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Paw Warrior [4693]
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Water is wet and
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Jan 27, 2025, 9:30 AM
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The CIA now admits the Wuhan Virus leaked from the lab. No??? Really??????
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paid for by Fauci and the US Govt.***
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Jan 27, 2025, 9:31 AM
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Good illustration of how gullible liberals are. Bats & Wet markets ... lol.***
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Jan 27, 2025, 9:32 AM
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Link?
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Jan 27, 2025, 9:51 AM
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All I see is they are saying that's most likely, but they have low confidence in that determination.
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They got a new director, and his boss told him to make up a press release and
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Jan 27, 2025, 10:32 AM
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say this. That's really it, nothing else has changed, other than the director, and the director's boss. There's low confidence and insufficient evidence for both guesses. And that's about how it will be forever.
I happen to agree with the new CIA guess though, if you put a gun to my head and told me to guess only one.
My reasoning:
1)the market was closed, AND the animals were sent home. If the market was the origin, as claimed, they would have quarantined every human being in the vicinity, and every animal in the market, and tested them all. That didn't happen.
2)No animal host has been found
3)Antibodies existed in European blood samples dating back to October
4)Wuhan - Pandemics don't start like this started in Wuhan. They don't just jump from an animal to a human and explode like covid did. There has to be a time for evolution to fine tune the virus. The pandemic started with a virus that was just a little too well-adapted to humans.
5)China's secrecy and lack of candor.
My best guess? An accidental lab leak of an imperfect virus. Probably around August of 2019, maybe a few months earlier. Likely a sick lab worker tipped China off very early, but the worker had already spread the virus.
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Paw Warrior [4693]
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Re: They got a new director, and his boss told him to make up a press release and
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Jan 27, 2025, 11:08 AM
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The assessment was completed during the Biden administration. All the new director did is declassify. He did not “”make up” anything. He basically says the American people deserve to see the assessment and we do deserve that!
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Yep, you correct. Amazing, ain't it***
Jan 27, 2025, 11:14 AM
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If I recall, the CIA never made a call one way or the other, originally.
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Jan 27, 2025, 11:23 AM
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We can't see the assessment without divulging assets and tactics. But they can pick a guess, one way, another or neither. No new facts or information have surfaced.
SO IF THEIR GUESS CHANGES, that's a choice based on a policy change, not a change in the facts.
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Re: If I recall, the CIA never made a call one way or the other, originally.
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Jan 27, 2025, 11:35 AM
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I’m just saying that what is being reported is that all the new director is doing is letting us see what was assessed.
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Tardawg is correct
Jan 27, 2025, 6:02 PM
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We can't see the assessment without divulging assets and tactics. But they can pick a guess, one way, another or neither. No new facts or information have surfaced.
SO IF THEIR GUESS CHANGES, that's a choice based on a policy change, not a change in the facts.
According to the NYT, the CIA's position was reached during the final days of the Biden presidency, under CIA director Burns. Burns did not release this to the public. John Ratcliffe, the new CIA chief released the conclusion of the CIA under Burns to the public.
The FBI under Christopher Wray and the DOE separately came to the same conclusion that a lab leak was the most likely source for COVID and released this conclusion months ago.
Despite the opinions of the FBI, CIA and the DOE, no one knows 100% for sure where COVID originated from, but one thing is for sure, it was total BS and potentially a CYA move for Fauci to attempt to discredit others of the possibility that COVID originated from the Wuhan lab.Even he now admits that it's possible this did not originate from a wet market.
Ratcliffe simply made public the conclusions of the CIA under his predecessor, albeit the CIA gave this a low confidence conclusion which means they could be wrong.
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They changed their guess. Or made one.
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Jan 27, 2025, 12:12 PM
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That's about it.
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So you think it was bats in a wet market vs. MRNA modification at Wuhan lab?
Jan 28, 2025, 2:41 AM
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Really?
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No new evidence, just a new Trump-appointed director
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Jan 27, 2025, 9:57 AM
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The new assessment came after John Ratcliffe was confirmed last week as CIA director in the President Trump's second administration.
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Re: Water is wet and
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Jan 27, 2025, 10:03 AM
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I think the lab leak is plausible…but the CIA didn’t admit anything new…basically the same thing the FBI said a few years ago. I know it is being presented/spun this way…but this is not some new smoking gun admission by the CIA.
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Even Jon Stewart concluded this over three years ago...
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Jan 27, 2025, 11:06 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GvDAzV_dtg
But... "lab leak" was intentionally branded "conspiracy" by the fact checkers and narrative media for a couple of years because the Corporate Media almost always accepts what comes out of Government bureaucrats as absolute truth.
Early on the bureaucrats in NIH (particularly Dr. Fauci) wanted to pigeon hole the "lab leak" as mindless conspiracy in order to keep people from looking too close into the NIH's funding of COVID gain of function research through Peter Daszak and his EcoHealth Alliance non-profit.
So Peter Daszak, who was up to his eyeballs in COVID gain of function research at Wuhan orchestrates a Lancet publicized memo to cast lab leak as conspiracy and does so with the approval of Fauci and numerous other go-along scientists. A couple months later, as it just happens by pure coincidence - Peter Daszak is designated as the US Rep for the WHO funded Lancet COVID-19 Origin Investigation team where they are dismissive of the "lab leak" origin. Nothing like having the murderer investigate their own murder....
Eventually the coverup, conflicts of interest, and illegal behavior start to unravel for Daszak to the point the HHS has now disbarred Daszak and EcoHealth Alliance from getting any more US funds for 5 years. Thanks to Biden, Fauci now has a "pre-emptive" pardon to protect him from his participation in the gain of function stuff but Peter Daszak sure as h.ell doesn't and needs to be held accountable:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/20/corrupt-british-zoologist-sanction-wuhan-experiments-covid/
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It's awesome how Colbert acts like Stewart is crazy - because he knows his
Jan 27, 2025, 1:21 PM
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viewers are DEEP in the echo chamber and their heads were going to explode with this "new" information.
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Re: It's awesome how Colbert acts like Stewart is crazy - because he knows his
Jan 27, 2025, 2:11 PM
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Jon Stewart's audience is similar to Bill Maher's. Pretty open to facts and change. They aren't cult members.
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Agreed. But Colbert's audience definitely is not.***
Jan 27, 2025, 2:14 PM
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There is water at the bottom of the ocean.
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Jan 27, 2025, 11:07 AM
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wait, wut?
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Re: Water is wet and
Jan 27, 2025, 11:17 AM
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It's not that they weren't admitting it. They were saying they didn't know for sure. Now they say they do. Big deal. It got out of a lab and infected people. What's the crazy story here? That can happen.
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Re: Water is wet and
Jan 27, 2025, 11:27 AM
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I should add that they think it's the lab, not that it is 100% known. Let's say it escaped the lab. What's so crazy about that that is how it started?
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Re: Water is wet and
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Jan 27, 2025, 11:38 AM
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One problem is his Fauci and others viciously denied that a lab leak was even possible. If we argue that it was too early to call it a lab leak then it must have been too early to deny the possibility.
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Re: Water is wet and
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Jan 27, 2025, 11:43 AM
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That's false though. Fauci said it was possible.
"I have a completely open mind about that, despite people saying that I don’t,” Fauci said, when asked on NBC’s “Meet the Press” about the theory that the virus may have leaked from a lab in China in 2019.
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Re: Water is wet and
Jan 27, 2025, 11:45 AM
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Seems he was all over the place from what I remember. But aside from all of that it just seems like it’s not a giant leap for common sense to point to the lab.
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Re: Water is wet and
Jan 27, 2025, 11:46 AM
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Not at all. The lab was always possible that the virus escaped. They just didn't know.
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Re: Water is wet and
Jan 27, 2025, 12:36 PM
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If you go back to the first senate hearing you can watch an exchange between Rand Paul and Fauci. Fauci most definitely denied the leak.
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Re: Water is wet and
Jan 27, 2025, 12:38 PM
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He denied knowing it was a definite leak. Some people wanted it to be an attack on us by the Chinese, which was always ridiculous. He didn't know if it was a leak from the lab. That's all. There's the entire story.
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Re: Water is wet and
Jan 27, 2025, 12:50 PM
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He left the door slightly cracked with the leak idea because he had to. But he was working the case very hard that it was not from a leak. It’s hard to listen to his testimony and take it any other way.
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Re: Water is wet and
Jan 27, 2025, 12:55 PM
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He left it open because he didn't know for sure. That is all.
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It was a little more than they (our Government) just didn't know for sure - some
Jan 27, 2025, 12:55 PM
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actively discouraged or outright sought to bury the lab leak and anyone who supported it. They did so with the help of Social Media and their allies in the Corporate Media. Why they wanted to keep the lab leak from gaining traction I don't exactly know though I imagine $Chinese$ influence can't totally be ignored as part of that equation.
https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/5058339-biden-administration-suppressed-dissent/
The COVID-19 lab leak is but one example of the problem with having our Government knee deep (directly and through proxy organizations) as the "fact checkers" and the arbiters of "misinformation". The Government has proven they will stifle opposing narratives or outright lie if it suits their purpose or protects the bureaucracy.
Unfortunately our Corporate Media has aligned themselves with the DC Swamp ecosystem and have proven they are all too happy to spout the Governments narrative as "truth" without really doing their own independent homework of the facts. When they do call out the Government - it is usually based on ideological differences to establish their own narrative in support of their bias. Just one of the many reasons the Corporate Media's influence is declining among the citizens and their power is heading toward irrelevance.
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Whats different now .***
Jan 27, 2025, 8:49 PM
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They can't afford it.***
Jan 28, 2025, 2:47 AM
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Re: This is how I remember it.***
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Just not reality though.
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Re: Yeah .. except this ...
Jan 27, 2025, 6:20 PM
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He said he didn't believe it. He didn't say he knew. There is a difference.
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Re: Water is wet and
Jan 27, 2025, 12:39 PM
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we've known this for what, 3-4 years now. Remember when FOx news told us that it was because of Chinese eating bats?
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It started right beside China's Covid Testing Facility - but yes, it was the wet
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