 2022, 1:41 PM
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will miss his hustle and fight. He never looked out of his element or that the moment was too big for him that I can recall. Kid played with a lot of heart. I wish him success wherever he lands.
Go Tigers!
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson guard enters transfer portal
Mar 22, 2022, 7:35 PM
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Question- Can someone tell me, how did Max and Kidd do this year?
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And here comes the typical mass exodus from brown-Ls program
Mar 22, 2022, 11:35 AM
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Nice letter Neff.
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Re: And here comes the typical mass exodus from brown-Ls program
Mar 22, 2022, 11:36 AM
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Re: And here comes the typical mass exodus from brown-Ls program
Mar 22, 2022, 1:14 PM
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I would bet that Neff, and Brownell are clueless of any plan that would work!!! If they had a plan, it would look like a monkey humping a basketball!!!
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Re: And here comes the typical mass exodus from brown-Ls program
Mar 22, 2022, 5:56 PM
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I would bet that Neff, and Brownell are clueless of any plan that would work!!! If they had a plan, it would look like a monkey humping a basketball!!!
While you're at ir let's include the President, BOT and T G Clemson.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson guard enters transfer portal
Mar 22, 2022, 11:40 AM
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This is the new world of college athletics. Good riddance and don't post a stupid than you letter.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson guard enters transfer portal
Mar 22, 2022, 11:44 AM
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This is the new world of college athletics. Good riddance and don't post a stupid than you letter.
He graduated. And he wants to try and play elsewhere while starting a masters, I assume. Don't be so infantile.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson guard enters transfer portal
Mar 22, 2022, 11:45 AM
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and people were worried about players transferring if Brown-L was let go.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson guard enters transfer portal
Mar 22, 2022, 11:47 AM
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Makes a lot of sense and I'm surprised one of him or Dawes didn't transfer last year.
I would rather have Dawes. He's taller, can shoot better, and has a higher ceiling. You coii I'll Ltd also see opposing PG's confidence grow every time honor was guarding them.
I think both Dawes and honor had their progression slowed down by each other.
We also have a tall PG coming next year. This isn't really a position of need.
Good luck nick!
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson guard enters transfer portal
Mar 22, 2022, 11:59 AM
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Sure I’m sure we have no need in this position. We are all set for another fun year.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson guard enters transfer portal
Mar 22, 2022, 12:10 PM
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Huh? I said that our transfers coming in we're as good/better than the transfers going out for next year.
The only player I was annoyed with losing was omax and I stated that last year. I still am bummed he transferred. It was the first transfer of a player that I thought could be a high impact player
I'm there than omax, I wasn't annoyed with losing trapp or Newman, and it's obvious Kidd was going to sit behind pj ball his whole career here.
I would definitely have had naz and Collins over Newman, trapp, and Kidd. Omax stung
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson guard enters transfer portal
Mar 22, 2022, 12:05 PM
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Makes a lot of sense and I'm surprised one of him or Dawes didn't transfer last year.
I would rather have Dawes. He's taller, can shoot better, and has a higher ceiling. You coii I'll Ltd also see opposing PG's confidence grow every time honor was guarding them.
I think both Dawes and honor had their progression slowed down by each other.
We also have a tall PG coming next year. This isn't really a position of need.
Good luck nick!
Yeah Dawes a higher ceiling he hasn't shown in three years since his freshman season. I actually would be good with Dawes leaving as long as brings in better guard.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson guard enters transfer portal
Mar 22, 2022, 12:06 PM
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Starting to sound like Judge defending Brad again.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson guard enters transfer portal
Mar 22, 2022, 1:04 PM
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They are both are streaky shooters but Honor seemed to be better at bringing the ball up the court against pressure. Even the one man token pressure seemed to rattle Dawes sometimes and he would just lose it on the dribble. Dawes is probably a little better defensively.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson guard enters transfer portal
Mar 22, 2022, 1:48 PM
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Liked him for a lot of reasons stated (hustle, ability to get hot from the outside), but quite honestly he was in over his head at the ACC level. He could make nice impact at a mid-major for his final year. As BB has even admitted, they have to raise the recruiting bar (both for frosh and transfers) and this is a good example.
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Annnnddddd here we go…***
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Mar 22, 2022, 11:48 AM
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Re: Annnnddddd here we go…***
Mar 22, 2022, 11:55 AM
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??????????
The crazies have come out to play.
Do you think brownell has improved our team or made our team worse from the transfer portal since he has been at Clemson?
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Tiger Spirit [9334]
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I’m not wasting time doing some calculus to figure that out.
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Mar 22, 2022, 12:08 PM
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I know what my eyes have seen of Clemson basketball under BrownL…and it sucks.
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Re: Annnnddddd here we go…***
Mar 22, 2022, 12:16 PM
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Talk about crazy. “Muh Portal” came into existence in 2018. Brownell’s win total since then 25 to 20 to 16 to 17 (I’m leaving out his 16 wins in 2020-21). His ability to win has declined by almost 30% since the advent of the portal yet you pretend he uses it masterfully.
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Re: Annnnddddd here we go…***
Mar 22, 2022, 1:02 PM
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You are aware that our sweet 16 team was virtually all transfers, right?
Since you are too stupid to read between the lines, I should say, brownell has used TRANSFERS to his benefit his program. There were transfers prior to the portal being created, right?
And then you take out one of brownells best years, where two contributors were transfers? Why?
Talk about manipulating stats. Lol.
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Re: Annnnddddd here we go…***
Mar 22, 2022, 1:28 PM
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So your just going to make sh*t up now. He returned 56% of his scoring offense in 17-18. The top 5 scorers on his Sweet 16 team were returners. 36% of the lost production was from 2 graduating seniors. And the 16-17 team returned 74.3% of the scoring production from 15-16. So no, your premise is inaccurate at best. Knowingly false at worst. AND I qualified it as post “portal” so everything you responded to was accurate. Even if he’d used the pre-existing system well, we have a pretty well documented inability to improve his team via the portal since it’s inception.
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Reed, Mitchell and Thomas were all transfers
Mar 22, 2022, 2:02 PM
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from previous years. Had the big guy from Michigan off the bench. Brad recruited Devoe, Grantham and Simms
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Re: Reed, Mitchell and Thomas were all transfers
Mar 22, 2022, 3:36 PM
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A) it had nothing to do with “the portal.” I was replying to a comment that said “ Do you think brownell has improved our team or made our team worse from the transfer portal.” So, he’s still being disingenuous.
B) context matters. No significant members of the Sweet 16 team were new transfers that season. The context is that once again, to be successful, Brownell will have to seek immediate impact players via the portal. That didn’t happen.
C) he tried to call me out for “cherry picking” dates and leaving out the Sweet 16 season. I only addressed years that “the portal” has been in existence per his comment quoted above. However he cherry picked the Sweet 16 team not indicating that those were not new players that had suddenly made the team better. In context he actually undermined the point he was trying to make.
D) none of this matters because Brownell actually has a record of failure however he puts a team on the court. The Sweet 16 is a clear outlier. He returned most of that team and failed. This year he supposedly upgraded everywhere via portal and still failed.
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Re: Reed, Mitchell and Thomas were all transfers
Mar 24, 2022, 9:23 PM
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Wow. I was talking about all transfers. It's called the portal now. It wasn't called the portal then.
So we only count transfer impacts if it is their first year with the program? Very weird way of
Looking at things. Mitchell, reed, Thomas, and Donnal we're all impact transfers.
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Re: Annnnddddd here we go…***
Mar 22, 2022, 3:24 PM
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Compare the last 5 years of OP to the BB years and you will see that we have digressed. So what point are you trying to make?
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson guard enters transfer portal
Mar 22, 2022, 11:50 AM
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A reminder for our clueless basketball fans:
Transfers happen on every team and every year now. Players transferring isn't always a bad sign. It is now about if you benefit your team from the portal.
Even our clueless fans should be able to agree that brownell uses the portal to benefit our team year in and year out.
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^ This…
Mar 22, 2022, 11:53 AM
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People focus too much on wins/losses. Some of us understand that doesn’t matter.
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Re: ^ This…
Mar 22, 2022, 1:21 PM
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Bingo, you have to first expect to get into the big dance before you worry about wins, and losses, Right?
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Agree this happens, but it is a major reason why interest in
Mar 22, 2022, 11:58 AM
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college basketball is down. Nobody knows from year to year who the players are. No good guys, or bad guys from year to year. Not sure it can or should be corrected, but it is effecting viewership. Same thing is going to happen to college football
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson guard enters transfer portal
Mar 22, 2022, 12:03 PM
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Like how we used the portal to improve year over year from last year to this? It takes an unbelievable degree of cognitive dissonance for you to type this in any seriousness.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson guard enters transfer portal
Mar 22, 2022, 12:03 PM
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There is no doubt about it. Brownell is making all the right moves. We have been trusting him for 12 years. Why would we ever want to change now?
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My criticisms of Brownell are a matter of record. I feel
Mar 22, 2022, 12:31 PM
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they are justified and I stand by them unapologetically.
Having said that, players transferring in and out, this time of year, in 2022, has ZERO to do with Brownell or his abilities or effectiveness as a coach. It happens almost everywhere.
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Re: My criticisms of Brownell are a matter of record. I feel
Mar 22, 2022, 1:30 PM
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they are justified and I stand by them unapologetically.
Having said that, players transferring in and out, this time of year, in 2022, has ZERO to do with Brownell or his abilities or effectiveness as a coach. It happens almost everywhere.
The top of transfers is how you can tell the delusional brownell detractors from the same ones.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson guard enters transfer portal
Mar 22, 2022, 11:57 AM
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Starts for 3 years and now he leaves. Great way to build a program. Who is next? Hope PJ stays.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson guard enters transfer portal
Mar 22, 2022, 12:04 PM
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LMAO you are so delusional and as always incorrect.
Nick honor played on our basketball team for 2 years and started 35 of 57 games per sports reference.
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***You should let him in on your little secret***
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Mar 22, 2022, 12:12 PM
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The more insults you throw around at people, the more smarter you sound.
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What did I tell you...
Mar 22, 2022, 11:59 AM
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There will be one or two more too. Now at least can get a good wing player they need.
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Re: What did I tell you...
Mar 22, 2022, 12:01 PM
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WOW!!! You predicted we would have transfers in the off-season! What an incredible prediction.
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Re: What did I tell you...
Mar 22, 2022, 12:07 PM
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I just can’t understand why anyone would want to transfer from such a highly successful program.
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Re: What did I tell you...
Mar 22, 2022, 12:09 PM
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Why would anyone walk away from such a great developer of talent?
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Re: What did I tell you...
Mar 22, 2022, 12:36 PM
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Uh, players transfer from Duke, Kentucky, UNC, UCLA, Kansas, Gonzaga, Baylor . . .
It has nothing to do with the program.
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Re: What did I tell you...
Mar 22, 2022, 12:43 PM
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We aren't a successful program. We have never been.
It's like you people argue with imaginary people in your head.
Literally no one has said we have been a great program under brownell.
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Re: What did I tell you...
Mar 22, 2022, 12:10 PM
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WOW!!! You predicted we would have transfers in the off-season! What an incredible prediction.
Yeah and I said one would be Dawes or Honor if not both...
There will 1 or 2 more, at least.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson guard enters transfer portal
Mar 22, 2022, 12:33 PM
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Here's the deal . . once a transfer . . always able to transfer. And I guess Brads stellar personality wasn't enough for him.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson guard enters transfer portal
Mar 22, 2022, 12:37 PM
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Not a shock. Glad he graduated. He'll always have that. I applaud Nick for staying the year. After coach says our guards aren't tall enough, everyone knew who he was publicly calling out.
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Minimize it all you want, but this hurts
Mar 22, 2022, 12:46 PM
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Sure Honor was undersized, but he was an experienced guy who has logged major meaningful minutes in ACC play. If we are to believe Neff’s and Brownell’s position is to play in the Big Dance next year, you need experienced players like Honor who aren’t afraid to take and make big shots in the clutch.
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Really? Nick took a step back this year
Mar 22, 2022, 12:54 PM
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Dawes and Hunter were the primary backcourt when we played well. Beadle, who redshirted, is going to play next year. May see at least one more from the backcourt/wing group. Which means we'll bring in a couple of guys there. College basketball 2022
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Re: Really? Nick took a step back this year
Mar 22, 2022, 1:18 PM
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Yes, really. Today’s college game is dominated by experienced backcourt play. I’m well aware of Honor’s step back in production this season. But I also take stock in having an experienced guard to come off the bench. Especially in the event Dawes/Hunter is injured.
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Re: Really? Nick took a step back this year
Mar 22, 2022, 2:27 PM
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He is gone. None one on this board can do anything about it. Neff did not cause this at all. Find something else to argue with people about that don't agree with you. Some sound like the national media on here. He will be replaced. Geez.
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Re: Really? Nick took a step back this year
Mar 22, 2022, 5:09 PM
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That's the dilemma..."experienced" players don't want to come off the bench, especially if they think they can get playing time somewhere else. They're certainly not concerned what the fans think about it.
This is the world of college sports and there's no going back. I'm not saying it's good or bad, that's just how it is now.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson guard enters transfer portal
Mar 22, 2022, 3:12 PM
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HOPE YOU FIND EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. .
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Game Day Hero [4176]
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson guard enters transfer portal
Mar 22, 2022, 3:19 PM
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The unasked question - why do starters keep leaving a BB team? We all know the answer.
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I guess he figured that with all of our elite talent, playing time
Mar 22, 2022, 3:41 PM
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would be scarce.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson guard enters transfer portal
Mar 22, 2022, 8:06 PM
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He served his time “honorably” (and he graduated in December).
I wish he would stay, but we shouldn’t have a problem with players wanting to take a shot with another school as a grad student.
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Honor AND Dawes are backups
Mar 22, 2022, 8:16 PM
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Or at least should be at any ACC school. They have enough ability to make someone else better in practice, but neither of them are starting quality. The are dribble and shoot first and rarely get the ball to someone who can score. IMO, they’re both defensive liabilities, especially in a man2man situation. The only loss to me is depth, but hopefully, Beadle will fill that role next year.
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Re: Honor AND Dawes are backups
Mar 22, 2022, 11:12 PM
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My acrobatics suck bigtime I only make fun of you now.
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All-In [11066]
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I don't think he will be greatly missed...was way to inconsistent
Mar 22, 2022, 10:59 PM
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to be really depended on. And had a bad habit of driving the lane into traffic, without even looking to kick it back out.
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