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Trump's tax cuts for the rich...
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Jul 22, 2024, 4:09 PM
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Since I saw a poast about Trump's tax cuts that only benefited billionaires on T-net earlier, this is from your liberal rag USAToday:
TCJA, which was initiated by President Donald Trump, lowered tax rates across the board and shifted the thresholds for several income tax brackets. Some people saw a bigger reduction than others but pretty much everyone gained at least a little, tax experts said.
For example, a married couple whose total income minus deductions is $250,000 would have had a 33% tax rate in 2017, but only 24% in 2024. An individual making $39,000 in taxable income in 2017 would have had a top tax rate of 25% but just 12% in 2024. For those in the top tax bracket, the rate dropped to 37% from 39.6%
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2024/07/22/tax-cuts-jobs-act-expires-2025/74473843007/?tbref=hp
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Re: Trump's tax cuts for the rich...
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Jul 22, 2024, 7:16 PM
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And everyone fails to mention that the 39.6% to 37% cut for the top income bracket did not do them a favor because each paid $1000s more taxes each year from not being able to take the "fluff" deductions they were getting. Resulting in more tax income for Uncle Sam.
I know some of the lost deductions hit me and the middle class but I was never really worried about getting a home equity loan on my farm house and using the money to do repairs on my ski villa in Aspen. That deduction went away with Trump's Tax Cuts and the list is long of what was taken away from the top income bracket.
The initial hit for the tax cuts was over $1 Trillion but through 2022 the gain is almost $5 Trillion. School is still out on full ROI for corporate tax cuts but if you believe the current government data for worker income growth and the economy, things are coming together after the hit and recovery from COVID.
Despite CBO’s Predictions, Trump Tax Cuts Were a Boon for America’s Economy and Working Families | The U.S. House Committee on the Budget - House Budget Committee https://budget.house.gov/press-release/despite-cbos-predictions-trump-tax-cuts-were-a-boon-for-americas-economy-and-working-families
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Re: Trump's tax cuts for the rich...
Jul 22, 2024, 7:46 PM
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How did we do with the deficit during Trump's term?
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Re: Trump's tax cuts for the rich...
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Jul 22, 2024, 7:53 PM
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Trump spent way too much. Biden spent way too much.
Regardless of how much revenue is realized from the results of either tax cuts or tax increases, which is argued incessantly, there can be no mistake that both parties are absolute spendthrifts.
Both will absolutely spend more than they take in.
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Re: Trump's tax cuts for the rich...
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Jul 22, 2024, 8:32 PM
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I can agree with that rons1. They all spend too much money. It's ashame that Trump is being hammered for ~$8.4 Trillion deficit when ~$3.6 Trillion of that resulted from COVID. Without COVID, Trump added less to the deficit than Obama did in his 1st term. But it all counts.
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Look at the economy Obama inherited from W.
Jul 23, 2024, 1:07 AM
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Now look at the economy Trump inherited from Obama.
Tell me what you see.
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Re: Look at the economy Obama inherited from W.
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Jul 23, 2024, 8:39 AM
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You can slice this many ways so I'll stick to Dollar GDP
Obama 2nd Term
2013 GDP growth - 3.4% Inflation - 1.5% 2014 GDP growth - 3.9% Inflation - 1.6% 2015 GDP growth - 3.4% Inflation - <1% 2016 GDP growth - 2.9% Inflation - 2.1%
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2017 GDP growth - 4.1% Inflation - 2.13% 2018 GDP growth - 4.2% Inflation - 1.9% 2019 GDP growth - 4.1% Inflation - 1.81% 2020 GDP growth - -2.3% Inflation - 1.2% and you know why when COVID shut down the world.
I would say it was pretty stable and comparable.
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Re: Trump's tax cuts for the rich...
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Jul 23, 2024, 9:01 AM
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This is shocking. Why was Obama's so high with the country on cruise control?
Total
Obama - $7.22 Trillion
Trump - $8.4 Trillion (includes COVID)
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Re: Trump's tax cuts for the rich...
Jul 23, 2024, 11:10 AM
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You're comparing 8 Years of Obama to 4 years of Trump. 😆 I asked for Obamas 2nd term vs Trumps term, but I understand why you don't wanna go there. How embarrassing for you and "the businessman". 😳
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Re: Trump's tax cuts for the rich...
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Jul 23, 2024, 12:21 PM
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Oh chit, I made a mistake. I'm evil. This is from a better and obviously more accurate report.
The deficit increase for Obama 2013 - 2016 was $2.2 Trillion
2013 - $680 B 2014 - $485 B 2015 - $442 B 2016 - $585 B
The deficit increase for Trump 2017 - 2020 was $5.6 Trillion
2017 - $665 B 2018 - $779 B 2019 - $984 B 2020 - $3.12 T
Comparing Apples to Oranges. Keep drawing the bullseye around your targets. You know but are too childish to admit it.
BTW Apples to Apples the Biden deficit has now passed Trump's (sooner than I expected) and is still growing. They both dealt with COVID funding in 2020 and 2021 respectively.
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Re: Trump's tax cuts for the rich...
Jul 23, 2024, 1:10 PM
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Do you agree that Trump should have gotten some tips from Obama on how to manage the nation's finances? The deficit trended downward throughout Obama's presidency, and did the opposite (even b4 Covid) for "the businessman". AND, "the businessman" claims to have had the "best econmomy" ever during his term. How does a "businessman" who claimed that fixing the issue would be "easy" screw it up that bad? Shouldn't "the businessman" have been running surpluses if he had "the best economy ever" along with his "economic prowess"?
You gots some splaining to do. 😆
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Re: Trump's tax cuts for the rich...
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Jul 23, 2024, 3:28 PM
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The one thing that confuses a liberal is a tax cut and the Trump tax cut hurt his deficit numbers. But, a businessman doesn't look short term they look long term. The short term cost Trump but helped the middle class and lower wage earners. And I'll just be dayem, Biden saw the benefits and couldn't talk about it because it was Trump's tax cuts that increased revenue during Biden's term. That's what a business man does. Go ahead and you tell the family of 4 making $100,000 per year that they will be paying $7500 more in taxes when the democrats let Trump's tax cuts expire in 2025 and the top tax bracket gets all their fluff deductions back and will pay less taxes.
(It's not rocket science - just stop the hate and sarcasm and read the budget report above)
less taxes paid = more income more income = more spending more spending = higher demand for goods higher demand for goods = more production more production = more workers more workers = more taxes paid more taxes paid = more government revenue
FYI, the deficit in the 4th year of Obama did jump back up but you were probably too giddy to notice. Instead of living in the past, tell me how great Biden has done with the deficit. He's trending toward another $1 Trillion to hit his total by years end. Going to be close. I'll check back after I finish working on the tractor to see what you say about how good Joe is doing with the deficit.
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Re: Trump's tax cuts for the rich...
Jul 23, 2024, 3:41 PM
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"The businessman" said he would eliminate the debt. How did that work out?
https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/275003-trump-i-will-eliminate-us-debt-in-8-years/
The Republican presidential front-runner said in a wide-ranging interview with The Washington Post that he’d be able to get rid of the more than $19 trillion debt “over a period of eight years.”
Trump insisted in the interview that “renegotiating all of our deals” would help pay down the debt by sparking economic growth.
“The power is trade. Our deals are so bad,” Trump said. “I would immediately start renegotiating our trade deals with Mexico, China, Japan and all of these countries that are just absolutely destroying us.”
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Re: Trump's tax cuts for the rich...
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Jul 23, 2024, 4:49 PM
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If the Trump tariffs are so bad, why did Biden and his advisors keep the Trump China tariffs intact and add another $18B to them in May 2024. The only adjustment Biden made on Trump's tarriffs was to set a quota on imports of steel and aluminum from the EU, Canada and Japan. The tariffs didn't go away. When the quota is hit, the tariffs kick back in. The Democrats must be impressed on the results of protecting American business.
I still didn't hear from you about how Biden has done with the deficit and justification. I'm sure you know so it's not that important. We all know anyway.
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Re: Trump's tax cuts for the rich...
Jul 23, 2024, 8:00 PM
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Tariffs? We are discussing about how "the businessman" sucked at handling the nation's finances after he promised to fix it. And LOL at how Obama did better than what "the businessman" was suppose to be good at. 😆
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Re: Trump's tax cuts for the rich...
Jul 24, 2024, 12:04 AM
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Why do you keep shifting the subject when you’re backed into a corner?
Because your lost argument had backed you into that corner.
I love it when you do this because then the Democrat tropes get exposed as BS for all of TNet’s lurkers to see.
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Re: Trump's tax cuts for the rich...
Jul 24, 2024, 8:14 AM
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What have I shifted? My first post was about Trump's failure with the deficit during his term. So was my last post and every post in between. This is the part where you slink away with your tail between your legs. 😆
#pwned
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Re: Trump's tax cuts for the rich...
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Jul 22, 2024, 8:16 PM
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Why has the deficit grown under Biden and is now knocking on $35 Trillion? Don't say COVID unless you subtract COVID from Trump too. I posted that data once before, with and without COVID. Biden's Administration will pass Trump in total deficit in less than 2 months with 3 more months to follow.
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Does that mean you support spending cuts? 'Cause...
Jul 23, 2024, 8:43 AM
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we have a spending problem and not an revenue problem!!
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Re: Does that mean you support spending cuts? 'Cause...
Jul 24, 2024, 12:07 AM
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Spending cuts via reduction of unproductive federal agencies such as Dept of Education is one way to cut spending.
Negotiating an end to the Ukraine / Russia war is way to cut spending.
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