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TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 9:09 PM
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Cliff Notes:1. Dabo is going to do it his way no matter what
Nov 28, 2022, 9:13 PM
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2. DJ has been really good this year
3. More blame on the receivers and defense, but none on DJ other than he needs to play well Saturday
HTH
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Re: Cliff Notes:1. Dabo is going to do it his way no matter what
Nov 28, 2022, 9:18 PM
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Do yourself a favor and spare the agony of watching that lumbering giant try to operate the Tiger offense.
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Re: Cliff Notes:1. Dabo is going to do it his way no matter what
Nov 28, 2022, 9:50 PM
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If DJ5STARBUST trots on the field for the first offensive series I’ll turn and not watch. I’m done with DJ5STARBUST and the entire offensive coaching staff. Very close to being done with Dabo.
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Re: Cliff Notes:1. Dabo is going to do it his way no matter what
Nov 28, 2022, 9:51 PM
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You will be turning it. Better have a backup plan.
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Re: Cliff Notes:1. Dabo is going to do it his way no matter what
Nov 29, 2022, 7:51 AM
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You can always change the channel and watch SC play. BTW who they play Saturday?
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thats a lazy argument
Nov 28, 2022, 10:37 PM
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so just because we were bad in the past means we have to be fine with the team regressing this much? ffs
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Re: thats a lazy argument
Nov 28, 2022, 11:08 PM
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How is the team regressing? We didn’t make the acc championship last year? Seems like progress to me.
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Paw Master [17276]
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did you watch our offense this year
Nov 28, 2022, 11:13 PM
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heck even the defense? we are fortunate to be in a garbage conference.
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Re: did you watch our offense this year
Nov 29, 2022, 5:47 PM
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Klubnik hasn’t been given a chance. Why when we face Furman and LA Tech didn’t he play each QB a half with alternating quarters. Ask yourself, with DJ being the 56th rated QB would you bench him and give the 2nd stringer a chance.
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Re: Cliff Notes:1. Dabo is going to do it his way no matter what
Nov 29, 2022, 4:44 AM
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What an ignorant statement. You must be too young to remember the 20 years prior to Dabo.
What an ignorant statement. You must be too young to remember the 20 years prior to Dabo.
I was thinking the same thing
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Re: Cliff Notes:1. Dabo is going to do it his way no matter what
Nov 29, 2022, 5:34 PM
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Yes, we've come a long way in 20 years and invested millions of dollars in upgrading virtually every facet of our football program. After all of that you can't reasonably expect poor results. It's completely illogical that when DJ has games where he's struggled so badly that Cade or one of our other QBs don't replace him. The name of the game is WIN.
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Re: Cliff Notes:1. Dabo is going to do it his way no matter what
Nov 29, 2022, 10:16 AM
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I'm there with you. It's not want you've done in the past that takes care of whats currently going on now. Dabo talks about some of us but he also has changed and getting more closed minded of what he's going to do. This is how coach will start falling off of that hill as they age. "That's how I look at it.". DJ may give it his all but the bottom line is he is scared of something.
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Re: Cliff Notes:1. Dabo is going to do it his way no matter what
Nov 30, 2022, 1:10 PM
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If DJ5STARBUST trots on the field for the first offensive series I’ll turn and not watch. I’m done with DJ5STARBUST and the entire offensive coaching staff. Very close to being done with Dabo.
Go watch the coots then....
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Re: Cliff Notes:1. Dabo is going to do it his way no matter what
Nov 28, 2022, 9:42 PM
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In all my years of watching Tiger football I’ve NEVER had the thought cross my mind that I hope they get their doors blown off at a game until I read these comments from this stubborn mule.
I love Dabo for everything he’s done for these kids, this program, this school, and the community. My goodness I don’t know what’s going on here. I think I just need to take a step back. Maybe I’ll see things clearer.
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Re: Cliff Notes:1. Dabo is going to do it his way no matter what
Nov 29, 2022, 12:44 AM
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CASDM9901, agree 1000% with you. I don’t know what’s going on here on Tigernet comment section..? Is it click and bait articles or the writers are igniting young and maybe some old cancel cultured complaining, whining ungrateful fans to be so negative about us loosing 2 games!!! I was at the game and just watched it again on TV, what is this HUGE fuss about DJ, these dumb ungrateful, entitled fans know that this is a TEAM sport?? It’s not just DJ, it’s the special team, WR, TE, defense all they are bunch of young and talented kids. Any of these cry baby fans have ever played any kind of sports? Probably not. But I guess we have to accept the reality, we have many spoiled rotten ungrateful entitle fans that will keep complaining no matter what.. just like there was an article written 4 years ago when we won 35-56 by three touch down and David Hoods wrote giving these ungrateful entitled fans a voice of “why did we win only by 21 points!!!!!” Some of you guys may remember that… not knocking Davis as he is a great writer and editor in chief.. but let’s not give these whining fans too much attention!! Go Tigers!!
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Re: Cliff Notes:1. Dabo is going to do it his way no matter what
Nov 29, 2022, 8:42 AM
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I’m tired of hearing about how this is on the defense and special teams and wide receivers. DJ completed 8 passes, 7 of which were behind the line of scrimmage. Even former Clemson players have said this is unacceptable play. 8/29 is all on DJ minus one or two dropped balls. As far as the defense goes, they play good up until the point that they all realize the offense is never going to score. I wouldn’t want to play defense anymore after watching the offense look like an anemic dog, series after series.
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Re: Cliff Notes:1. Dabo is going to do it his way no matter what
Nov 29, 2022, 3:11 PM
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I do not care that we lost two games (so far, stay tuned for UNC and any bowl game).
I DO care that we are the 54th ranked offense, and we cannot make a simple 10 yd forward pass. I can turn on the TV and watch teams with zero five star recruits, and they complete forward passes EVERY possession or every set of downs. For us it is once a half at best. It is seriously completely pathetic and miserable to watch.
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Re: Cliff Notes:1. Dabo is going to do it his way no matter what
Nov 28, 2022, 10:46 PM
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I think this is probably the biggest challenge in the program at this point. When Brent V and the Chad were there, they were more mature in their career. They could disagree with Dabo. It doesn't seem like the current staff is at that point, and it shows in the one track, never consider alternatives approach that is prevalent at this point.
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Re: Cliff Notes:1. Dabo is going to do it his way no matter what
Nov 29, 2022, 8:13 AM
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Streeter is is an asset coach, not a puppet. They are all on the same page, much like many of the “fans” on Tiger net are. Streeter works for Dabo. Believe it or not they meet as a staff and discuss their beliefs and game plan. Dabo gets input from his assistants and they all work together towards executing this game plan. Streeter is loyal to his boss, as they are on the same team. If he wasn’t loyal he’d have a different boss. As Dabo said, he has a boss. If he’s not performing up to his bosses’ expectations I hope his boss replaces him with someone that can win two more national championships for the university.
I don’t work for Dabo but he’s head coach of my university, my alma mater. Do I know enough about what Dabo is doing to run my mouth and give him advice? NO. So when I disagree, I wonder to myself WTH and then remember that 70-33 blowout I sat through down in Miami and realize what has happened since. I thought it couldn’t get any worse. Look where we’ve been since. So I keep my opinions to myself because I know Davi’s job is to make the decisions. My job is to be the fan and I’m a loyal fan!
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Re: Cliff Notes:1. Dabo is going to do it his way no matter what
Nov 29, 2022, 8:25 AM
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" ... the Party is always right."
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Re: Cliff Notes:1. Dabo is going to do it his way no matter what
Nov 28, 2022, 10:07 PM
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Shouldn’t Dabo do it his way? You say it as if to suggest that he should be listening to the fan base as a basis for making his coaching decisions…
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Re: Cliff Notes:1. Dabo is going to do it his way no matter what
Nov 28, 2022, 10:07 PM
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Shouldn’t Dabo do it his way? You say it as if to suggest that he should be listening to the fan base as a basis for making his coaching decisions…
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Re: Cliff Notes:1. Dabo is going to do it his way no matter what
Nov 29, 2022, 9:44 AM
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He’s not wrong that we need to stick with a good coach even in “down” years with no playoffs, but the fanbase and armchair quarterbacks have legitimate complaints that DJ and this offense hasn’t been this anemic and turnover-happy for a couple games, it’s been this way since Lawrence and to some extent Elliot left. We’ve had two seasons now to appreciate what DJ offers, and it’s clear that it’s time to move on. There will be nothing consistent about this team behind this offense, and no we will continue to regress as a program. I’m 100% sticking with Dabo, he has more than earned the benefit of the doubt, but his emotional investment is clouding his judgment on this one and it’s reasonable to question at this point.
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Re: Cliff Notes:1. Dabo is going to do it his way no matter what
Nov 30, 2022, 1:55 AM
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Dabo has won two Natty's in six years. He has earned the right to do it his way.
I agree. But the best decision he ever made was firing staff and hiring a new DC after the WV humiliation.
It’s time to pull the trigger again. After the ND game he should have handed over the offense to Cade and given him the team for the week and the full support of using him as a starter.
What happens if DJ wants to come back next year? If I’m Cade, I’m gone in the portal for a team that is looking for results and not excuses.
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"Does he got to play well? Yep. You know, there's no room
Nov 28, 2022, 9:14 PM
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for error there."
I just don't think this has been applied. Sorry, I just don't.
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Re: "Does he got to play well? Yep. You know, there's no room
Nov 28, 2022, 11:48 PM
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DJ was 8 for 29, seems like there is a lot of room for error….?
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Re: I'm sick of the double Ds.
Nov 29, 2022, 7:32 AM
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Not sure what some posting on this article were seeing by DJ's performance but I can tell you what my gamecock friends and family were doing during that game. They were all praying Dabo would not pull QB1 for QB2. And that Streeter would continue calling pass plays late instead of running. They got their prayers answered.
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When DJ got hurt, he should have taken a series off
Nov 29, 2022, 2:30 PM
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As bad as things were going, this would have been the perfect time to put Cade in. It also came in with a built-in excuse to protect DJ's egg shell ego.
That one series would have changed the outcome.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 9:15 PM
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This reeks of arrogance
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Has Dabo gone stark raving mad?!
Nov 28, 2022, 9:19 PM
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Is he the only person in the room who can't see we'd probably be undefeated with a B+ quality QB..or least one who was consistent!
This is getting a bit scary!!
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Re: Has Dabo gone stark raving mad?!
Nov 28, 2022, 9:59 PM
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Exactly Bill, and I do wonder if Dabo really believes what he's saying, or do he have his eyes on another special QB he wants to go after really hard, or he knew from the start of the season that we weren't really a NC team bc, we have seen him pull a good QB in Kelly B, he put Trevor in, and Kelly B never threw another ball for Dabo or Clemson!!!
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Re: Has Dabo gone stark raving mad?!
Nov 28, 2022, 10:36 PM
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It really is getting weird lightbulbbill
When you have a superstar QB and make those statements, it makes sense.
But when you aren’t making the plays you should be making or winning the
games you should be winning, it sounds either arrogant or ignorant. And
I can’t believe I’m saying that about him. I love this guy. But he’s not making sense.
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Re: Has Dabo gone stark raving mad?!
Nov 28, 2022, 11:13 PM
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Dabo needs to start walking around with a white cane. Success has blinded him.
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Re: Has Dabo gone stark raving mad?!
Nov 29, 2022, 9:40 AM
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I agree.
During this season, I've rewatched a few games and tried to see where the open receivers are. The TV does not show the whole field, but many times I see significantly open receivers who are not targeted. And I'm not able to see the whole field. How are our coaches not seeing this when they review film?
And many of DJs passes were awful last Saturday, especially in the 2nd half. The announcers even commented that his passes looked like they had been tipped, when clearly they had not - just ugly passes.
I'm not sure what our coaches are seeing. Our passing game was non-existent - per Streeter. So, I guess he saw it, but can't do anything about it.
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Re: Has Dabo gone stark raving mad?!
Nov 29, 2022, 11:23 AM
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You are correct from the stadium upper deck you see receivers coming open then he throws to someone else or throws it away. Happens way more than you can see on tv.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 29, 2022, 6:16 AM
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Well, rinse and repeat - he said again he doesn’t have his head in the sand. I guess he’s trying to be convincing regardless of how it looks. I agree, he has his head up DJ’s but. He’s trying to prove he’s been right by his QB choice and his friends and family hires.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 9:17 PM
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Just because he thinks it's right doesn't mean it's right....
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Exactly. “I’m going to start and play DJ because I think it’s right.”
Nov 29, 2022, 2:21 AM
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???????????
WTH does that even mean!?? Someone seriously needs to ask Dabo what on God’s green earth he means by that. I’m speechless. He’s lost his mind.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 29, 2022, 8:15 AM
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I thought he was speechless!
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No, I think he's reacting to Dabo making it
Nov 29, 2022, 8:22 AM
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almost seem like he sees sticking with DJ as more of a moral decision than a football one.
Which should strike any reasonable person as odd.
Either that or Im just too stupid to keep up with the nuances of the "all-in" approach that, lately, seems to be more about losing the right way than winning the wrong way.
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Right by what standard?
Nov 28, 2022, 9:19 PM
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DJ poor play cost us a loss to our hated rival after years of being levels above them. In a year they are a clown show. Do you have loyalty to the team, fanbase, and university or just your promises to your incapable QB. Wake up!
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Re: Right by what standard?
Nov 28, 2022, 9:48 PM
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DJ poor play cost us a loss to our hated rival after years of being levels above them. In a year they are a clown show. Do you have loyalty to the team, fanbase, and university or just your promises to your incapable QB. Wake up!
Agree 100%. How can any D1 coach not see that DJ is bringing this team down?
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Re: Right by what standard?
Nov 28, 2022, 9:53 PM
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Not a P5 coach on the staff.
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Re: Right by what standard?
Nov 28, 2022, 10:06 PM
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I've been saying that this entire season. I actually see 6 or more coaches coaching at Clemson that couldn't get hire at Geogia Tech. And there are thousands of Tiger fan that would agree if I would have named those coaches by name!!!!
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Re: Right by what standard?
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I watched the ACCN at night. Even Mark Richt said on air he did not know why Dabo didnt pull DJ. He said every coach he knows would have pulled DJ and replaced him with Cade at least for a series or two. However, Dabo had himself convinced he could win with DJ. I know DJ didnt cause that last fumble and maybe he couldve won it but we should have never been in that position in the first place. At this point its water under the bridge. That game did not cost us the Orange Bowl and again I ask, did you really want to go to the playoffs with this team and DJ at QB? If you said No then the Orange Bowl is our destination. I know I didnt want to go to the playoffs to get smashed!!
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Re: Right by what standard?
Nov 29, 2022, 11:13 AM
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I don't think going to the Orange Bowl is going to be much easier if we end up playing Alabama.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 9:20 PM
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“What I think is right” vs “Best is the Standard.” I like the old motto better
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Never forget. He also said "the best is yet to come."
Nov 28, 2022, 10:47 PM
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I guess this is what he meant
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 9:20 PM
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A man is easy to convince when he’s the one doing the convincing ….
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 9:27 PM
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Yikes man. That's all I gotta say...yikes.
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Nov 29, 2022, 8:14 AM
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 9:28 PM
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Okay, start DJ but ya got to be ready to sit him if he’s having an average game because average won't win this game. I think nobody knows that more than Dabo. I have faith he will do what is needed.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 11:34 PM
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I’m glad someone does because Dabo hasn’t done what’s needed for 2 years now in several area of the program.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 9:29 PM
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The problem is, Dabo, the longer this goes on the more people question if you actually KNOW what is right in this situation.
Your judgement seems askew.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 9:29 PM
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Good for him. I fully support Dabo and his decision making skills.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 29, 2022, 12:54 AM
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It is not a a matter of questioning his decision making skills. It is a matter of trying to deter people from questioning decisions. Nobody in their right mind wants Dabo fired, but he makes a remark that boils down to "If you don't like it, fire me."
He constantly wants to compare the current state of the program to times that were not as successful. The other difference now versus then is the amount of money invested in the program. When you make $11 million then you are subject to scrutiny. I am sorry, but with the talent on this team, and the money invested in this coaching staff it is not acceptable to lose to UofSC. Sh it happens, but I don't need to hear what a great job Shane Beamer and his players did.
I want to hear him say that the coaching staff has failed to teach ball security this year. I want to hear an admission that the coaching staff has done a poor job of making in game adjustments. I want to hear that, in hindsight, they should have done a better job of getting Cade meaningful playing time earlier in the year. From what I have seen DJ is the better option, but he has never shown consistency. I want to hear Dabo say that the coaching staff screwed up, even if he does not believe it.
Nobody wants Dabo to compromise what he thinks is right. However, all of us have times that we realize that we were not right in hindsight. All we want him to do is admit when he realizes that he was wrong.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 9:32 PM
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Sheesh, Dabo. Nobody wants you gone. There are just glaringly obvious holes in this offense that the entire country can see but you and Streeter but aren't willing to admit it.
Every Dabo/Streeter interview about DJ and the offensive struggles makes my head hurt. Completely missing the mark.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 9:35 PM
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He keeps on with his arrogance that might change.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 9:49 PM
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I'm not willing to go there. I just hate the way this situation is playing out.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 9:33 PM
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MCI had the friends and family plan , then they went bankrupt!
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 9:36 PM
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He was 8 for 29, Coach. With the three drops, he would have been 11 for 29. So, in what is predicably the biggest game of the year to true Clemson fans, our guy was 37.9% accurate!!! How does that match up with "Best is the Standard?" Your offense shouldn't be having that problem, and your defense shouldn't have to overcome the lack of effective offense.
I genuinely like DJ. He's a quality young man, and the maturity he showed in the interview after the Syracuse game is remarkable. So, I want only the best for the guy.
But... no matter how well he does in practice, or all the positive qualities he displays...if he can't perform in a game, that is the most significant factor. For everyone on his or her particular path, pressure will either break you or turn you into a diamond...it is clear to any objective observer this QB will never, ever be a diamond.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 9:41 PM
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Take away one big play (to #80) and it was 7-28 for 40 yds! Only 5 passes caught across the LOS all day. In what world has that "earned the job" and "better than last season"??
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 29, 2022, 6:49 AM
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If you’re taking away plays and cherry picking, take away their 4th down play and we win. SMH.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 10:16 PM
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I think some of the balls that are dropped, are dropped bc the receiver was shocked to see the ball coming to them. They knew the play wasn't supposed to come in their direction bc DJ hardly ever looks for another receiver, he throws to the receiver the play was designed for even if they are double triple covered with a high risk of it being intercepted!!!!
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 29, 2022, 8:24 AM
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And how is it the fans know exactly who the play is designed to go to I ask?
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 29, 2022, 11:56 AM
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Very few times can you watch DJ go through his reads/progression. Nearly every drop back, whoever he looks at first is who he throws the ball to. With him not viewing the whole field, whoever he looks at first is who the play was designed for.
The handful of times that you see DJ take the snap, look left, look right, look center. That is him going through his progression because the throw wasn't there. The times that DJ takes the snap, looks at a single receiver, throws to that single receiver without every looking at anyone else. That's when he decided pre snap that he was throwing to the #1 receiver on that play no matter what. That happens way too much.
I shouldn't be surprised to see a QB looking left, right, center on a play at all the options. That should be expected because the #1 receiver on a play is never going to be the only place the ball can go.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 9:37 PM
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He thinks he’s above reproach. Nobody is above reproach. Not even Saint Dabo!
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 9:37 PM
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Think he’s been rolling that money up and smoking it. Best use to be the standard at Clemson. Now it’s optional.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 9:38 PM
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What Dabo is saying is "I am hardheaded and stubborn" !!
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Y'all are nuts
Nov 28, 2022, 9:41 PM
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It's the same way he talked about things when we were losing 5 straight to the coots. The same confidence.
DJ has had 3 awful games. But he's thrown 22 TD's to 7 interceptions. Run for far more yardage than last year. He's better.
He's not where we needed him to be to go to the playoffs. You don't think Dabo knows that? But you don't trash people in public. On a message board anonymously sitting behind a keyboard with zero ties to the team, you can say whatever you want. That's not how you manage people. You have tough conversations in private.
DJ was part of the problem Saturday. He's the focal point of the team. But there was certainly enough blame for the loss to go around. Basically everyone here points a finger at DJ. He earned that Saturday. But so did all the others who contributed to that loss, and there were many. All He's done is say don't just look at DJ. It was a team loss, and that includes him and the staff. As usual, as always, he owned that after the game.
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Re: Y'all are nuts
Nov 28, 2022, 9:47 PM
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Do you think it would help the defense play better if the offense didn't go punt, punt, TD (all runs), punt, punt, INT, punt in the 2nd half?
Do you think it would help the running backs if the defenses didn't line up 8 guys in the box because they aren't scared of being beat deep?
Do you think it would help the WRs if they could rely on a consistent and on-time ball on a majority of the passes?
Strong disagree, Striper. Its all on DJ.
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When 50+ guys are playing
Nov 28, 2022, 9:56 PM
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It is never on one guy alone. It's called a year for a reason.
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Nov 28, 2022, 9:57 PM
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Re: Y'all are nuts
Nov 28, 2022, 9:52 PM
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Finally a sane individual! Love this post. 100% accurate. TU for you sir!
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Re: Y'all are nuts
Nov 28, 2022, 9:58 PM
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I agree that we shouldn’t be attacking players, but the coaches are causing this by continuing to throw him to the wolves whether it be scheme, playcalling, or just failure to develop him, the coaches have failed him. Instead of going in a different direction with any of these points, they just keep putting him out there totally destroying the kid’s confidence and mental state. The coaches are 100% to be blamed and most need to be fired immediately for what they have done to him. It is sad.
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So you'd have them do the same to Cade
Nov 29, 2022, 8:32 AM
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if they don't think he's ready? Maybe we should run the single wing and have no QB
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Re: Y'all are nuts
Nov 28, 2022, 10:39 PM
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Incredibly well said Striper. You actually made me reevaluate my thought process.
+1
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Dabo doesn't need to publicly trash DJ to make a change.
Nov 28, 2022, 11:31 PM
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Dabo could simply say that he's opening up competition at every position and that players have to earn their starting job every week. He could say that they want to split series like they did with Trevor and Kelly.
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Re: Dabo doesn't need to publicly trash DJ to make a change.
Nov 29, 2022, 6:55 AM
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Or he could say the coaches will do their jobs and do what they think is best for this team. And if his boss doesn’t like it then HE can make a change. Oh, wait….
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Re: Y'all are nuts
Nov 29, 2022, 6:52 AM
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Striper, you hit the nail in the head. Again. But people don’t want to hear facts when they are emotional.
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10-3, 10-2 (and counting) ...
Nov 29, 2022, 8:39 AM
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35-14
31-30.
Facts.
10/$115M. Fact.
Nothing emotional about it. Just win, baby.
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Re: Y'all are nuts
Nov 29, 2022, 8:04 AM
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Well said Striper.
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Re: Y'all are nuts
Nov 29, 2022, 8:32 AM
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Thank you! Very well stated. It’s is obvious many of the people on here have no idea how to run an organization, much less a football team. I wish they would get on another bandwagon since they think this one is a wreck. Go cheer for SC and see how that works for you. I know, they give thousands of dollars to the university and think that gives them a right to be a coach, but that’s not the way this organization is run. The way I look at it is you’re either for us or against us……
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Good grief.
Nov 29, 2022, 9:06 AM
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"For us or against us?"
Ugh.
But youre right about on thing: It is a team. And if "Best is the Standard" for the team then why is "Imma do what's right" by DJ suddenly the point?
It just doesnt add up. Or maybe it does. Maybe DJ is the best QB.
Which ... yikes.
The one thing I have a hard time letting go of is just how much the team (any team) orbits around the QB. Bad QB play tends to bring the rest of the team down.
Yet here Dabo's saying nope, the QB needs the team to play better around him.
Guess I dont know nuthin' other than Clemson's just a good team. And apparently for Dabo, that's good enough.
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Re: Good grief.
Nov 29, 2022, 10:51 AM
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It can and does work both ways but I get the filling that the team probably feels the same way we do. Everything starts with the QB. The reason they always say, " put your best athlete at QB."
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 9:51 PM
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I’m not mad about losing, what has everyone upset is how the game was lost.. you got a qb struggling and you don’t make a change, also run game is working to perfection and you decide let the kid struggling handle all the pressure of marching us down the field for the win. It’s how you lose that is the problem if South Carolina is the better team then fine but when you don’t make a change to fix a problem and completely discard the only think working then there’s going to be some upset fans
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 9:53 PM
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Where does he get his info on the criticisms of the fans? I think I can speak for a lot of people when I say I don't care if we make the playoffs. What I want is a program that plays up to its potential. When we are 84th in passing yards per game then maybe it's time to pull your head out of your self-righteous rear end and make the change. Do your job Dabo that's what is right. Quit being mad about getting called out and actually do the right thing.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 29, 2022, 6:57 AM
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And you can judge the potential of this team better than the coaches that basically live with them???
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Does Dabo pay you a stipend?
Nov 29, 2022, 9:19 AM
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Re: Does Dabo pay you a stipend?
Nov 29, 2022, 1:01 PM
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No sir. My opinions are my own and no one else’s.
Does your mom pay you to play video games in the basement?
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Uhm....this is not good....
Nov 28, 2022, 9:55 PM
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It's pretty clear to me that Dabo is not the same person he was when he lead us to the top. The hubris in these comments is disturbing. I suspect he stays until his last kid has used up all of his eligibility and then he is gone. He'll remind us of all he accomplished, gloss over the post-2018 downward spiral and then say something like "college football has changed in ways I can't and won't adapt to". My wife loves the social aspects of these games, so we'll still buy some tickets but I won't be the 10 were carrying now. And we'll go to fewer games too and sell our tickets more frequently. It's been fun. I hope some of you got to experience the sames highs that me and my family did that oddly cool night in Tampa, but I don't expect them to return anytime soon. In the mean time, you can find me working on old German cars near the beach.
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TU for the
Nov 29, 2022, 7:39 AM
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“Old German cars by the beach”
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 9:57 PM
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Dabo of today is not the Dabo of 2008. He is stuck on himself and is out of touch with reality. There is no way he believes with his heart that DJ is his best option. He is in a bad situation because he doesn't have BV , JS, TE to get him out of trouble, Dabo is a business like manager and not a Coach. A Coach looks out for the team and not a player. Saban pulled Hurts for Tua and he was 13-0. they won CFP. Dabo is loyal for some insane reason.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 10:07 PM
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Dabo throwing up the middle fingers to everybody. Have no idea how you can justify what we saw Saturday. The offense was atrocious to be kind. Defense wasnt a whole lot better. Your way hasn't worked in 2 years Dabs. I love ya but you Have to adapt and embrace the new world that is college football.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 29, 2022, 8:48 AM
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Dang man we’re 20-5 in the past 2 years and could be 22-5 when it’s done. No that’s not perfect and I want to be better but dang! We’ve beaten SC 7 years in a row and lose this year and we’re doomed? Man get real. What kinda work you do??
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I don’t like his tone at all.
Nov 28, 2022, 10:03 PM
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It sounds like he’s making threats.
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He's on his heels, and we need to figure out why
Nov 28, 2022, 10:09 PM
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My best guess is he knows that the boosters are questioning Streeter, et al, more than they are questioning DJU. DJ is not a good QB. Dabo has to know that. Dabo is more worried about the boosters or Admin coming to him at the end of the season and 'strongly suggesting' a coordinator change.
I would advise Dabo to recall the conversations around Kevin Steele. That same tempo is about to kick up in Admin.
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Just reading it this time.
Nov 28, 2022, 11:02 PM
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I usually watch the videos, but after watching Streeter’s 15 minutes of ridiculousness today I decided to skip Dabo’s tonight.
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How do you tell "TONE" reading, then ? I swear - you are
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without question the worst poster on here. Congrats.
At least he takes ownership - unlike that doorknob Brownlee.
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Re: I don’t like his tone at all.
Jan 4, 2019, 3:25 PM
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The man is enduring more unfounded criticism than probably any of us will see in our lifetimes. Judge - you get all kinds of defensive when just a few people on here disagree with you. Think about the magnitude of criticism Dabo is dealing with. How many questions about DJ and Cade should he have to answer before getting tired of the same old crap from fans? And don’t say he hasn’t answered the questions. He answers them all. It’s just not the answers y’all want to hear.
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Re: I don’t like his tone at all.
Nov 29, 2022, 9:00 AM
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It sounds to me like he’s stating facts. It’s his job to make the decisions and he’s doing his job. You may not agree, but he’s doing his job. He stated that we’ve come a long way, not him. He’s not taking the credit and he’s not pointing a finger to blame. He sounded a lot more diplomatic than I or many of the posters on here would have sounded had we been questioned like he has.
Good luck in Charlotte Dabo!
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It's interesting that you think he was asked hard
Nov 29, 2022, 2:25 PM
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or unreasonable questions.
He sounded a lot more diplomatic than I or many of the posters on here would have sounded had we been questioned like he has.
I don't think he's been questioned enough. The media seems to feel that they can't ask him tough, pointed questions, out of fear that he will get mad at them or get their media credentials taken away.
Most of the questions Dabo gets asked are softball questions, yet he's still acted annoyed lately.
Diplomatic? Eh.
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Re: I don’t like his tone at all.
Dec 2, 2022, 11:01 AM
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Custer was quoted as saying the same thing - just before the scalping.
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Interesting, psychologically
Nov 28, 2022, 10:07 PM
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I need to preface this with: "Dabo brought me 2 Natty's and he can do whatever the heck he wants."
That said, "The process is knowing reality" kinda stuck out in all of that ramble. I think Dabo's reality is highly based on practice reps. That's OK to a point. But, DJ has really flopped in major game situations to the point of costing us wins. So, Dabo needs to address that problem.
The "reality" is also the play calling. We were wildly successful running to football. Everybody knows that. Yet we continued to force the pass, causing punting situations or INTs. This isn't some mystical voodoo hypothesis. It actually happened. We all literally saw it. Why were the pass plays called when we were A) Wildly successful running the ball, and B) Abysmal passing the ball? That's the reality. Where is the process that will deal with that reality.
I know for a fact that me and my brother (both over 50 with zero college football coaching experience) are not qualified to be offensive coordinators. But, I'll be a cockeyed ear of corn if we weren't better than Brandon Streeter on Saturday afternoon. Somebody needs to ask the important questions in Clemson.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 10:17 PM
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I would expect DJ to start on Saturday. Dabo said what I wanted to hear--he will replace DJ and go with Cade if he is performing as poorly as he did last Saturday. I appreciate that DJ is a good kid and has worked hard. I know he is far better than last year, but the fact remains that he has performed poorly in 3 of the last 5 games. Klubnik came in and saved our bacon against Syracuse. I do not think he had a proper chance against ND, and he never got in against USC despite a historically bad performance by DJ. I trust Dabo, and it is appropriate that DJ start, but he has to perform. Otherwise, it is time to move on, even if we lose to UNC. Everyone is ready to take their chances with the new guy.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 29, 2022, 6:22 AM
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Why the heck didn’t he do it Saturday when DJ was again inept and cost us the game?
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 10:23 PM
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Yes Dabo you have a 10-2 team with 12-0 talent... I hear you saying that you're doing your job and you'll do what's right. Seems you're doing what you think is right for ONE PLAYER! Now do your job and make the changes!
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 29, 2022, 7:08 AM
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12-0 talent?? That’s totally laughable. I didn’t see Tee and Mike Williams Saturday. Or TL or DW4 or ETN or Wilkins and Ferrell and Bryant and Big Dex or Mackenzie Alexander or Booth.
We may have had hopes at the beginning of the season that these guys were just as talented but it’s pretty obvious they aren’t. And don’t think anyone who had their eyes open thought the WRs were that good even at the beginning of the season.
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Nov 29, 2022, 8:29 PM
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 10:24 PM
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I don’t think anyone is trying to tell the staff how to run this program. Unfortunately it is blatantly obvious to the fans and anyone that watches Clemson football that there is a problem with the qb position as well as other positions. There is no denying Cade created excitement when he came into the Syracuse game and he went out and got the job done. He hasn’t even been given a chance since then other than 2 plays at the Clemson 6 yard line against ND. The coaches definitely have a defensive tone when questioned about their qb decision. If they feel that strongly then there shouldn’t be defiance because they should be able to easily explain their stance. All we hear is DJ has ‘earned’ the right to be the starter. How did he ‘earn’ it because it definitely doesn’t show in the games. Nobody ‘earns’ the right to keep a position. In a football game the right person for the position is the person who plays the best and it definitely does not feel that Clemson has done that. It also means that there are other coaches that can fill the positions, even of head coach. Dabo’s tone reeks of arrogance and stubbornness. His success has obviously led him to believe that his decisions cannot be questioned. No one is so great that they are above criticism!
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 10:25 PM
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And Cade should have started the ND game.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 29, 2022, 10:38 AM
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WELL SAID. No way that I could have said it any better. I get the same vibe. " You don't like my decision, fire me, I have enough money to live and will find another job". All we are asking for is that spark that he used during Syracuse.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 10:24 PM
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I’m sorry I have to take exception to the notion that DJs play was not the reason we lost the game.
Furthermore, “Cade will be ready if we need him”? What constitutes “needing him”?
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The less Dabo talks at this point,
Nov 28, 2022, 10:25 PM
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The better
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 10:25 PM
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I don’t think anyone is trying to tell the staff how to run this program. Unfortunately it is blatantly obvious to the fans and anyone that watches Clemson football that there is a problem with the qb position as well as other positions. There is no denying Cade created excitement when he came into the Syracuse game and he went out and got the job done. He hasn’t even been given a chance since then other than 2 plays at the Clemson 6 yard line against ND. The coaches definitely have a defensive tone when questioned about their qb decision. If they feel that strongly then there shouldn’t be defiance because they should be able to easily explain their stance. All we hear is DJ has ‘earned’ the right to be the starter. How did he ‘earn’ it because it definitely doesn’t show in the games. Nobody ‘earns’ the right to keep a position. In a football game the right person for the position is the person who plays the best and it definitely does not feel that Clemson has done that. It also means that there are other coaches that can fill the positions, even of head coach. Dabo’s tone reeks of arrogance and stubbornness. His success has obviously led him to believe that his decisions cannot be questioned. No one is so great that they are above criticism!
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Paw Master [17276]
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dabo keeps repeating this
Nov 28, 2022, 10:27 PM
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"And again, he's (DJ) not the reason we lost the game. He's just not."
but no matter how many times he says it..it will not change the fact that he is the reason.
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Re: dabo keeps repeating this
Nov 28, 2022, 10:29 PM
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I will agree with him on that one... Dabo is the reason. Any reasonable coach would not have put any young man in a position that he can't handle...
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Re: dabo keeps repeating this
Nov 29, 2022, 9:28 AM
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Maybe some reverse psychology would work since coach apparently reads the boards. Unless you start DJ I refuse to watch on Sat!
I miss Chase Brice.
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I keep going back to the fumble by Williams
Nov 29, 2022, 2:48 PM
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If he doesn't fumble, I believe we win the game.... but I also believe he (Williams) felt he needed to fight to get into field goal range during the return so the offense wouldn't need to.
The way he was running on that return looked almost desperate. Like he knew his QB couldn't get him the ball as a receiver.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 4, 2019, 3:31 PM
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He’s like Biden’s press secretary. Totally alternate universe. Katrina Jean-Pierre.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 29, 2022, 12:51 AM
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He’s like Biden’s press secretary. Totally alternate universe. Katrina Jean-Pierre.
If he is Biden’s press secretary then what are you and these entitled cry baby fans; peaceful protestors that burns building and riot!!
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 10:34 PM
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Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the Lord:
Though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.
--- Proverbs 16:5
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And similar others....***
Nov 28, 2022, 10:52 PM
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dabo keeps bringing up the accomplishments
Nov 28, 2022, 10:34 PM
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see thats the thing dabo....this isnt the same clemson squad you had when you first took over...you have won and you have recruited well..meaning you will be called out when the team plays like they have the past two years.
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Re: dabo keeps bringing up the accomplishments
Nov 29, 2022, 10:52 AM
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The bottom line is who had the better talent on the field?
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Orange Blooded [2138]
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Hubris is a thing***
Nov 28, 2022, 10:34 PM
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WRU has one WR with 500yds on the season.
Nov 28, 2022, 10:36 PM
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Not sure where the problem is, but there’s a problem.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 10:37 PM
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Tell it like it is Dabo.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 29, 2022, 6:24 AM
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Yep, the Coots certainly appreciate his stubbornness and ego.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 10:56 PM
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I’m baffled. Totally baffled.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 10:59 PM
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Im going to lose my mind
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So, I’m confused…
Nov 28, 2022, 11:06 PM
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Best is the standard but we shouldn’t expect the best because that’s not realistic. As Dabo said, it “doesn’t happen very often”.
As Dabo would also say, I’ll pray to God for clarity.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 11:12 PM
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Ugh. Concerning to read this. So many times he mentions himself, “I know what’s right, I’m going to do what’s right, I’m not going to listen…” Very few mentions of we, team, the coaches. Sounds like someone trying to keep his word to an individual player and regrets what he committed to relative to the team. Whatever he committed to DJ, I hope he learns from it and never does it again, with any player. CDS needs some folks in his corner who can genuinely challenge him and help him through this. All the money in sports won’t fix this.
Hope the Tigers win and win big this weekend. Winning is good. So is humility and doing it as a team. No one can do it alone. Go Tigers!
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I wonder who Dabo has in his life that can be brutally honest with him?
Nov 28, 2022, 11:35 PM
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Because it sounds like he needs some humility lately.
I never thought I would say that about Dabo. He has always been humble, grateful, and eager to improve.
Now he seems to be arrogant, defensive, and complacent.
Where did the other Dabo go?!?
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Re: I wonder who Dabo has in his life that can be brutally honest with him?
Nov 29, 2022, 12:31 AM
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Man, it’s tough to watch. The ND game should’ve been a big ol humbling. And then CDS goes and makes those comments about Tennessee flipping burgers and I was just shaking my head. Clemson has plenty to work on. Do we really need to be commenting on what other programs are doing / not doing? Hope it works itself out. I really do. I just don’t share the blind faith in our coaches that some other fans do. Lot of evidence the past couple seasons to provide reasonable doubt and concerns.
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Re: I wonder who Dabo has in his life that can be brutally honest with him?
Nov 29, 2022, 2:33 AM
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Cyndi Lauper sang, “Money Changes Everything”. When you are well on your way to making $100 million before you turn 60, you are never going to be the same person you were when you were getting started coaching and choosing to keep driving your old Chevy rather than spend bucks you don’t have on a new one. Money makes people arrogant. So does celebrity. “I know what is right” are the words of a man whose wealth detaches him further and further from reality.
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His wife
Nov 29, 2022, 11:06 AM
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 11:14 PM
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I hope that Dabo has time to rethink his statements. He is angry and does not want anyone criticizing his judgement. He has made a decision, his mind is made up and he does not want to hear the facts. At the beginning of the season, sports writers, broadcasters and other coaches mostly agreed that Clemson could not win the CFP with DJ. At some point they agreed that Dabo would switch Quarterbacks. However, for some unknown reason Dabo is resistant to change. Dabo does not like the way college football is evolving. He has been outspoken critic of NIL and transfer portal. I don't like either as well, however, the fact remains the game has changed. Success has changed Dabo. Where is the Dabo that makes the statements 'little old Clemson' he touched us all with his words and kindness. However, his remarks are only infuriating those who are upset with DJ, coaches and his resistance to change. I am not blaming DJ for the loss, there was a lot of blame to share.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 11:15 PM
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Hellfire I can't believe that coach Dabo is giving his middle finger to da fans for their opinion... And then saying if my boss doesn't like it he can fire me sounds like a spoiled little brat lets get one thing straight coach fans have da right to complain and if your skin is so thin that you forgot about da fire in each person's belly to be angry then you have a problem don't preach to this 60 year fan I knew Coach Howard and at least he would listen...
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 29, 2022, 12:24 PM
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Shut the **** up and get back on the coot message board where you belong. And no disrespect intended but remind me exactly how many National Championships did we win under Coach Howard??
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Shows the lack of flexibility of an authoritarian leader...
Nov 28, 2022, 11:23 PM
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Sweeney's recent downfall - too rigid to change mind.
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He mentioned the pick CK had against ND.
Nov 28, 2022, 11:28 PM
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DJ threw an INT on a screen pass against Pitt, didn't he? Am I remembering that right?
Why call the play for Cade in that situation and why not give him the same leeway DJ has gotten?
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 28, 2022, 11:54 PM
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Such interesting comments. It appears Coach is not into what will work as much as he is into what he thinks is right. "Right" is a very nebulous word. It can mean what is effective, or what is morally correct. I would assume, given the Coach's very evident religious faith, that he is speaking at least 50% on the moral side. He wants to succeed as much as any of us want him to, and he probably thinks he can be right both ways by going with his gut and staying the course.
He also refers to having a family feel within the overall organization, another way of saying the coaching staff isn't at risk at this time.
DJ is his guy unless/until DJ crashes and incinerates. Unless I have lost track, DJ hs one more year if he wishes to remain at Clemson. He would be a fool in a strong QB draft year to go early after his very spotty performance in 2022. Hard to go from 5 star to 3rd or 4th round in the draft. So we may have another year to watch, or perhaps avert our gaze, as DJ's development sort of continues.
The real question is what would Saban do in Dabo's situation. Saban is the gold standard. I assume that while Saban would always defend his boys with the media, he would be doing some serious out of view butt-kicking with the coaching staff and players. Perhaps Dabo is doing the same.
Coach Dabo will clearly do it his way, whatever that is. However things turn out, he won't ever go hungry. Hunger doesn't happen with a long term mega-sized coaching contract. Being set for life would make it easier for anyone to hunker down in their righteousness instead of being an upstart with something to prove. Coach Swinney's success has earned him the right to be wrong, or to prove know-it-all's like me wrong. We'll see how the final two games go. Things will get much more interesting around here if Clemson embarrasses itself on the national stage.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 29, 2022, 12:34 PM
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Why is what would Saban do be the real question? Last time I checked at this stage in their careers Dabo is holding his own vs Saban who is older and been in it longer. For Clemson, Dabo is the standard and last time I checked he was still the head coach. It’s his job to run his program and his alone. He hires who he wants working for him and I’ve seen him replace people that didn’t get the job done for him. I think the real question is why can’t the spoiled Clemson fans let Coach Sweeney do his job?
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 29, 2022, 3:13 PM
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n competed in the SEC against real teams while we flounder in the minor league teams in the ACC and struggled to beat Furman Look at our record the last few years Ohio State LSU etc and they have whipped our butts
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 29, 2022, 1:39 PM
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“However things turn out, he won't ever go hungry. Hunger doesn't happen with a long term mega-sized coaching contract.”
well said. A 10 win season is good enough to let the contract flow regardless how ugly the wins are.
Coach’s mindset has changed but the fans’ has not.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 29, 2022, 12:05 AM
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I truly can’t listen to anymore of his BS.
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#### I love it when Dabo shows up ready to fight.
Nov 29, 2022, 12:21 AM
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Go Tigers!!
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 29, 2022, 12:23 AM
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I can't understand why nobody has figured it out. We've always known Dabo was stubborn, but this time that's not the case. If Cade can't unseat DJ , Dabo and the staff have missed on evaluating another QB. He's buying time and hoping Vizzina is the guy.
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Dabo changes the subject, answering questions nobody asked
Nov 29, 2022, 12:44 AM
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The caller asked Dabo if it's time for him to make changes due to the lack of a passing attack for 2 years. Dabo didn't answer the question by discussing, for example, his thoughts on the performance of Streeter, Grisham, QBs, WRs, TEs, RBs, any plans to revamp passing schemes, etc. Instead indignant-Dabo's irrelevant reply was that he doesn't care what anybody thinks, he's going to do what's right, and they can fire me, and if you fire the head coach every time you don't win a natty, you'll be firing a lot of coaches, we've been consistent, 10-2 used to bring happiness, blah, blah, blah, irrelevant, blah. We all have that worn-out narrative memorized. How about answering the actual question?
On Sunday, Larry Williams asked Dabo, "Can you share how you're moving forward with the quarterback situation this week? Is DJ still the guy?"
Dabo snapped back, "So are you asking me if he's the reason we lost?" (What a d-head response!) When Larry politely said no, then angry-Dabo still answered the question that Larry didn't ask, saying that DJ doesn't catch the ball or play safety or return kicks, blah, blah, blah, irrelevant blah. Dabo didn't give any real information about how they would move forward, for example, with practice, evaluation, possible packages for Klubnik, etc.
https://youtu.be/nSTelvpm1e4?t=496
It's like watching a politician being asked a tough question. They don't answer. They just say what THEY want to talk about.
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Rival Killer [2618]
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Exactamundo. Neff, I hope you’re paying attention.
Nov 29, 2022, 2:45 AM
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Because he straight up challenged you.
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Re: Dabo changes the subject, answering questions nobody asked
Nov 29, 2022, 12:54 PM
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You need to listen to it again…. Dabo answered the question Larry asked and then stated that DJ didn’t catch the ball, return kicks, etc. I did not think Dabo sounded angry. I would have sounded angry and Larry and everyone else would have know I was angry with everybody continually questioning my decisions. I admire Dabo for his professionalism under the circumstances. How would you like to be at the highest level of your profession and have people that have no idea of how to run your job telling you what you should be doing??? Could you answer that for me calmly?
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Game Changer [1784]
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Re: Dabo changes the subject, answering questions nobody asked
Nov 29, 2022, 3:49 PM
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Dabo did NOT answer the question about passing game changes, nor about how they would move forward with the QB situation (except to say DJ is the starter, if you consider that an answer to "how").
The people who asked Dabo the simple, reasonable questions did NOT try to tell Dabo how to do his job.
On one hand you say Dabo didn't sound angry. (I watched it several times and I disagree.) On the other hand you justified an angry response by asking if I could possibly remain calm when somebody it telling me how to do my job. Not sure why you would justify an angry response if you didn't also feel that it was an angry response.
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Letterman [157]
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 29, 2022, 5:07 AM
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Exactly what a head coach should say. Some of this fan base are just plain rotten. Babies that are so delusional they think they deserve a perfect football team. What Dabo said was plain and simple. If you are CFP or bust be prepared to bust. If you are natty or bust be prepared to bust. Celebrate the success this team has accomplished and realize each year is a different team. 128 teams will not make the playoffs and the ones that do had a VERY SPECIAL season. Tennessee has one of the best offense that college football has seen and they sit with the same record we have. Only 5 teams have won more games than Clemson this year, yet these babies are throwing tantrums. EMBARRASSING!
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Tiger Cub [10]
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 29, 2022, 6:13 AM
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What was embarrassing was an injured 37% QB,(28%) giving him credit for the three that were dropped, continuing to play whereas in two previous games the QB made 2-3 bad throws, an interception, and he was benched. Most of the time hurt players don't play. Also embarrassing was the freedom and amount of time Rattler had to throw the ball. Pressure on the QB was non existent.
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Tiger Cub [10]
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 29, 2022, 5:51 AM
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Yes, we all know how stubborn Swinney is. It doesn't matter what is right, replacing DJ, but what in his mind he thinks is right. Also, his relentless unyielding to adopt a more diversified , open offense. However with a 28% QB ,it doesn't make much difference. He is making a wrong choice either way.
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Recruit [81]
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 29, 2022, 5:54 AM
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I am so grateful for Coach Sweeney and for all that he has done. That being said, I don’t understand (or appreciate) his unending defense of one player at the expense of others. And, maybe it’s just me, but something has seemed “off” about CDS since summer camp. How many times have we heard “Best is the Standard”, “The Best Is Yet to Come”, or any of the super hopeful, super positive statements he has used to shape and brand this program? To me, his countenance has been different. He doesn’t look like he has enjoyed the journey this year. He doesn’t look like he’s had had “fun in the winning” even though 10 games have been won. Could it be he’s simply known what we’ve seen play out: The overall talent isn’t National Championship level anymore.
In regards to the game with Scar, two things: (1) The game was an example of “The Portal” beating “The Non-Portal.” And (2) What I’ve been waiting for does not seem to be forthcoming: “Best is still the standard, and too often - especially today - we simply have not played up to the standard this year. And that’s 100% on me as the head coach. I apologize to the team, the staff, the university, and the fan base. I will work to fix what needs to be fixed.”
Winning is hard. We get it. Handling adversity by allowing it to polish you up and not grind you up is still true. And it’s true for the head coach just as it is for the players.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 29, 2022, 9:32 AM
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Anyone remember when Trevor was here Dabo made the comment DJ makes Trevor look average. I remember the interview. If he does not start Cade Saturday we lose. I said it for the Gamecocks game prior as well. He will not play him for one simple reason now. If Cade shreds the NC defense fans will be even more pissed at what could have been. 8/29 put us in the spot we were in last Saturday. DJ may practice well but there is no way Cade would have been worse. If DJ can get 50 yards running what does anyone think a more mobile more accurate QB would get. Am I disappointed heck yes. I would like to see alternate quarters with each and the starters Cade deserves it.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 29, 2022, 9:32 AM
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Anyone remember when Trevor was here Dabo made the comment DJ makes Trevor look average. I remember the interview. If he does not start Cade Saturday we lose. I said it for the Gamecocks game prior as well. He will not play him for one simple reason now. If Cade shreds the NC defense fans will be even more pissed at what could have been. 8/29 put us in the spot we were in last Saturday. DJ may practice well but there is no way Cade would have been worse. If DJ can get 50 yards running what does anyone think a more mobile more accurate QB would get. Am I disappointed heck yes. I would like to see alternate quarters with each and the starters Cade deserves it.
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Paw Warrior [4751]
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These remarks are the worst and frustrating
Nov 29, 2022, 6:28 AM
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He’s made in my opinion. I LOVE Dabo but he’s coming across as arrogant, stubborn, and almost mean.
“I’m going to do it my way or the Highway” which at the end of the day is his right but he needs to be more thoughtful about how that comes across. Maybe he’s as frustrated as we are. I imagine that’s why. He can see his way isn’t working. Look if we were in almost any other conference we would have way more losses. He’s lucky he’s in the ACC where we put talent almost everyone and get to 9 or 10 wins. Otherwise his attitude would go out the window. He wouldn’t be so comfy because the losses would start to pile up way faster than they do here in the ACC.
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Top TigerNet [31186]
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Pride goeth before a fall.
Nov 29, 2022, 8:03 AM
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Hubris Level - Boss
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Orange Elite [5594]
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Lets hope not. I'm pulling for him to right this ship.***
Nov 29, 2022, 10:35 AM
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Freshman [0]
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 29, 2022, 9:04 AM
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This is why we hired him...it is the culture he has created! We either ride with him and win (most of the time) or become mediocre like the teams we play.
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Athletic Dir [1138]
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How can he bring up Cade's interception at ND in the same
Nov 29, 2022, 9:09 AM
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breath as saying that DJ did not lose the game. I feel like I'm in the twilight zone. This is just so unusual.
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Letterman [260]
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 29, 2022, 10:22 AM
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DJ reminds me of a QB that I coach that was scared of what he's daddy was going to say. When he made a mistake he would turn and look at his father. That's whats DJ looks in the pocket. Scared, Freeze's in the pocket. He never rolls out or moves up in the pocket.
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Letterman [260]
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 29, 2022, 10:25 AM
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Never seen anything like this. Just don't understand how they think DJ looks normal in the pocket. Even when he has a decent game, it still looks like it was a struggle.
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Letterman [260]
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 29, 2022, 10:27 AM
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I guess Dabo is telling everyone this is what you're going to have next year because it's not Cade's is not ready.
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Game Changer [1757]
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 29, 2022, 2:50 PM
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I think that is exactly what Dabo is saying....Cade's not ready.
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Letterman [260]
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 29, 2022, 12:38 AM
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I guess Dabo is telling everyone this is what you're going to have next year because it's not Cade's is not ready.
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MVP [525]
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 29, 2022, 12:34 PM
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For those who think Dabo has lost his mind & the program is doomed get a life. This program is not about your ego nor Dabo’s for that matter (if he even has one). It’s about the student athletes and the University family as a whole. The football program is adjusting to some major changes in the sport and still trying to maintain its culture and identity. So have a little faith and patience. Your bragging rights will resume soon enough and we’ll all be the better for it.
That being said DJ’s play on Sat was deplorable but he’d be the first to say it. The receivers played even worse. Ngata alone had 3 drops including one probable TD. Most of what DJ threw were catchable balls though he did overthrow a lot -a sure sign of anxiety. The O-line I thought played very well with excellent run blocking and good pass protection. DJ had plenty of time to read and throw it seemed to me. Many times he didn’t have to move at all with 5-6 sec to unload. There were several passes that went to GG but I’ll bet it was because the receiver ran a bad route. Allen fell down on a seam route on a pass that was intercepted. Had he kept his feet and caught it probably 6. Yeah that TE seam route everyone was bitchin’ about that we should be going to.
One more thing - if you think history doesn’t matter I’ll say 2 things: one is you’re too young to remember it and your teachers ain’t been teaching it because THEY know it’s important and don’t want you to know that; second is yeah history is important’cuz it’s the foundation that this program and University was built on, the “culture” here that everyone brags on that makes Clemson unique. It didn’t start with Dabo though I’m proud of the way he has advanced it. And notice how many other times you hear references to “the culture” of sports programs here & there. That talk started with Dabo & Clemson.
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Standout [241]
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 29, 2022, 3:08 PM
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By that logic we should bring back Danny Ford
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Standout [241]
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Nov 29, 2022, 3:06 PM
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I say this as a long term fan and defender of Dabo but his breath taking arrogance has changed that We have seen him shuck and jive and aw shucks we won when we have barely scraped by against far inferior team for 2 years As alum (83) and someone that has played and coached I saw systemic problems after our LSU beat down but Dabo continued to gas light us For a million bucks a game the buck stops with him his coaches and yes the NFL trainees with big NIL contracts Its not a childs sport its a business and as CEO Dabo better wake up and realize his bosses are the donors fans and taxpayers who fund his ridiculous salary and all those perks (as well as all those same coaches and our new AD) Dabo is simply not who he used to be (and as he rests on his laurels remind me again what his record was the first couple of years) By his logic we should bring Danny Ford back The game with NIL and the portal has changed and Dabos refusal to change with the times is driving us to obscurity Clemson is bigger than his ego and will be here long after he is gone Can we expect that Dabo will refund the IPTAY money that has paid him? Withhold your donations (my annual substantial donation wont be in the mail this year) and remind the newly arrogant Dabo that HE WORKS FOR US "Those the Gods destroy they first make proud"
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Standout [241]
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 29, 2022, 3:17 PM
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Thats what Custer said too
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Rock Defender [70]
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 29, 2022, 4:25 PM
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People just keep saying it is only two losses. Anyone who honestly evaluates this offense knows it is a complete fluke and an extremely easy schedule that led us to 10-2. A forward pass completion of more than 3 yards should NOT be a once-per-game occurrence. There are teams that are unranked which complete 10 yard forward passes on EVERY possession.
I would be happy with a 7-5 record if we were playing our hearts out, being innovative, playing four quarters as if we actually enjoy the game of football, CATCHING THE DANG BALL!!! I have been watching Clemson football since the mid 90s and I honestly can't remember a time that we could not complete a significant forward pass even once per quarter.
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Freshman [10]
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 29, 2022, 4:11 PM
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I think that we all need to be quit we are not the coach Dabo does not get paid millions for no reason we are 10,2 i think that's a pretty good season.
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Recruit [97]
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 29, 2022, 8:18 PM
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we must be able to block on offense in order for our QB-- TO LOOK like a decent QB no matter who shows up @ QB.
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National Champion [7194]
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Re: TNET: Swinney on QB decision: 'I'm never going to compromise what I think is right'
Nov 30, 2022, 5:07 PM
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Even if it hurts the team.
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