Re: TNET: Will Shipley injury update

I've looked at it from all angles, fast and slow. The helmets may have grazed each but wasn't what caused any injuries.

It was actually his arm and then shoulder that hit ship in the back and neck area. But ship was twisting at an odd angle and moment. When the defender hit him with his arm, he got hurt. It's nearly identical with what happens in a car accident when you hit an immovable object. Just merely an unfortunate accident based on two objects twisting in the wrong direction.

The defender did everything he could to turn his head out the way. So essentially the same thing could have happened if the defender was just laying there.

Not familiar with 89 but he/she epitomizes the typical knee jerk fan reaction. Mob mentality. Most all objectivity has disappeared from T-Net. Even Dabo has become very defensive and adopted the attitude that everyone is out to get Clemson.

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Oct 30, 2023, 1:46 PM

Looks to me it should have been called: Article 3 does say making forcible contact with the crown of the helmet but then refers to Note 1. Note 1 c. is all that was needed. Also, Article 4 says for a defenseless player. seems a guy on the ground would with his back toward the oncoming tackler would be defenseless. Both Articles specifiy "when in question, it's a foul."

Rule 9, Section 1, Articles 3 and 4 define targeting this way:

Targeting and Making Forcible Contact with the Crown of the Helmet

ARTICLE 3. No player shall target and make forcible contact against an opponent with the crown of his helmet. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question, it is a foul. ..

Targeting and Making Forcible Contact to Head or Neck Area of a Defenseless Player

ARTICLE 4. No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting. When in question, it is a foul. ...

Note 1: "Targeting" means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball. Some indications of targeting (emphasis NCAA's) include but are not limited to:

a. Launch-a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area
b. A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground
c. Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area
d. Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet

Note 2: Defenseless player (Rule 2-27-14). When in question, a player is defenseless. Examples of defenseless players include but are not limited to:

A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass
A receiver attempting to catch a forward pass or in position to receive a backward pass, or one who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier
A kicker in the act of or just after kicking a ball, or during the kick or the return
A kick returner attempting to catch or recover a kick, or one who has completed a catch or recovery and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier
A player on the ground
A player obviously out of the play
A player who receives a blind-side block
A ball carrier already in the grasp of an opponent and whose forward progress has been stopped
A quarterback any time after a change of possession a ball carrier who has obviously given himself up and is sliding feet first"

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TNET: Will Shipley injury update

Glad hes ok!