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Trichinosis?
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Nov 9, 2024, 7:38 AM
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"21 And upon a set day Herod, arrayed in royal apparel, sat upon his throne, and made an oration unto them.
22 And the people gave a shout, saying, It is the voice of a god, and not of a man.
23 And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost."
I was raised on pork and all the old folks in my family contended that the worms within the meat would eat your muscles if they were not killed in the pan. I'm wondering if that wasn't what happened to ole Herod.
This might be the first time I've seen any practical application to their belief.
That's from Acts 12th chapter.
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Re: Trichinosis?
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Nov 9, 2024, 2:00 PM
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Maybe ol' Herod was sneaking bbq ribs on the side?
Deut 14:8 The pig is also unclean; You are not to eat their meat or touch their carcasses.
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Re: Trichinosis?
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Nov 9, 2024, 3:35 PM
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What’s up with this? I’ve always know pork was forbidden in the Bible but never understood why? Are there other cultures back then that also abstained from eating pork?
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Re: Trichinosis?
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Nov 9, 2024, 4:01 PM
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It's from Moses's Law, along with other dietary rule like no shellfish, etc.
There may have been a tradition before that, but as far as the Bible is concerned it's the word of God handed down.
Muslims also abstain from pork but I don't think they abide by Moses's Law. I'm not sure what they look to. I don't remember it being in the Koran but I may be wrong.
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Re: Trichinosis?
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Nov 9, 2024, 4:32 PM
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Right but why? What was the reason they couldn’t eat it? Did they think it was unhealthy? Unsafe?
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I believe cholesterol was a big factor.
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Nov 10, 2024, 8:09 AM
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That's the tie in with shellfish. Those of us with high cholesterol noticed the similarity immediately.
Anyone who eats chicken can't complain about a pig being nasty. Pigs got nothing on chickens.
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Re: I believe cholesterol was a big factor.
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Nov 10, 2024, 8:31 AM
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>Anyone who eats chicken can't complain about a pig being nasty. Pigs got nothing on chickens.
Indeed. Just visited a farm the other day, that ALMOST turns me into a vegetarian... until of course my stomach starts to rumble later that day
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Re: I believe cholesterol was a big factor.
Nov 10, 2024, 2:03 PM
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>Anyone who eats chicken can't complain about a pig being nasty. Pigs got nothing on chickens.
Turkeys, too. As a kid there was a turkey farm near town. Whenever we drove nearby it gave me a headache just from the smell.
I've got some relatives who grew biddies for sell to Tyson, Fosters, whoever. They were always concerned the exhaust fans might break on the warehouses, because their own smell, and the methane, would kill the chickens unless it was constantly blown away.
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Re: I believe cholesterol was a big factor.
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Nov 10, 2024, 3:23 PM
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Turkey barns used to be a big thing where I grew up. Not many of them left now. I had a job one summer walking through a sea of turkeys picking up the dead ones. If you didn't get them out the rest would die of disease and yes, the smell when you passed one was horrible.
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We have two laws rather than the many handed down to Moses.
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Nov 10, 2024, 7:04 PM
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Love God and love your fellow man.
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Re: We have two laws rather than the many handed down to Moses.
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Nov 10, 2024, 7:33 PM
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What I mean is why is god ok with you eating pig but not an Israelite?
If it was wrong then it’s wrong now, no?
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That's an excellent question which merits attention.
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Nov 11, 2024, 6:52 AM
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The deeper issue you're poking at is the difference between the COI before Jesus and the COI and gentiles who accepted Christ afterwords.
Jesus fulfilled Levitical/Mosaic law. Abraham wasn't under the law. He was under the same grace which I enjoy today. So your question should be expanded.
'Why was Abraham allowed to eat port, the COI not allowed to eat pork then those who accepted Christ as savior allowed?'
The law, which included the exclusion of pork as a food wasn't handed down to save the people. Only their faith in God saved them. The law was given to provide guidelines to build a nation.
The COI exited Egypt with an army of approximately half a million men of fighting age, I think, it's been a while. The number 1 million comes in there somewhere according to the math but I think the COI had a total of ~1 mil people but that's extrapolated from the addition of the old, the young and the wimmins folk.
I don't think any of them knew where they were going, no map or such but only knew that being children of Israel their birthright was the land of promise to Abraham. They followed a cloud by light of day and a pillar of fire in the evening. They were a million people but they were not a nation.
They'd never seen their future home, had no law, paid little attention to the guys who led them from captivity and had no clue what God expected of them. They lacked any spiritual development. For about 10 generations they had spent in a land with more gods than they had fingers and toes and had been expected to worship anyone wearing a mask that looked like an animals' face.
They were not a nation. They had no land, no borders, no government, no laws, no standards and no moral compass. They had no clue who God was, what He wanted and expected of them and how to please Him. It seemed to be another of those times when Israel had no prophet for I know of no word from God to the COI after Joseph, while they were in Egypt.
As far as flesh goes. The law established government by instituting Mosaic Law. The Law in Exodus covered: sanitation, hygiene, construction, government, personal property, feast sexuality and law and order or crime, ordinances for living in society, and regulations for worship (requirements for priests, sacrifices, feasts, and the temple dimensions, inclusions with a ton of details).
For adhering to it came the promise of God to Israel for prosperity in the land, livestock, fields of grains, vines and trees for fruit and the multiplication of children which covered growth of the nation.
It also included warnings for disobedience. Israel found out the hard way that God 2nd part of promise was as sure as His first.
Moses was herding cats and red-worms. If God was going to build a great nation with the citizenry being numbered with the sands and stars there was going to be some form of government and plenty of laws. It's common sense in retrospect. Should have been obvious to the COI, maybe it was and that's why they asked for the law but that wasn't the limit of it nor, according to what I understand, was its greatest value.
The NT seems to be more about the Spirit of God than the flesh of men and I've found no reference in the concept of nation building but it seems pretty obvious that it didn't take a genius (like me, right?) to see the value of the law to the flesh.
The law covered Sanitation, Hygene/physical health, construction, government, personal property, feast/holidays, sexuality and crime, just to name the big ticket items.
Personally, I think exclusion of certain animals (pork) was a health issue. It certainly is one today. Many of us have cholesterol issues which pork complicates and the potential of muscle devouring worms of the past might have been a big issue in those days.
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Re: That's an excellent question which merits attention.
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Nov 11, 2024, 12:53 PM
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So it was a sin because it is unhealthy? But eating something unhealthy now is not a sin? So sins have changed over time?
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It was and is for Israel and many Muslims.
Nov 11, 2024, 3:45 PM
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If you have an issue with the difference between those two and me you ought to ask them why they don't eat pork. They will direct you to their scripture which forbids it.
The only think the NT says about limits to what one eats don't eat anything 'with blood,' which means meat which isn't drained of blood and not to eat things which offend others in front of them. That's almost exclusively directed at those who claim eating meat which was from a sacrifice to an idol.
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Probably unsafe, wasn't it hard to keep them parasite free until reletively
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Nov 10, 2024, 8:33 AM
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That would be my guess.
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Back in the 1950s it was assumed that all pork was infested.
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Nov 10, 2024, 8:49 AM
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I learned to like my bacon crunchy. I don't recall ever being happy with less than crunch bacon.
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Re: Back in the 1950s it was assumed that all pork was infested.
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Nov 10, 2024, 8:55 AM
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This is exactly what I heard growing up.
>I learned to like my bacon crunchy. I don't recall ever being happy with less than crunch bacon.
Good man
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Re: Back in the 1950s it was assumed that all pork was infested.
Nov 10, 2024, 2:11 PM
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In college at USuCK, Mrs. Fordt's roommate's father was an old VT Hokie bigwig. She isn't sure what his exact degree was, but he was the guy who decided when mass killings of poultry had to be done because of diseases.
Imagine picking up the phone and saying, "It's out of control, so we need to kill every chicken (or turkey) in Virginia today before it spreads any further." Yikes.
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