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Texas gunman's mother speaks. Usually, I have sympathy for
May 27, 2022, 11:57 AM
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a family member that played no part in what their relative did. However, this woman's comments are bizarre.
"Please forgive me, forgive my son. I don't know what he was thinking but he had his reasons for doing what he did."
Reporter: What reasons would he have for killing 21 people?
Mother: "I don't know, but he must have had his reasons. Please forgive me and forgive my son."
What the Hell? No wonder his poor grandmother was raising him, and according to reports, did everything for him, including picking him up from late work shifts. He shot her in the face.
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Re: Texas gunman's mother speaks. Usually, I have sympathy for
May 27, 2022, 12:22 PM
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The Libs will tell you the gun shot her. Not the "troubled" kid.
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Re: Texas gunman's mother speaks. Usually, I have sympathy for
May 27, 2022, 12:29 PM
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Yep, "societal issue" or "systemic issue", not "mental issue"...
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Re: Texas gunman's mother speaks. Usually, I have sympathy for
May 27, 2022, 12:55 PM
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Kids, period, should not own or have access to assault rifles on their own. They are just too maladjusted in today's social media-driven 'feels' culture. Up the purchase age to 21 at a minimum. Supervised is a different story.
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Orange Blooded [2992]
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Re: Texas gunman's mother speaks. Usually, I have sympathy for
May 27, 2022, 1:10 PM
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While I don't agree with assessment totally I agree that assault rifles should be limited to 21+yr olds. I was raised with guns, I shot my first rabbit at 3.5yrs old. I have been surrounded by guns my entire life. My father was on the Army Olympic Shooting Team, so I was always at the range but we got stationed in AK and we shot most of our meat.
That said, gun safety was 100% first in all our outings and gun cleaning was second on our daily use. 4+yrs old, my dad would task me with cleaning the gun to educate me and make me appreciate it as a tool that can be passed through generations. Today I have guns from both grandfathers, my father, and one of my best friend's father.
Guns don't kill people, obviously it's the sicko behind the gun. But I agree that we need to increase age of purchasing person. Also, I think young new owners need to go through a 20-40hr training class to be able to purchase a gun. This is because most people don't have a father that taught them gun safety.
And these kids playing shooter video games at age of 10-19, it distorts their brain as to how easy it is to shoot and kill. I really think video games are hurting our youth.
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Re: Texas gunman's mother speaks. Usually, I have sympathy for
May 27, 2022, 5:52 PM
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I repectfully disagree with raising the age to purchase. As a judge in California (of all places) recently said, when he overturned the California Law that required individuals to be 21 to buy AR15s, an 18 year old can vote, can go to war and there was no age limit when the 2nd amendment was written. He went onto say many who fought in the Revolutionary War for our independence were even younger than 18 years old.
Go ahead and talk about different times, blah, blah, blah, but the 2nd Amendment is still a valid part of the Constitution of the United States of America. It should never be considered for removal or changed.
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Orange Beast [6511]
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Re: Texas gunman's mother speaks. Usually, I have sympathy for
May 27, 2022, 6:01 PM
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Amendments should never be removed or changed? We've been through literally hundreds of years of change and progress. Laws have to be changed and added all the time to adjust for the times.
Why is it easier to buy a gun than a beer for 3 years (ages 18-20) of your life?
My opinion - don't outlaw guns. But background checks need to be mandatory, there needs to be a waiting period, and there needs to be a much more stringent mental health validation process as part of the background check.
The age thing is a gray area for me - I could make an argument either way. Perhaps the answer there is to restrict the type and caliber that can be purchased until a certain age, and limit the number of weapons one can own until a certain age.
I also think there should be mandatory gun safety/training courses for anyone to be licensed, perhaps with an option to "test out". The cost would need to be covered by the applicant.
We require training and testing for driver's licenses...why not guns?
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Orange Blooded [2992]
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Re: Texas gunman's mother speaks. Usually, I have sympathy for
May 27, 2022, 6:10 PM
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I dont think 18yr old gamers with zero knowledge of guns should be able to buy a gun same day. Lots of these mass shootings have been kids under 21. We need to stop their purchases. But we also need safety training before purchase, this will stop kids from horrible thoughts!
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Re: Texas gunman's mother speaks. Usually, I have sympathy for
May 27, 2022, 7:17 PM
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I agree with you. A lot of young people don’t really know what a powerful weapon will do. These are not BB or pellet guns. There needs to be some type of education before purchasing a weapon. Just like someone needs Drivers Ed and new hunters need the Hunter Safety Course and, you need to take a CWP course to legally carry. All of these are a must in SC. And, they’re ALL educational. We can actually learn something from these courses. And I’m going to write this and likely get blown up for it,,,, WE MUST MONITOR OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS WHO ARE EXPERIENCING MENTAL ISSUES!!!!!!!!
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Orange Blooded [2992]
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Re: Texas gunman's mother speaks. Usually, I have sympathy for
May 28, 2022, 1:03 AM
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I will scream from the Mtn tops that you can't take my gun rights away, but I also realize that we need some type of restrictions. I think a long term class will reduce the compulsive buyers, but also allow an opportunity to check the persons mental health.
You won't take my guns, but I also have the CWP and would take any course requirements to maintain my use and ownership of guns. That would weed out a lot of young owners. If cops pressed ownership laws.
But look at most shooters, they already have felons which mean gin ownership is against the law. That just shows that criminals will get weapons that are greater than their adversary. If not a gun, then will be a big knife!
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Re: Texas gunman's mother speaks. Usually, I have sympathy for
May 29, 2022, 9:40 AM
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No, it won’t stop anything. Sociopaths can go through training and not be changed at all. That’s a great idea on paper, but it won’t work. The problem is, libs took God out of the schools and that’s a fact. I don’t care what anyone believes about God, but taking Him out of schools changed everything
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Re: Texas gunman's mother speaks. Usually, I have sympathy for
May 27, 2022, 7:45 PM
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because they're intensively trained by instructors in a heavily regulated environment, and never see their weapons outside of training or actual field use in combat?
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Re: Texas gunman's mother speaks. Usually, I have sympathy for
May 28, 2022, 12:14 AM
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Call of Duty is wildly popular around the globe - UK, China, Japan, you name it. So, video games are not the reason. Mental illness affects approx 15-17% of any given population around the world. So, that's not it either. Girls aren't doing this crap either. So what is it about the US male teens that causes them to lash out and slaughter people with AR-15's?
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Dynasty Maker [3507]
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I don't think a Call of Duty type game is a problem
May 30, 2022, 10:12 AM
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You have a specific game narrative that you have to follow to advance.
I blame games that are open worlds. GTA is one example, there are many others. Free reign to do anything you want.
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Re: Well… then what kind of gun should they be allowed to have?***
May 27, 2022, 1:59 PM
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They can start with a single shot .22 rifle or single shot 4-10 just like I did under the age of 18. I only shot higher calibers under the supervision of adults.
Gun use and safety can be taught at all ages but being able to purchase an assault rifle or semi-auto weapons should require an age limit and I think an educational course is worthy of ownership. If people don't want an education then they dont need a gun.
And I am all about the 2nd amendment, and I have probably 30 guns, but a 19yr old basement gamer that never shot a gun shouldn't be able to buy one legally same day without education course. This would reduce ownership to people that have fleeting wants of mass shootings.
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Re: Well… then what kind of gun should they be allowed to have?***
May 27, 2022, 3:44 PM
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I believe in the Second Amendment, but I am not a gun guru. I agree. I think they should also monitor their social media accounts as well. If they have some crazy crap about wanting to cause harm to the innocent before buying a gun, that should be an automatic Out.
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Re: Well… then what kind of gun should they be allowed to have?***
May 27, 2022, 3:46 PM
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Not saying that’s what the criminal did beforehand (in the Texas school shooting), but most of the time it seems as if these lunatics have a trail of violent statements and captions on social media.
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Re: Well… then what kind of gun should they be allowed to have?***
May 27, 2022, 5:31 PM
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I think great parents should monitor their children's SM, I don't think that is the govt job.
I think the biggest failure in society is parenting. Even patents that are involved are using the kids relationship as a friendship and not a parent/child relationship. I think parents think they are great friends with kids but they need to be a mentor and enforcer. When kids get older, they can throw away friendships but they will respect a parent that actually corrected them.
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Re: Well… then what kind of gun should they be allowed to have?***
May 27, 2022, 7:04 PM
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Both the school and the grocery store shooters talked about it on social media. I find it NOT so funny that the social media sites have algorithms to identify violent and threatening posts. They also have algorithms to detect statements by conservative free speech to have them banned and those seem to be working just fine. So why aren't the algorithms for threats and violence by these 18 year olds working? I don't know, but maybe social media is looking too hard for conservatives and not paying attention to potential shooters.
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Orange Beast [6511]
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Re: Texas gunman's mother speaks. Usually, I have sympathy for
May 27, 2022, 3:36 PM
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Semantics. He had an AR-15, a weapon commonly used in deadly (often mass) assaults.
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Orange Blooded [2723]
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Re: Texas gunman's mother speaks. Usually, I have sympathy for
May 27, 2022, 5:22 PM
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No, it’s not. An AR15 doesn’t even operate the same as an assault weapon.
And no, AR15s are not common in mass shootings. Handguns account for an overwhelming majority. That is a false liberal talking point that has been debunked over and over.
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Re: Texas gunman's mother speaks. Usually, I have sympathy for
May 27, 2022, 5:27 PM
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Thank you
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Orange Beast [6511]
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Re: Texas gunman's mother speaks. Usually, I have sympathy for
May 27, 2022, 9:32 PM
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“An 18-year-old gunman killed 19 children and two teachers Tuesday at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas. In Buffalo, New York, 10 people were killed May 14 when an 18-year-old gunman opened fire in a supermarket. Both gunmen were using AR-15-style assault rifles.”
The last two mass killings. Yes, AR-15s are absolutely common in these events. I’m not saying “most” common, and I’m not saying they are the cause. But they are glorified weapons and kids - f-ing kids - are using them.
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You may not realize the only difference
May 28, 2022, 11:43 AM
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between an AR and a semi-auto hunting rifle is that a hunting rifle does more damage. He could have used another weapon and still done what he did. I don’t disagree, as a 2nd amendment supporter, for the most part that an 18 year old armed with multiple 30 round mags walking freely into a packed Elementary school should be a thing, but this tragedy goes far beyond the style of weapon he used to do it.
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Re: Texas gunman's mother speaks. Usually, I have sympathy for
May 27, 2022, 2:09 PM
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Actually, what happened was a troubled kid with a gun shot those kids. If you are going to shoot up a bunch of people it pretty much takes both. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Guns just make it really easy....Jack Reacher.
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Re: Texas gunman's mother speaks. Usually, I have sympathy for
May 27, 2022, 2:34 PM
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Put a kid in a required mandated course to teach gun safety before they can purchase. Most are to lazy and too broke to pay for it therefore mo gun purchase happens. I am not willing to give up my gun rights, but I am willing to make make it more difficult to purchase especially as a youth.
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Re: Texas gunman's mother speaks. Usually, I have sympathy for
May 25, 2017, 10:10 PM
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The "kid" is/was a psychopath. The gun is a tool. While it may be a mental "disorder" it is not a mental illness. In 10 years in a community mental health center, I never saw one in treatment. Sociopaths on the other hand can be quite charming and convincing that they are not mentally ill. And how do we propose that they be identified and compelled into treatment? Mass killing is their primary symptom.
The gun is a tool that he purchased on his 18th birthday. It maimed and destroyed many of those children beyond recognition. Those dead and disfigured children lay in place overnight before their parents were allowed to identify them.
However you choose to split hairs on the type of weapon, these weapons of war should be banned. Btw, all of the Amendments are subject to regulation. See libel, slander etc.
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Re: Texas gunman's mother speaks. Usually, I have sympathy for
May 27, 2022, 12:55 PM
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Multiple reports on this animal and his background and family history say that this “mother” has had severe addiction issues. She and the murderer had a volatile relationship, with neighbors often calling the police on them for disturbances. She’s just as responsible as her son for this massacre. These parents of these shooters should be held responsible to some extent, for the children they raise, or fail to raise, to prepare them for society.
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Heard, not confirmed, that shooter at age 14 had a juvenile record..
May 27, 2022, 1:02 PM
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that included thoughts & verbal rants of wanting to shoot up a school..but at age18 these records were erased or hidden from authorities.
Saying..whether true or not this kid was troubled.
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Re: Texas gunman's mother speaks. Usually, I have sympathy for
May 27, 2022, 1:06 PM
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Respectfully but strongly disagree. We need to stop providing excuses for bad behavior. No one is responsible for the actions of any individual except that individual. I am personally responsible for every action I take. No one else. Not my parents, not my teachers, not society. Just me. Same for this person.
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National Champion [7496]
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Re: Texas gunman's mother speaks. Usually, I have sympathy for
May 27, 2022, 2:11 PM
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The child is a product of his/her environment. Yes, he is responsible for his own behavior, but you cannot tell me that living in an abusive, neglectful, drug-infested, broken home did not affect this kid?
Also, the Buffalo shooter. He was living under his parents’ roof. They had no idea what was going on with him, on his computer/phone, what he was buying, becoming a racist hate-monger? I have a teenager and a college-aged kid. I’m all up in their business, asking what’s going on in their lives, how they’re feeling. Parents shape and mold these humans, for better or worse.
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Re: Texas gunman's mother speaks. Usually, I have sympathy for
May 27, 2022, 2:49 PM
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I agree a better home life might have given this kid a better chance. But the child also has a free will and mind of his own. Lots of very decent people come from bad homes. Sometimes we learn what not to do from others as well as learning what to do. We also have 2 kids and sounds like we raised them similar to how you are raising yours. Both of ours are now responsible, productive adults with children of their own.
But I still don’t accept a poor upbringing as an excuse to kill others. His parents are responsible for their behavior, including how they raised their kids, but they are not responsible for the deaths of these children. The person who pulled the trigger holds all the responsibility for that. No one else. We need to stop allowing them excuses.
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Re: Texas gunman's mother speaks. Usually, I have sympathy for
May 27, 2022, 3:31 PM
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Too many "parents" are nothing more than basic needs caretakers. They don't have either common intelligence or mental strength to raise a child with morals and respect for people. As long as the kid doesn't interfere with their normal routine, everything appears to be working just fine for them. Likely it was the approach their parents took as well.
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Re: Texas gunman's mother speaks. Usually, I have sympathy for
May 27, 2022, 5:39 PM
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It's called parenting! Too many people think video games, TV, and social media are best way to keep kids quiet! Therefore parents dont know what kids are even doing!
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He did have reasons - evil, psychopathic reasons.
May 27, 2022, 12:59 PM
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I assume that's what his mother meant, and not that he had good reasons.
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When parents and schools would spank the kids...
May 27, 2022, 1:24 PM
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the kids grew up knowing repercussions hurt. When we started this soft punishment stuff (sit in corner, no spanking, no eating soap, no punishment for disrespect, and letting video games entertainment instead of interacting), this has lead to kids that don't respect society, kids that don't care about repercussions, kids that feel left out as they are not required to have chores and responsibilities.
Our society is what is causing this. Kids need discipline, period! Today, a kids discipline is to take their phone away, so what! They use a computer or go to friends and use it anyway.
Many won't agree, but I got smacked around when I was young and kids today need to be stronger disciplined or this is going to continue. I would let a principal paddle my kid if I had any, and they might get another when they got home, just like I did and all my friends in school. Guess what, they are not mass murderers and most of us have AR 15's, and I have over 1000rnds of ammo.
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Re: When parents and schools would spank the kids...
May 27, 2022, 1:28 PM
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Yep. And I will say I probably deserved all of those spankings and paddlings. These days there is always some excuse for bad behavior. We really need to bring back personal responsibility.
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Re: When parents and schools would spank the kids...
May 27, 2022, 2:29 PM
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Yes, and I don't hate my parents or my teachers or my principals for whacking my backside. The next time I thought about a spitball or something stupid, i remembered that paddling sucked. Sitting in corner or timeout doesn't have the same pain.
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Re: When parents and schools would spank the kids...
May 27, 2022, 4:14 PM
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At my Jr High School, Mr Champion (the principal) & Mr Corriher (7th grade math) both had canoe paddles with the handle sawed short, enough handle to grip with 2 hands. The paddle was duct taped at the oar end to keep it together and also drilled at the oar end to make it aerodynamic. Mr Corriher was about 6’5”, 280, college basketball power forward, he never got a hold of me, but Mr Champion did……holy moly…..it just takes one of those experiences.
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Re: When parents and schools would spank the kids...
May 27, 2022, 6:02 PM
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And it hurt! Right! You didn't do the same thing again.
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none of my schools ever spanking anyone
May 27, 2022, 4:30 PM
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but I'm only 60 years old. I know several people that never got spanked and never killed anyone. Others were beaten constantly when they were children and ended up violent.
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Re: When parents and schools would spank the kids...
May 29, 2022, 6:20 AM
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Mass shootings are much more common now than they were, just going back to the 1950’s. What do you think is the greatest common denominator for this change since then?
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Re: When parents and schools would spank the kids...
May 30, 2022, 10:41 AM
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"What do you think is the greatest common denominator for this change since then?"
Many people stopped getting mental health care when it got defunded in the 1980's. That's exactly when the mass shootings started.
Another change was the rise in use of semi-auto handguns and rifles. Prior to the 80's most people only had access to revolvers, bolt-action rifles, and pump shotguns. It's harder to kill many people when you have to reload after 6 shots.
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Re: Texas gunman's mother speaks. Usually, I have sympathy for
May 27, 2022, 1:38 PM
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I mean she comes from a different background and culture. She didn’t make a excuse and she is asking for forgiveness. I don’t think she meant any harm by it. She is probably in a state of shock.
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Oculus Spirit [41658]
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you have to forgive the kid
May 27, 2022, 4:28 PM
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or it will eat you alive. Forgivness isn't for the other person, it's for you.
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Orange Beast [6511]
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Re: you have to forgive the kid
May 27, 2022, 4:33 PM
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That's ridiculous.
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Orange Elite [5125]
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Re: Texas gunman's mother speaks. Usually, I have sympathy for
May 27, 2022, 5:55 PM
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#### her and #### her murdering kid.
If there is any justice in this world, that ####### is rotting in hell right now.
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Clemson Icon [27619]
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Re: Texas gunman's mother speaks. Usually, I have sympathy for
May 27, 2022, 7:24 PM
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Don’t worry. The Donald is addressing the NRA this weekend. A sure way to get him re-elected. What a pitiful country America has become. Shooting grammar school children with an assault rifle and 200 rounds of ammo which NO ONE should be allowed to purchase!
Ain’t America great!
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110%er [3631]
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Re: Texas gunman's mother speaks. Usually, I have sympathy for
May 27, 2022, 7:35 PM
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Can't blame DJT for our slide toward third-world status.
That distinction belongs to the Federal LEOs that compromised their integrity to get rid of him. The fact that people now trust their local LEOs more than the Feds bear that out.
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TigerNet Champion [117872]
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Re: Texas gunman's mother speaks. Usually, I have sympathy for
May 28, 2022, 2:16 AM
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put yourself in her shoes before you judge, she lost her son, she is in shock, she has not had time to process this, she wants to believe what she is saying, it is called denial.
Oh, Those of you making this political have small penises.
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Heisman Winner [78360]
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?? ??
May 28, 2022, 11:46 AM
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Boom.
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Guns
May 28, 2022, 3:50 PM
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Shameful that the USA leads the world in gun deaths this year. Guns kill people--when is the last gun death you have seen in Japan for example. Canada a very low total. As long as we think you have a right to a gun. (NOTE: Republicans in the supreme court changed the concept only in the early 2000's) that is what we get. Currently I am visiting in the UK--they think we are just NUTS and are no longer the moral leader of the world. SHAME ON US!!!
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Paw Warrior [4766]
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Re: Guns
May 29, 2022, 7:48 AM
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I'm thinking that based on your post you would be much happier by continuing to travel/live outside the United States.....
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Commissioner [1285]
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May 30, 2022, 10:45 AM
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Nothing wrong with seeing we have a problem and trying to fix it. That's patriotism.
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Paw Warrior [4766]
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Re: Texas gunman's mother speaks. Usually, I have sympathy for
May 29, 2022, 7:42 AM
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Not sure what happened to this kid when he was growing up but if you could just randomly kill 18 little kids then something is really, really messed up with your thought process.
To answer questions in her manner this mother obviously played a key role in this kids's complete malfunction.
BTW, I would hope that any future continued employment by members of the Uvalde PD be in severe jeopardy as many of the those deaths were likely due to their indecision/cowardliness fiasco.
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Paw Master [17152]
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Re: Texas gunman's mother speaks. Usually, I have sympathy for
Sep 25, 2017, 6:58 PM
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This is a tragic idiotic statement made by a cold blooded murders mother. In God Name what reason could he have had for killing innocent people. Especially innocent children. I consider this kid a coward and his mother an uncaring cancer in our society.
I hope that they convict and put the mother in prison because she IMO is an accomplice to the cold blooded murders committed by her son. There are no good reasons for his actions. There are no reasons for what he did.
Praying for all of the families associated with this school and / or lost loved one’s. Praying for our country.
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All-American [557]
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Re: Texas gunman's mother speaks. Usually, I have sympathy for
May 30, 2022, 11:01 AM
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Only mention of excuses by a drug culture "mother" and not a word if there was a father. Appsrently
she couldnt or would not handle the situation except to pass it along to a grandmother. Some cultures
this is commonplace- So Sad!
As far as the weapon goes,if there was more trust in our "government" to protect us and not threaten
us then we might see changed attitudes on the subject.
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