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We can beat FSU but we have serious issues.
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Sep 16, 2023, 11:33 PM
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The offensive line isn't good. Our RBs are not explosive. Our QB continues to follow up a spectacular play with a bone-head plays.
To be completely honest, I would go with Helms if I were Dabo. He is consistent and may not pose a running threat but he makes good decisions with consistency.
The interior DL hasn't made any noise.
The bright spots are Barnes and Parker - wow, they are amazing.
FSU is going to be a war.
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Re: We can beat FSU but we have serious issues.
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Sep 16, 2023, 11:34 PM
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Thank the lord you’re not Dabo
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Helms plays better....
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Sep 16, 2023, 11:36 PM
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sorry, just how I see it.
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Re: Helms plays better....
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Sep 17, 2023, 12:14 AM
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He has looked good in garbage time yes. Who knows what he would do when the game mattered. Cade is our guy tho and rightfully so.
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Maybe you're right.
Sep 17, 2023, 12:25 AM
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You could also argue that Helms is playing with an inferior cast around him.
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Re: Helms plays better....
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Sep 17, 2023, 9:11 AM
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I don’t understand how everyone can be on the Cade train. He hasn’t done not one impressive thing other than run down the people returning his interceptions and fumbles. I’ve seen one deep ball every game. Which means the coaches have no confidence in his down field ability. All he does is short throws. I see now that their was no real advantage with Cade over DJ
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He started his third game last night. Cade would
Sep 17, 2023, 9:28 AM
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look a little better with Tee and Mike at wide receiver and ET st running back.
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Re: We can beat FSU but we have serious issues.
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Sep 16, 2023, 11:35 PM
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From what I read tonite, Kade needs to be more konsistent
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Re: We can beat FSU but we have serious issues.
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Sep 16, 2023, 11:37 PM
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I kame with the same konklusion. Kade kant do anything korrectly.
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Re: We can beat FSU but we have serious issues.
Sep 17, 2023, 8:44 AM
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I kame with the same konklusion. Kade kant do anything korrectly.
This is great
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Re: We can beat FSU but we have serious issues.
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Sep 16, 2023, 11:36 PM
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You forgot poor tackling and a bad kicking game.
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Gunn was awful.
Sep 16, 2023, 11:37 PM
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Tackling improved as the same went on.
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Very***
Sep 17, 2023, 8:42 AM
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Re: We can beat FSU but we have serious issues.
Sep 16, 2023, 11:37 PM
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Go with the second string qb, who can't run? Don't quit your day job.
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He is a better QB minus the running.
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Sep 16, 2023, 11:38 PM
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Am I wrong about that?
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Evidently, a non-running QB isnt an option for our offense.
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Sep 16, 2023, 11:43 PM
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Even if he’s a better passer and more confident pocket presence.
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Helms is the better pure passing QB
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Sep 16, 2023, 11:44 PM
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Cade throwing ducks gets unnoticed by the same crowd who blasted DJ for the same thing. Yeah, its the South so I get it.
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Re: Helms is the better pure passing QB
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Sep 16, 2023, 11:55 PM
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So you gonna play that card… guess you’re woke
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Re: Helms is the better pure passing QB
Sep 16, 2023, 11:58 PM
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I wanted to ask what “it’s the South, so I get it,” was all about, so I’ll do that now. What was meant by that?
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Number one, why bring politics into it?
Sep 17, 2023, 12:08 AM
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Number two, try and actually make a point. Yeah, I know it takes thought and thinking but know you can do it.
I know being a pawn for the rich might make you jaded but read, educate yourself, maybe someday you'll realize your life is worth more that you think it is.
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Just an observation.
Sep 17, 2023, 12:11 AM
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I am sure I could be wrong.
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Re: Just an observation.
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Sep 17, 2023, 12:32 AM
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Yeah, that has nothing to do with it bud. It’s sad it’s 2023 and THAT is where some people’s minds go. Do you not remember Stoudt?Clemson has been spoiled at the QB position. ANY drop in play there will be scrutinized, even if it isn’t fully warranted. I hear just as many saying Klubnik ain’t it so I have no idea what you’re alluding to…but people see things through their own blinders…
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Re: Helms is the better pure passing QB
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Sep 17, 2023, 1:35 AM
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Come on now. Are you really comparing DJ not being able to hit the side of a barn to Cade? This has nothing to do with race. I would be happy to put together a montage of DJ’s horrific throws over the last couple of years. Note: if DW is sitting in the stable, I am starting him over Cade. Tahj too.
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Re: Helms is the better pure passing QB
Sep 17, 2023, 8:38 AM
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Did you see DJs stats yesterday? He's back to his old self again.
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Re: We can beat FSU but we have serious issues.
Sep 16, 2023, 11:37 PM
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Also don’t stop playing in the 2nd half.
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Sep 16, 2023, 11:38 PM
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The offensive line isn't good. Our RBs are not explosive. Our QB continues to follow up a spectacular play with a bone-head plays.
To be completely honest I would go with Helms if I were Dabo. He is consistent and may not pose a running threat but we makes great decisions with consistency.
The interior DL hasn't made any noise.
The bright spots are Barnes and Parker - wow, they are amazing.
FSU is going to be a war.
Thanks for the input coach
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Nice pulse.***
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Sep 16, 2023, 11:39 PM
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Re: We can beat FSU but we have serious issues.
Sep 16, 2023, 11:41 PM
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We're going to need QB mobility next Saturday. I don't think Helms has that.
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Yeah but I doubt he throws a pick six.
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Sep 16, 2023, 11:42 PM
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I don't trust Cade.....yet. He is getting better. The OL is not.
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Re: Yeah but I doubt he throws a pick six.
Sep 17, 2023, 12:08 AM
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The oline play has not been good. There is pressure on what seems like every pass play even the successful plays.
Hoping for better play out of this group next week.
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Re: We can beat FSU but we have serious issues.
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Sep 16, 2023, 11:44 PM
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I know pbt, you'll get crucified for posts like this. But it's going to be a lot like last year. I can see now why we're calling the plays we have been through 3 games and not utilizing the middle of the field.
Thank goodness Williams tipped Cades throw and Randall happened to catch it. Against a p5 defense, that isn't a tip, it's a int.
Thanks for the pi to the one to Cole too. Bad throw. But then a beautiful throw and catch on the first TD to brown.
And you're right, thought I oline may have made progress this year but it hasn't.
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Sep 16, 2023, 11:46 PM
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That pass is going straight to Randall if Williams doesn’t tip it. Williams got too deep on his route and bled into Randall’s route. If anything, if Williams didn’t tip it, Randall probably gains another 5-10 yards.
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Re: We can beat FSU but we have serious issues.
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Sep 16, 2023, 11:49 PM
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I'll have to go back and watch but it was thrown behind Randall.
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Sep 16, 2023, 11:59 PM
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I think it looks that way from one of the angles they showed on replay but the way I viewed it originally, Williams was too deep on his route and ran right into Randalls. If Williams doesn’t tip it, Randall is catching it in stride.
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The OL is weak
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Sep 16, 2023, 11:51 PM
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can't get 1 yard of a push on two plays against FA.
We keep recruiting at a high level on OL but see no results. Either we are 1. Not evaluating OL well enough or 2. Not developing the OL.
Both are coaching.
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Re: The OL is weak
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Sep 16, 2023, 11:54 PM
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Its been several different OL coaches and this OL issue has been at Clemson since the Tommy Bowden era. One common denominator is actually the S&C program. I will due on that hill, S&C at Clemson is behind the other big boys in football.
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I agree, I saw a Vlog once
Sep 17, 2023, 12:01 AM
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and the OL was being made fun of in it about being soft with the weight training. This mental note I can't forget. I remember Linthicum being in the video was a freshman looking like a dough boy holding his helmet and thinking, oh no.
This is a tuffiness issue with the OL. I think we need a new coach.
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The resident dumbo gives another hot take.
Sep 17, 2023, 12:07 AM
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Swing an’ a miss.
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You're the one sounding dumb...
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Sep 17, 2023, 12:19 AM
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without any shred of an argument to support your point, yet you attack blindedly.
When I think about it you're pretty dumb, I bet. I mean reading this response. Honestly, I bet you know it too. You know you aren't an educated person. You haven't really traveled or have much culture. You don't know much about the world outside your bubble.
I am sad for you as I am pretty sure that you're too old to really make any real life changes to make your miserable existence any better or yourself any more intelligent.
Good luck to you though.
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Yep. And sadly, we can do this for multiple position groups on our team.***
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Sep 17, 2023, 12:18 AM
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Re: We can beat FSU but we have serious issues.
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Sep 16, 2023, 11:57 PM
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The ball would have hit Randall in stride if it weren’t for Williams hitting it. He was throwing to #8 on that play, not #0.
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Re: We can beat FSU but we have serious issues.
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Sep 16, 2023, 11:48 PM
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I respectfully disagree and think if you rewatch the game tomorrow you will see things a bit differently. The OL play was not as bad as youre thinking, some rbs missed holes and cutbacks. Cade looked really good in the 1st and in the second he had to bad plays(near ints) one of which the defender grabbed mafah and thats how he gained position. Wrs looked confused several times almost like they didnt know the play. Helms cant get the ball to the target as fast as Cade or bring the wheels, so i dont see how he gives Clemson a better shot, Cade is the only viable QB for this year.
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Thanks SSN.
Sep 16, 2023, 11:55 PM
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I often have a different opinion after re-watching the game.
I will look at RB running but I am not impressed with our RB group to be honest. Ship is solid but not a game breaker.
I have watched both Helms and Cade since the spring game. I mentioned in a post after the spring game that I thought Helms was the better QB.
I still think Helms is better, just my opinion. I am no coach.
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Re: Thanks SSN.
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Sep 16, 2023, 11:59 PM
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To your point if the OL is BAD you only make that issue worse with a statue QB that cant rifle the ball into tight windows quickly. Helms has it above the shoulders but from what ive seen he lacks zip and cant extend plays. Thats a no no in an offense that needs the QB to force defenses to account for him.
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Thanks. Makes sense.
Sep 17, 2023, 12:02 AM
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Especially with the OL being weak.
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Sep 16, 2023, 11:59 PM
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Yeah, I don't think we switch qbs, but we'll know more after we play some p5 competition. I'm no coach, will re-watch, wish I had press box angle but this offense is clunky.
Like last year, D can give us a chance, as well as a 2 back, 2 te set and run plays. Lesser teams we'll win with the screens, qb runs, rpo etc but against any real good team, O will get shut down.
Hopefully brown gets more start time and at least give us a punchers chance of taking the top off. Briny hasn't shown me anything yet from what I expect from a te.
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Re: We can beat FSU but we have serious issues.
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Sep 17, 2023, 12:00 AM
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At least we have a good kicker. Oh, wait…
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Sep 17, 2023, 12:24 AM
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Yeah...at the end of the day we are not great at QB...and not good enough in all other areas to make up for it...we can beat anyone on any given day but we are above average to good on all otjwr days!!! It is what it is!!!
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Sep 17, 2023, 7:34 AM
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With all the issues you think we have how in the world do you think we can beat fsu.
I see a team getting better each week and definitely think we can beat fsu if we win the turnover margin.
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For sure we can beat FSU. But we need the OL to play better.***
Sep 17, 2023, 11:25 AM
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