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What are the chances of FOUR undefeated teams?? TLDR
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What are the chances of FOUR undefeated teams?? TLDR


Sep 7, 2018, 9:53 AM

Okay so, statistically speaking, the chances of having four undefeated teams in one season is HIGHLY unlikely; no matter the circumstances. So, I’m not arguing that this is a likely scenario, but maybe just an increase of the chances: Do you think – after watching week 1 and knowing what we already know – the chances of potentially having FOUR undefeated teams in the playoff this year have gone up??

After watching week 1, and knowing what we already know of these teams, it appears that there are four teams whom have seemingly separated themselves from “the rest of the pack.” Those four teams are (at least from my perspective) Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, and Oklahoma.

So, go with me here…

ALABAMA:

• I think it’s totally fair to say that year-in-and-year-out Alabama has the most talented roster of any team in CFB; and I think this year is no different. Except, instead of having an anemic offense and a questionable QB situation to hold them back, Alabama seemingly has a dynamic QB and offense to go along with their always top 5 defense.

• Outside of @ LSU (who knows what they are at this point…), Miss St, and Auburn, Alabama’s schedule is very manageable/easy (shocking being in the SEC, I know…). As it stands, Bama only plays ONE ranked team on the road (LSU), and their other two toughest opponents are at home at the end of the year (Miss St and Auburn). I truly think Auburn, assuming they continue their trend of playing their best at the end of the year, is the only team in the regular season that can beat them. Obviously, Bama may have the toughest Conference championship game though (assuming it’s against Georgia).

CLEMSON:

• No offense to previous Tiger teams, but from top-to-bottom, this may be Dabo’s most talented, experienced, and deepest team yet. In all three phases, there are seemingly little-to-no question marks. As long as the QB situation becomes settled soon, in the best scenario (which, I think it will), Clemson has arguably the best roster situation in the nation.

• Looking at the schedule, Clemson already had a relatively easy schedule comparative to previous years, but – after watching week 1 – Clemson’s scheduling seemingly became a lot easier. Syracuse, Wake Forest, NC State, FSU (especially…), and Louisville all looked average-to-really bad (and, no offense, who will be afraid of whatever team wins the ACC Costal?). As the year progresses, the teams on Clemson’s schedule could improve, but at first glance, an undefeated Clemson season looks all the more likely as long as we get past A&M this weekend (fingers crossed we don’t pull a “Pitt 2016” or “Cuse 2017”!)

OHIO STATE

• Similar to Alabama and Clemson, OSU has one of the most talented and least questionable rosters in all of CFB. If there are any questions, they’ll have very talented players ready to answer them. I know their team could potentially allow the Meyer situation to distract them, but now that the season has begun, they can become more focused. With a seemingly good-to-potentially-great QB situation and amazing D-Line (behind Clemson's of course), they are stacked.

• Similar to Clemson, after week 1, OSU’s schedule seemingly became a lot easier. OSU certainly has a tougher schedule overall, playing in the Big 10 East, but after watching some of the tougher teams on their schedule play week 1, their schedule lost some of its luster. PSU, MSU, and Michigan all looked very bad week 1, and unless something changes, OSU clearly looks better than those teams. Outside of a neutral site match up with TCU, who else truly looks to be straight-up competitive with OSU this season? Plus, with an all-but-given match up with Wisconsin in the Big 10 Championship, did Wisconsin look improved enough from last year to compete with OSU this time?

OKLAHOMA

• While not having as talented of a roster compared to Bama, Clem, and OSU, Oklahoma is not all that far behind. While having bigger question marks, Oklahoma had, in my opinion, one of the most impressive performances in week 1 by blowing out a pretty solid FAU squad. Plus, the most encouraging aspect from week 1 is that Kyler Murray looks as advertised; if not better than advertised. Given their potential deficiencies elsewhere, having stellar QB play can cover up a lot of lacking (as we Clemson fans know).

• While you can argue that Bama’s, Clem’s, and OSU’s schedules have gotten easier after watching week 1, it’s tougher to tell with Oklahoma’s. Their back-end schedule of @ TCU, Oklahoma St, and @ WVU seems pretty daunting, but we’ll find out more as the season progresses. Although, just comparing those teams to the Sooners, they appear to be the better overall team; especially if their defense continues its positive trend after containing a pretty good FAU offense.

Obviously, once again, it’s VERY EARLY and having FOUR undefeated teams is VERY UNLIKELY, especially given top team’s propensity (especially Clemson’s, unfortunately) to randomly play poorly and drop games to unlikely opponents; and just the rigors or unfortunate injuries that come with a college football season.

Regardless, I just thought it was an interesting scenario and entertaining thought to discuss…

Anywho, go Tigers and God bless!

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Sep 7, 2018, 10:00 AM



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Re: What are the chances of FOUR undefeated teams?? TLDR


Sep 7, 2018, 10:10 AM

The chances are to far reaching. It would be a better chance that no team went undefeated and a 2 loss team sneaks into the payoffs for the first time. What would be really interesting would be if there are those 4 teams undefeated along with ND. That would really put the committee in a bad position. It could force a change in the 4 team playoff really quickly. It Wouldn't help the team left out this year but the NCAA would be scrambling to change the playoff system to either a 6 or 8 team playoff. The good thing is I do not foresee an undefeated Clemson or Bama being left out. Go Tigers. 15-0.

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Re: What are the chances of FOUR undefeated teams?? TLDR


Sep 7, 2018, 10:17 AM

Here's my math.

Clemson - 80%
Alabama - 70%
OSU - 40%
Oklahoma- 30%

All 4 - 6.7%

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Re: What are the chances of FOUR undefeated teams?? TLDR


Sep 7, 2018, 10:41 AM

I’d say that’s pretty good math. What stat program did you use... jk

Nah I know I’ve been called out but I really think at the eoy that our schedule will prove to have been a tough one. I know fsu looked bad but imo they’ll fix the oline problems and may end up with a qb change. They had a ton of mistakes but for the most part their D held off va tech... which I think will win their division.

BC- tough out and could be ranked.
Ga Tech- could be pjs best team yet
Wake- up there and they’re disciplined and the O is coming on. Not shocked if they’re ranked
Duke- scares me. Well coached
Scar- don’t be shocked if they come in close to a top 10 rating. Not saying they deserve it but imo might come in 10-1, 9-2 at worst.

What bammy has cooking, I’d give them the best chance to be undefeated.

Oklahoma and osu will find a way to lose one. Psu stunk it up against app st so defense is suspect but O will keep them in games. Think they’ll beat osu.

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Re: What are the chances of FOUR undefeated teams?? TLDR


Sep 7, 2018, 11:32 AM

I like the math too!

Also, all totally fair and valid points.

I agree with Clemson's schedule being more difficult than what it seems on the surface.

While we don't have the one or two top-10 or top-15 match ups like other top teams may have, we don't have any total stinkers on our schedule either.

Most of the teams we'll play will be top-50 to top-25 type teams; which, in a way is a more difficult route than playing a bunch of crappy teams with only a couple quality teams. It means that, week-in-and-week-out, you can't sleep walk or take a week off. You have to sustain a higher level of play every week. With it being hard to maintain a high level of play each week, that invites a potential slip-up.

So, we'll see how the teams on our schedule shape up as the season progresses, but Clemson's march towards an undefeated season certainly won't be a cake walk...

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Re: What are the chances of FOUR undefeated teams?? TLDR


Sep 7, 2018, 12:00 PM

Very well said. Good discussion for gameday eve. And we’ll see just how easy everyone else schedules may or may not be. UGA really should prove to be an easier schedule than the others. Who knows, aTm might end up a top 10 team.

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Sep 7, 2018, 12:47 PM

see more than two, or maybe NO undefeated teams. We have as good a shot as anyone in the country at running the table, providing we get past the Fighting Jimbos Saturday.

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Re: What are the chances of FOUR undefeated teams?? TLDR


Sep 7, 2018, 1:03 PM

I am ducking the question, but i am countering with a contrarian observation in the same line of thought:

Instead of opening up the possibilities for more teams to win a national title, the CFP has reduced drastically the pool of teams that can win a natty. By forcing teams to run a gauntlet schedule of winner-moves-on, we have established a separate pool for the elite programs that can consistently play and win at a high level.

Unlike previous methods of choosing a championship, Miami (for example) last year had no shot at the national championship. No amount of luck or skill was going to give them the talent, coaching, depth or temperament to beat 2 other top teams, even if they had gotten past Clemson. But when champions were chosen instead of proven, Richt's guys would have been a top nominee.

That's what makes it even funnier when players who have never played for a chip talk about having the talent on their team to win one. They don't know that it takes more than talent, and it takes more than one big win. So if Baby Bentley's chickens knock off the Dawgs tomorrow, you know they and their fans will be squawking about getting into the CFP. In the end, you can squawk all you want, but a CFP chip takes at least 13 wins, and the last 3 are win-or-go-home against teams at least as tough as Saturday's opponent.

So i agree with you, OP. As the elite teams separate themselves more, i think the possibility of two unbeaten teams meeting in the CFP Title game increases rather than decreases.

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Re: What are the chances of FOUR undefeated teams?? TLDR


Sep 7, 2018, 1:41 PM

Thanks for the interesting and thoughtful response!

Yeah, I tend to agree with your line of thinking. Obviously, adding more games to the schedule, specifically in a playoff format, will lead to a "thinning out" of the competition by season's end.

Which, is why I like the playoff format. While it's not perfect, at the very least it functions to give us - in theory - the "true" champion at the end of the year. Because, if you can go through the regular season winning at the least 12 games and then beating two "playoff caliber" teams, you have certainly proved or earned the right to be called National Champion.

Now - not to turn this into a discussion of the playoff format - I will say that I wish there was a better way to give the "Cinderella" teams a chance at proving their worth. UCF playing in the playoff last year would have been, at the very least, very entertaining and intriguing. I know the ultimate goal is the prove the best and most deserving team, but I feel like there should always be a chance for the underdog or the outlier to make it, because that makes CFB so great overall.

You're right though, the playoff format, as it stands, definitely increases the chances of undefeated teams making the championship by how it filters out the pretenders.

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Sep 7, 2018, 6:52 PM

I imagine we all like the "Cinderella" story, but what would it take for a South Carolina (just to prove how hypothetical this conversation is) or TCU to get their shot at the CFP, or for UCF to get taken seriously?

A Power 5 team has to virtually run the table and then dethrone the elite conference representative, or they don't receive a CFP bid.
Last year Wisconsin successfully performed Part A but not Part B. They got left out.
Auburn performed Part B but not A. They got left out.
The Pac-12 champ does neither and always gets left out.

A Group of 5 school has to have a special set of circumstances occur just to receive initial credibility. Under the BCS format, both Boise St and Hawaii were invited to BCS bowls after having performed at a high level for multiple seasons. That is an unreasonable expectation in an era when the maturity level of top players and coaches must coincide, yet successful coaches like Scott Frost are subject to bring wooed away. Will UCF be more or less CFP-worthy this year? Probably less, but they could still become a candidate based on last year's success. But one injury could wreck it all for them.

And other than the initial CFP when everyone was a first-timer, NO team has ever won the CFP their first try.

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Re: What are the chances of FOUR undefeated teams?? TLDR


Sep 7, 2018, 6:54 PM

So i guess my point is, Cinderella is dead.

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Re: What are the chances of FOUR undefeated teams?? TLDR


Sep 7, 2018, 2:53 PM

Congrats to you posters for your solid comments. Alabama and Ohio State have been long-time contenders for the national championship. Oklahoma was a force in the past, went through a down period and are back to an elite status. Clemson is the late one to the dance but have shown that we belong.

We look at a schedule and attempt to determine how we or any other team will fare. There is one factor we usually fail to mention and that is the desire of a lower ranked team to defeat a highly ranked team. Rest assured Clemson, Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Notre Dame and any other highly ranked teams will get the best shot of every opponent on their schedule. In our "not so glorious years" we Tiger fans had certain games marked and it wasn't Wake Forest or Virginia. It is no secret that an elite program has to play with a vengeance each week if they hope to remain elite. An undefeated season is not out of the realm of possibilities but history shows us very few teams can make that claim of fame.

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Sep 7, 2018, 3:52 PM

you are even bothering with this post .....

@ dumba$$DEZ

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Re: What are the chances of FOUR undefeated teams?? TLDR


Sep 7, 2018, 6:21 PM

Dabo was given a Gimmee...He had no idea he would have 3-4 NFL linemen that would pass up +$1,000,000.00 to come back and play College football. If he and the rest of the coaches cannot pull a rabbit out of this hat, they should wander off and buy a yacht and sail the ocean,'cause they would not be coaches.

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Re: What are the chances of FOUR undefeated teams?? TLDR


Sep 7, 2018, 8:42 PM

Interesting idea, won't happen, but fun to consider.

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