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TNET: Reports: ESPN to pick up ACC contract through 2036, ACC plan proposed for Clemson 'brand'
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Jan 30, 2025, 9:52 AM
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Re: TNET: Reports: ESPN to pick up ACC contract through 2036, ACC plan proposed for Clemson 'brand'
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Jan 30, 2025, 9:56 AM
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If we agree to drop the lawsuits and stay at least another 6 years, I fear too much disparity will occur in that time and we will essentially become the upper end of the have-nots and relegated there for decades if not forever.
We have to get out.
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Re: TNET: Reports: ESPN to pick up ACC contract through 2036, ACC plan proposed for Clemson 'brand'
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Jan 30, 2025, 10:02 AM
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But… if we can’t get out, it may be a good compromise until 2031. I trust the Clemson administration to make the correct decisions this time around. I really think that we were caught off guard with the exorbitant contracts which were offered to the BIG and SUC.
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Re: TNET: Reports: ESPN to pick up ACC contract through 2036, ACC plan proposed for Clemson 'brand'
Jan 30, 2025, 11:52 AM
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Like we trusted them when they signed a deal that was literally twice as long as everyone else? I'm not saying that the money wasn't okay when they signed it, but the length of time, giving ESecPN an option, and not saying something when the extension was signed without a vote? I, for one, do not trust the administration at this point.
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Re: TNET: Reports: ESPN to pick up ACC contract through 2036, ACC plan proposed for Clemson 'brand'
Jan 30, 2025, 2:20 PM
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It's not twice as long as everyone else's. The SEC contract runs through 2034.
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Jan 30, 2025, 3:17 PM
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Yes, but it was signed in 2016. It's a 20-year deal. Asinine.
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Jan 30, 2025, 4:16 PM
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The sec's deal was signed around that time too.
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Jan 30, 2025, 10:05 AM
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I definitely understand your point of view, but I would hate to see CU leave for a conference that is not connected to our geographic area. I know California, Stanford, and SMU have been added to the ACC and are not geographically connected to the ACC but CU playing in the Big 10 doesn’t appeal to me. Now if we are talking about joining the SEC, I am on board with that!
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Re: TNET: Reports: ESPN to pick up ACC contract through 2036, ACC plan proposed for Clemson 'brand'
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Jan 30, 2025, 10:11 AM
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I agree. If we do leave for another conference, I would strongly prefer the SUC (which I totally hate). We have historically relevant rivals in our geographical area.
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Re: TNET: Reports: ESPN to pick up ACC contract through 2036, ACC plan proposed for Clemson 'brand'
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Jan 30, 2025, 10:14 AM
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As I posted below, I don't see us going anywhere. People act like it's up to our administration and suitors b1g and sec are begging us to join. Imo, that's simply just not the case. It'd be good for us, but the value we add to their conference is just not there.
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Re: TNET: Reports: ESPN to pick up ACC contract through 2036, ACC plan proposed for Clemson 'brand'
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Jan 30, 2025, 10:34 AM
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Yeah until the end of their current TV deal. They aren't going to add anyone before the current deal runs out bc the SEC schools aren't going to agree to getting less money but when a new deal is being negotiated adding Clemson, FSU, Miami and say a UNC you can't say with a straight faces that doesn't bring something more for the SEC. Quit thinking TV markets. If you're thinking TV markets you're stuck in the 1930s. And in 2030 who knows what watching college football will entail.
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Re: TNET: Reports: ESPN to pick up ACC contract through 2036, ACC plan proposed for Clemson 'brand'
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Jan 30, 2025, 3:50 PM
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I definitely understand your point of view, but I would hate to see CU leave for a conference that is not connected to our geographic area. I know California, Stanford, and SMU have been added to the ACC and are not geographically connected to the ACC but CU playing in the Big 10 doesn’t appeal to me. Now if we are talking about joining the SEC, I am on board with that!
Biggest bet is joining the B1G, SEC has proven the last two years to suck and they keep on sucking. Anyone thinking otherwise is an idiot.
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Re: TNET: Reports: ESPN to pick up ACC contract through 2036, ACC plan proposed for Clemson 'brand'
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Jan 30, 2025, 10:10 AM
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Yeah, with all the rumors floating around about unc and puppies leaving is looking more like just that, rumors.
I agree with you, looking like we're locked in at least through 2031. With the payment legislation and scholarships lawsuits, sounds like we may be acc bound .
One thing that would help drastically is this bill by Ted Cruz. See link below. Even with all that said, we'll still be at a disadvantage. It's taking effect on recruiting too. I'm praying that some of our recruiting woes were coaching woes, or lack thereof. Bottom line, it all comes down to the Jimmy and Joe's. And yes, recruiting stars matter.
https://www.axios.com/2025/01/28/ted-cruz-name-image-likeness-ncaa-nil
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Re: TNET: Reports: ESPN to pick up ACC contract through 2036, ACC plan proposed for Clemson 'brand'
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Jan 30, 2025, 12:17 PM
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From the article:
NIL laws currently vary by state, which lawmakers fear could drive inequities for athletes and universities, and a bad fan experience.
Sounds like the CFB version of Diversity, Equity and Inclusion.
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Re: TNET: Reports: ESPN to pick up ACC contract through 2036, ACC plan proposed for Clemson 'brand'
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Jan 30, 2025, 10:13 AM
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Of course ESPN picked up the option. They are getting the ACC's media rights for pennies compared to other conference deals. Grrrrr I hate them.
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Re: TNET: Reports: ESPN to pick up ACC contract through 2036, ACC plan proposed for Clemson 'brand'
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Jan 30, 2025, 10:34 AM
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Pennies? Does the ACC generate TV $ like the SEC or B1G? No…So why should the ACC get the same contract?
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Re: TNET: Reports: ESPN to pick up ACC contract through 2036, ACC plan proposed for Clemson 'brand'
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Jan 30, 2025, 12:57 PM
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Do Clemson games generate an equal TV audience as the SEC or Big 10 teams do, I say yes, we do when we're playing against teams with a heartbeat and those teams are usually top SEC teams, and that should create an interest for the SEC...
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Re: TNET: Reports: ESPN to pick up ACC contract through 2036, ACC plan proposed for Clemson 'brand'
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Jan 30, 2025, 2:22 PM
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Honestly no we don't.
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Re: TNET: Reports: ESPN to pick up ACC contract through 2036, ACC plan proposed for Clemson 'brand'
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Jan 30, 2025, 3:00 PM
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Take a look at this study of 2024 college football viewing.
A couple of my take aways. The ACC fell behind the Big12 in total number of viewers. This is largely because ACC schools whether they are good or not have smaller schools and inherently have smaller fanbases/likely viewers as a result. It might mean that if we were not invited to the SEC of Big10 we still might do better with a lateral move (frying pan into the fire) to the Big12.
In the regular season we only pulled a top 5 viewership one time which to me is strongly linked to the strength of our opponent and was billed as a clash of titans. Sadly the game did not turnout that way. Still if Clemson stays in the ACC and wants more viewers it should schedule bigger names for nonconference games.
Clemson is still in the top 15 most viewed college teams in spite of having one of the smaller fan bases.
https://collegefootballnetwork.com/2024-college-football-tv-ratings/
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Jan 30, 2025, 4:12 PM
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It's a great deal for them and not surprisingly they took the option. That's that. It was pretty funny when people here speculated they wouldn't pick it up. They screwed the ACC all the way to the bank. I never said he ACC should get as much as the SEC but we should darn sure get way more than we are getting and certainly should be locked in a two decade contract that barely grows in value.
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Re: TNET: Reports: ESPN to pick up ACC contract through 2036, ACC plan proposed for Clemson 'brand'
Jan 30, 2025, 4:24 PM
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Should NOT be locked in a two decade contract***
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Re: TNET: Reports: ESPN to pick up ACC contract through 2036, ACC plan proposed for Clemson 'brand'
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Jan 30, 2025, 10:15 AM
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If that deal works out, it would be awesome. Staying in the ACC has likely always been the goal if income could be redirected. A perk of the possibility of having more games with Notre Dame would be the icing on the cake.
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Re: TNET: Reports: ESPN to pick up ACC contract through 2036, ACC plan proposed for Clemson 'brand'
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Jan 30, 2025, 3:28 PM
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It's the same deal we already had
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Re: TNET: Reports: ESPN to pick up ACC contract through 2036, ACC plan proposed for Clemson 'brand'
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Jan 30, 2025, 10:26 AM
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I have zero trust in the ACC director Jim Phillips after hearing his hairbrained ideas. Clemson and FSU should remain strong on leaving the ACC. Somehow UNC will weasel their way out ahead of them if their lawsit is dropped.
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Re: TNET: Reports: ESPN to pick up ACC contract through 2036, ACC plan proposed for Clemson 'brand'
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Jan 30, 2025, 10:28 AM
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I sorta see it this way. The best solution is probably to fix the ACC (if at all possible). The grass is not necessarily greener in the SEC of Big10 where little ole Clemson might find itself as an annual also ran. The postitive of the ACC (even in terms of money) is that Clemson is unquestionably the top football school. This gives Clemson alot of leverage. I am not convinced that Clemson would fare better in a conference that houses a multitude of big money schools with much larger fan bases to aid their clout. Blindly jumping in with visions of more money will not make a bigger better program a reality.
My question is this. Would we as fans be happy as fans if Clemson makes alot more money, but only makes a CFP appearance once every ten years? I am not saying that would happen, but it certainly could. We get wound up about the SEC and can rattle on about them (or the BIG) being overrated and ESPN/AP voters favoring them above everybody. However, there is no denying that they have alot of really good football schools that could make the playoff nearly every year if they were not in the BIG or the SEC. They all might make more money than us, but there is also the component that all those schools know their fans want to see playoff appearances and championships.
Look at LSU...great football school. There's no denying that. They have made the CFP in just one season. Auburn has a great tradition and has no appearances. PennState has made one appearance. You can look at a number of schools with great histories of being great places for football that have not made it often or at all. Clemson as the top ACC school has made it 7 times and only two other ACC schools (FSU and SMU) have ever made it in at all. I guess I am saying that if the AP, Coaches polls, and the CFP are as biased as many of us think then the best way to combat that is to snag the guaranteed CFP berth through winning the ACC. Then let winning out from there do the talking and money making for us.
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Re: TNET: Reports: ESPN to pick up ACC contract through 2036, ACC plan proposed for Clemson 'brand'
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Jan 30, 2025, 10:45 AM
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Devil's advocate. What would be the point of making the playoffs every year, if we don't have the talent to win once we get there? I know everyone here has noticed that there has been a drop off in the ranking of our recruiting classes. Now, I know someone is going to say rankings don't matter. And maybe they don't. I do know that the years we were in the National title hunt every year, were years we have top 10, and even top 5 classes. We have just a handful of talent from those elite classes left.And right now, we are losing commits because we are getting outbid but Georgia freaking Tech. Revenue share is coming, that will help. But, if we do not find some way to bridge the gap between us and programs like Texas and Ohio State we are going to be happy with just making the playoffs one day. Now, going to the SEC would not completely bridge the gap, but it would get us closer. We have to find ways to get more money for recruits. QB recruiting has fallen, a lot. We used to get 5 stars and high 4 stars. As much as I like that kid from Florida we signed this year, he is a 3 star no big program wanted, that we signed when our commit left us for ND. We need to be able to shell out millions for a top QB recruit. That is just the way it is now. During our run, we never won on player development. We won with top recruiting. And, as it is now, we can't do that anymore.
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Re: TNET: Reports: ESPN to pick up ACC contract through 2036, ACC plan proposed for Clemson 'brand'
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Jan 30, 2025, 11:21 AM
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I do not disagree. I am saying the solution is not as simple as just jumping to a new conference.
Let's take the coots for example. They might have done better this last year than we did with NIL and transfers, but what has the program ever accomplished? It is no secret that Clemson has struggled with adjusting to NIL and I think our staff was a bit naive when it came to protecting recruits. Not that I have an inside track, but I kinda think that after a player was signed our guys thought it was in the bag and did not give it much more thought. The new model means that even after a commit you have to keep recruiting that kid until they walk on the field. I suspect we did not do that, but I think after last year they learned their lesson.
In regard to SC they never get the recruits that Alabama, Georgia, LSU, and others get in the SEC. they hug the bottom of the SC most years. Success to them is not losing more than 50% and the occasional year they manage to beat us. Why would that be? Could it be that SC never gets to the playoffs? Could it be that their success is truncated every year by the lack of any sort of sustained performance? Maiking the CFP has a big impact in terms of both publicity and desirability to recruits.
I just happen to think that if the ACC suceeds we suceed. Jumping into another conference puts us in the back seat unless it is a lateral move. That would have been much different if we were able to move before the big realignment that just happened. Let's say we jumped at the height of our success until waiting for the fall of starting with the last year of Lawrence's tenior. Strategically I think letting the ACC playout with a better profit sharing model is likely the best option at this point.
My last prediction about this is the the CFP will iron out talent. The also ran conferences are going to get better because now they can recruit based on CFP berths...
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Re: TNET: Reports: ESPN to pick up ACC contract through 2036, ACC plan proposed for Clemson 'brand'
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Jan 30, 2025, 10:30 AM
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I just don't know if the other schools are going to go for what I think is being said here. They are basically saying that the ACC is potential going to set up a revenue distribution model that rewards Clemson and FSU far more than any other schools in the conference. Now, maybe UNC and Miami are included. Since UNC is a national brand, and Miami seems to want to compete in football. But, are the rest of the schools AD's going to sign off on this. In an era of both NIL and revenue redistribution to athletes? Maybe they don't have a choice. Maybe they see the writing on the wall. That keeping the teams that can compete nationally in football is the only way they stay in a P4 conference. Because if Clemson, FSU, UNC, and Miami leave, the ACC is a G5 conference. This would be good for Clemson, but I am dubious that the rest of the conference will have the pragmatism to see this is the only way forward for the ACC, rather than see it as an insult.
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Only way that they'd go for it is.
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Jan 30, 2025, 10:41 AM
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How much would the ACC Payout drop WITHOUIT Clemson/FSU. They leave,ESPN is not going to pay the same. Without them,the ACC will be getting AAC $$$$ ?
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we are screwed***
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Re: we are screwed***
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This "brand fund" some articles are talking about that could be split between Clemson,FSU,Miami, and UNC what will that amount to? Maybe a million additional a year. Clemson and FSU would be crazy to sign off on this. What the #### has Miami and UNC won in football?
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Re: we are screwed***
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Jan 30, 2025, 1:15 PM
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Plus, how much money has Miami and UNC invested in the lawsuit that we had to file to wake the ACC up where Clemson and FSU were concerned.
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Re: TNET: Reports: ESPN to pick up ACC contract through 2036, ACC plan proposed for Clemson 'brand'
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Jan 30, 2025, 12:24 PM
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SUPER ROUGH back of the envelope math using 2022-2023 revenue. Average pay disparity per team between ACC and SEC is $10M
If the desire of this "brand revenue" pot is to make those 4 schools earn as much as their SEC brethren, that would requre about a 5-6% reduction in revenue for the other schools in a time where schools are going to be scrambling for more revenue. I can't see that as an easy sell but possible.
As we all have heard the disparity will only grow with the expanded playoffs and the new TV deals the SEC and B10 are getting.
If it is to be believed that the average disparity will become $30M, then again using 2022-2023 revenue that means the non-brand schools would need to take approximately a 15% revenue cut to keep the brand schools on par with SEC/B10 averages
NO WAY that happens. Any non-brand AD/Pres voting to approve that should be fired for lack of fiduciary duty.
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Re: TNET: Reports: ESPN to pick up ACC contract through 2036, ACC plan proposed for Clemson 'brand'
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Jan 30, 2025, 12:37 PM
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When their programs are relegated to 2nd/3rd tier the 15% haircut will look like a bargain.
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Re: TNET: Reports: ESPN to pick up ACC contract through 2036, ACC plan proposed for Clemson 'brand'
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Jan 30, 2025, 12:40 PM
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I'd say they are already 2nd/3rd tier now, partly because they arent being noted as a "brand" school. Partly because they arent competitive and/or smaller schools
So if they are already 2nd/3rd tier, taking a 15% revenue haircut would just be irresponsible to agree to it and also make it MUCH harder for them to climb out of 2nd/3rd tier.
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Re: TNET: Reports: ESPN to pick up ACC contract through 2036, ACC plan proposed for Clemson 'brand'
Jan 30, 2025, 12:50 PM
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They have a “path” to the playoff now. Even if it’s a pipe dream for most of them. If the ACC implodes they are even worse off.
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Re: TNET: Reports: ESPN to pick up ACC contract through 2036, ACC plan proposed for Clemson 'brand'
Jan 30, 2025, 1:17 PM
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I see what you are saying and there is truth in that.
I guess I don't see any Pres/AD voting to make it harder on their school to compete in all sports by taking away millions of dollars just when revenue share starts and most are having trouble keeping up now.
That is unless they are voting for it because they are afraid Clemson/FSU will actually win their lawsuits thus cratering the ACC and leaving them with broken conference that will demand a much lower TV deal, thus less revenue and then their hole gets deeper. Then it would make sense to avoid the toilet bowl syndrome
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Re: TNET: Reports: ESPN to pick up ACC contract through 2036, ACC plan proposed for Clemson 'brand'
Jan 30, 2025, 1:25 PM
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They all knew years and years ago that FB brought in the most revenue, and they chose to stick with building their basketball program over building the program that earns the most money if they can compete, but they chose to suck from the teat that was making the most milk like Clemson or FSU...
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Re: TNET: Reports: ESPN to pick up ACC contract through 2036, ACC plan proposed for Clemson 'brand'
Jan 30, 2025, 1:29 PM
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Totally agree, although I would add in that some schools thought their FB potential was higher than it really is (VT, NCSU)
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Why in the h*ll would Clemson sign this?***
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Re: Why in the h*ll would Clemson sign this?***
Jan 30, 2025, 3:30 PM
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We agreed to this in 2016. All of the ACC schools did.
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Here comes the guinea pig of
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Premier league and relegation in college sports
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Re: TNET: Reports: ESPN to pick up ACC contract through 2036, ACC plan proposed for Clemson 'brand'
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Jan 30, 2025, 1:15 PM
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This is highly concerning. As someone above mentioned. This just puts us at the top of the have nots. The B1G/SEC revenues from their TV deals are significantly more than the ACC. Also with the expansion of the playoff it is benefiting those conferences even more in revenue. It doesn't appear there is a way out and hopefully this doesn't drastically impact the program in the years to come. I cannot believe the ESPN agreed to pickup the contract.
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Feel like this was the best option for all parties.
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Jan 30, 2025, 1:32 PM
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ESPN gets to retain a current product.
ACC can resolve the ongoing litigation w/ Clemson & FSU.
The brand & success initiatives, along with a presumed reduction in exit fee/GOR penalty, serves as benefit to the schools with most value, while the lesser schools are able to ensure decent media $ for foreseeable future (a reduced payout under the ACC deal would still be better than being relegated to G5 payout)
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Paw Warrior [4611]
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Re: TNET: Reports: ESPN to pick up ACC contract through 2036, ACC plan proposed for Clemson 'brand'
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Jan 30, 2025, 1:43 PM
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Don't forget that SEC and B10 also get a larger share of the playoff pie and are currently pushing for even more.
Add a growing disparity in TV revenue, a shrinking playoff payout for the ACC which may get worse, a reduced GOR exit fee in 6yrs and now the non-brand ACC schools will pony up some of their money to make us happy and the lawsuit go away?
I just don't see whats in it for the non-brand ACC school outside having a gradual ease into permanent have-not status.
I say we need to continue to fight to get out and not settle for an extra helping of porridge while the SEC/B10 are setting up for their annual surf n turf party. The ACC is weight that is holding us back and will drag us down.
Whats best for ESPN is almost assuredly NOT in the best interest of Clemson
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Legend [6999]
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Re: TNET: Reports: ESPN to pick up ACC contract through 2036, ACC plan proposed for Clemson 'brand'
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Jan 30, 2025, 2:21 PM
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Over half of the ACC is comprised of schools that are completely irrelevant football wise. If they lose this ACC deal they basically cease to exist athletically because nobody else will pay them one cent for their TV rights. If they can instead agree to take a smaller cut to keep the gravy train rolling then that's what they will do. As you say, it's a bit of a slow death but better to live and fight another day then have to disband entirely.
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Paw Warrior [4611]
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Re: TNET: Reports: ESPN to pick up ACC contract through 2036, ACC plan proposed for Clemson 'brand'
Jan 30, 2025, 3:39 PM
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I understand wanting to live for another day and that what may give them pause and vote for this. I think its more likely they vote for this because they are scared we might actually win in the courts. Which if true means we shouldn't agree to it and take our chances
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Paw Warrior [4611]
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Re: TNET: Reports: ESPN to pick up ACC contract through 2036, ACC plan proposed for Clemson 'brand'
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Jan 30, 2025, 3:46 PM
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So what happens when this gets approved and it creates a big talent divide within the conference. If schools can't compete in FB in the ACC now, having less money makes it even harder if not impossible.
Play that out a year or two and the ACC becomes a conference with an ever wider gap between the top and the middle teams, making us look worse against other conferences and and the ACC even bigger joke. Then whats to stop the SEC/B10 from removing our automatic qualifier because we are a hapless conference closer to the Group of 5 than to the SEC/B10? We then leave our playoff fates to a bunch of nitwits that lock themselves in a hotel room in Grapevine Texas.
This may work for us in the very short term but it can quickly drag us down.
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'Relatively stable,' you say?
Jan 31, 2025, 4:27 PM
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"this should keep things relatively stable in the power conferences through 2030ish"
I've heard that one before...usually followed by big 10 and sec commisioners saying, "Hold my beer."
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