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TNET: Reports: Clemson DB enters NCAA transfer portal
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson DB enters NCAA transfer portal
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Dec 5, 2023, 10:27 AM
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Well darn it
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You got to be kidding. You are a starting safety. Maybe you might share come time with these younger talented guys but it’s not like you weren’t still going to be a starter. Obviously got offered a paycheck.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson DB enters NCAA transfer portal
Dec 6, 2023, 6:34 AM
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UTex has a big wallet
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson DB enters NCAA transfer portal
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Dec 5, 2023, 11:17 AM
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Probably many more. I do not Clemson has the money to stop it, As a developmental program Clemson will end up supplying well heeled schools with money. I hope not, but expect the worst.
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You are incorrect.
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Dec 5, 2023, 2:56 PM
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We are 6th nationally in NIL amount per player.
We can afford it just fine.
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Top TigerNet [29870]
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hey dumb dumb
Dec 5, 2023, 6:02 PM
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it’s because of $$.
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Re: You are incorrect.
Dec 5, 2023, 6:23 PM
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Wow, I did not know that. Thanks for the enlightenment.
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Re: You are incorrect.
Dec 5, 2023, 8:05 PM
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You are driving by looking in the rear view mirror.
The NIL payout sweepstakes is increasing rapidly each year.
Clemson had the foresight to spend big in the early part of NIL world, but we never had the resources to keep up with the NIL escalation vs the truly wealthy programs in a ‘war of attrition.’
That is not to suggest that our NIL payouts for a truly top player or three cannot still be within our budget. However, when we are fortunate enough to have numerous players that would get a lot of PT at rich programs such as aTm, TX, OK, Bama, UGA, USC, OR, MI, OH State, etc, we cannot afford to pay out whopper NIL money to keep all of them.
Thus, the Andrew Mukuba type situations will be a recurrent situation.
We all need to get accustomed to this.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson DB enters NCAA transfer portal
Dec 5, 2023, 10:29 AM
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Bilkings ready
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson DB enters NCAA transfer portal
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Dec 5, 2023, 10:29 AM
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That one hurts.
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So much for family. It’s money and playing time now!
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson DB enters NCAA transfer portal
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Dec 5, 2023, 12:41 PM
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Yes it does. I would normally say I feel shocked, but nothing shocks me any more in this college landscape.
In any event, he was a great player and contributor for Clemson. Thank you and wish him all the best.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson DB enters NCAA transfer portal
Dec 5, 2023, 6:27 PM
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I’m not one of those once a Tiger always a Tiger people. He chose someone else. If a girl does that do you wish her well?! Maybe as an enlightened adult. No longer a Tiger. Don’t let the door hit you where the good lord split you.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson DB enters NCAA transfer portal
Dec 6, 2023, 12:24 PM
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OneJedi® I (secretly) 100% agree with you, I just say that stuff to avoid TD's. But he was a good player for us.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson DB enters NCAA transfer portal
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Dec 5, 2023, 10:30 AM
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Money based? I mean, he would still be our starting SS next year and backup NB, correct? This is a bit surprising, but I’m sure the coaches had a lot of conversations with him and this is best for both parties. We do have some great DB recruits coming in to support what was an excellent freshman class.
Go Tigers!
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Dec 5, 2023, 10:32 AM
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I assumed he would go pro so it's basically the same difference.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson DB enters NCAA transfer portal
Dec 5, 2023, 11:37 AM
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I had him as an NFL loss so it's a wash.
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Re: Likewise, NCTIgerFan23! Maybe trying to get paid a little before NFL tryout?***
Dec 5, 2023, 5:54 PM
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He must not be NFL ready? If he were, why take a chance on getting hurt again? 170th on the draft board is not great, but it is a pay day. Is he really going to make more nil? This doesnt make sense, but I hate the new college model .
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson DB enters NCAA transfer portal
Dec 5, 2023, 8:10 PM
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Not a bad philosophical compensation tactic.
I also thought Mukuba might go pro, given his return to form this past season.
Since he still might go pro, I will work to convince myself that he was going to be gone anyways, so why worry?
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the portal giveth, the portal taketh away
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Dec 5, 2023, 10:36 AM
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welcome to the new college football. Constant Disruption
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Im ready for it to giveth***
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Have to be willing to taketh
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Dec 5, 2023, 10:53 AM
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Just sayin'
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Re: Have to be willing to taketh
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Dec 5, 2023, 11:32 AM
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Have to be willing to payeth with money we don't haveth. Just like Matt Rhule said, a good QB costs 2-3 million in the portal. The portal combined with NIL is open free agency. Easy solution is to make players sit a year like it's always been & players will stay put. The current model heavily favors larger, richer schools & allows them to buy developed players. Schools that develop these players are getting robbed. Go Tigers!!!!
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Re: Have to be willing to taketh
Dec 5, 2023, 1:59 PM
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Clemson is in the latter group of those that get robbed. It's fast times now, so you pay for players or lose them. Maybe less so for high school players, but they will look for money too eventually.
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Re: Have to be willing to taketh
Dec 5, 2023, 8:19 PM
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If a college that accepts transfer students on full academic scholarship -AND- that does not prevent that incoming transfer student from taking a job outside of school, then that school would have no legal foundation for preventing a transfer student on a full athletic scholarship from also taking a job outside of school.
That ship has sailed. My selfish side makes me sad about this, but my moral side acknowledges that this is the right thing.
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Figured that was coming...
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Dec 5, 2023, 10:37 AM
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I noticed that Barnes was named the starter at NB pushing Kubz back to SS late in the season (that also moved and pushed Phillips under Mickens at FS).
Could be a variety of reasons. Maybe he didn't want to play SS, maybe he did it for the NIL money (I think he has a kid), or maybe he just wanted a fresh start elsewhere. Either way I wish him the best.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson DB enters NCAA transfer portal
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Dec 5, 2023, 10:37 AM
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We'll be fine. Covil and Griffin should take the next step over the Spring, still got Webba and Billings. Also the 2 top safties coming in, Jones and Dixon. Hopefully they will be early enrolles
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson DB enters NCAA transfer portal
Dec 5, 2023, 8:21 PM
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Regardless of whether Mukuba was destined to be a full time starter next year, as opposed to being a co-starter, losing a player of Mukuba’s caliber is a big loss.
Depth matters.
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🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson DB enters NCAA transfer portal
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Dec 5, 2023, 10:39 AM
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This one hurts.
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Yes it does.***
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Always hurts to lose a starter
Dec 5, 2023, 10:41 AM
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BUT, it seems like he has been slowly disappearing each year for some reason. I know he’s been hurt a good bit last season and maybe the opponents are throwing & running away from his side. However, isn’t that the side Wiggins is on? Oh, well…
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson DB enters NCAA transfer portal
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Dec 5, 2023, 10:49 AM
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Must have gotten a sweet PFP deal that caused him to declare free agency.
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Doubtful. Youre not making big money unless youre
Dec 5, 2023, 6:18 PM
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a stud QB, RB, or WR.
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Re: Doubtful. Youre not making big money unless youre
Dec 5, 2023, 8:35 PM
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That is how NIL payouts started.
Clemson was ahead of the NIL curve by competing Mano-a-Mano … for a few if the highest profile position players … kept us in the NIL game.
Now that the other (really big money) schools realize that they have the ability to win a NIL war of (financial) attrition vs the mid-range financial competitors such as Clemson and FSU, they are now paying big NIL bucks for DBs and OLs.
The mid-range financially capable schools simply cannot win this type of war of attrition.
Just like strong regional banks such as Dollar Bank (big presence in Western PA) cannot fight off Wells Fargo in a no holds barred fight. The strong regional bank must focus their business model in providing superior service to strong regional customers, similar to how Dollar Bank understands the business model of natural gas frackers in W.PA and ‘wins’ the lending competition vs. the giant banks for this niche.
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all these guys are looking for a bump in pay.. this is the way it works now.
Dec 5, 2023, 10:49 AM
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guys like deshaun watson or Trevor Lawrence in college can move to another school and go from 150K to 2 million in NIL payouts.. You'll have high profile guys jumping alot going forward, unless they can get paid the same at current school. ITs sad but I can't blame anyone for take a huge NIL pay increase even if they're going to a worse situation. I probably would too.
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Re: all these guys are looking for a bump in pay.. this is the way it works now.
Dec 5, 2023, 8:47 PM
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I believe that Clemson will continue to successfully compete in the NIL sweepstakes for big time QBs, WRs, DLs, RBs, and the occasional LB & DB.
We cannot afford to compete across the board with big NIL deals for many of our high quality starters, nor key young backups that we are not ‘ready’ yet to give big NIL money.
Places such as aTm can afford to pay EVERYONE on their roster big NIL money. Watching the NIL marketplace evolve, it appears that the big wallet boosters are coming to the realization that, if they are really passionate about winning championships, they will have to fork out big money so that ALL layers in the team have big NIL deals. Furthermore, for the superstar QBs, etc, they will be coughing up ~ $5M money.
Before very long, Clemson will not be able to keep up with any of the NIL money that the super rich schools can afford … and will willingly play.
Thus, the critical need for Clemson to get into a conference that has a much more lucrative TV contract. We can keep up for a few more years if this can, somehow, get done.
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This is getting stupid. I feel bad for kids getting turned
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Dec 5, 2023, 10:50 AM
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Down to go to Clemson.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson DB enters NCAA transfer portal
Dec 5, 2023, 10:52 AM
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Ok, now I'm feeling sick.
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NIL or NFL?
Dec 5, 2023, 10:54 AM
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$?
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson DB enters NCAA transfer portal
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Dec 5, 2023, 11:01 AM
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It’s open to all and we are seeing that at every school. It’s going to be hard for fans to fall in love with favorite players soon. Obviously it’s not the majority of starters but it’s harder to fall in love with a player like past Clemson greats. Go Tigers
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson DB enters NCAA transfer portal
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So when they say “All In” they really mean “All In For ME”
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson DB enters NCAA transfer portal
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That’s how employment generally works yes. If you’ve accepted an offer from another company for higher pay you are being hypocritical.
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Next up! Well it opens up jersey #1 for Sammy***
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Given the fact he started wearing Mukuba Sr. on his jersey,
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Dec 5, 2023, 11:16 AM
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he obviously has a kid so financial considerations may have become more of a factor than what it would have been anyway.
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Re: Given the fact he started wearing Mukuba Sr. on his jersey,
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He's currently making around 300k at Clemson. Plenty of money to raise a toddler. He must be securing a bag bc his 6th rd draft grade wont pay as well as colleges will. I'm wondering if the mother of his child is a Clemson student or is he moving closer to her. Our DB room is world class & rumors of him leaving have swirled for years. Adios✌🏻 GO Tigers!!!!
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Where did you get the $300k number from?***
Dec 5, 2023, 6:21 PM
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Which one? Mukuba or Mukuba Sr.??
Dec 5, 2023, 11:16 AM
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Nm
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson DB enters NCAA transfer portal
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Nothing burger here. They're told that every year. Face it, Clemson isn't immune anymore. So much for laughing at the other fanbases for having transfers.
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Good luck, go get paid young man!***
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Re: Good luck, go get paid young man!***
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What is the going NIL price for a starting safety?
I'm surprised he couldn't be at least a 5th round pick in the NFL.
The first pick of the fifth round will sign a contract worth approximately $4.224 million and receive a signing bonus of approximately $384,680. The second pick of the round will receive a $4.218 million contract with a $378,408 signing bonus. The numbers decrease each pick until the 43rd pick where the player will receive a $4.098 million contract with a $258,040 signing bonus.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson DB enters NCAA transfer portal
Dec 5, 2023, 11:32 AM
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson DB enters NCAA transfer portal
Dec 5, 2023, 11:33 AM
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$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson DB enters NCAA transfer portal
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Dec 5, 2023, 11:39 AM
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Thank you for your time as a Tiger…
I think Texas has some players leaving in the secondary…
Go home to Austin and make bank ….
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Ugh. Hate to see that
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Next man up though. Excited to see what Kylon Griffin can do. Best of luck to you, Andrew.
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Dec 5, 2023, 2:01 PM
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I guess he didn’t wanna play in the bowl game against UK
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson DB enters NCAA transfer portal
Dec 5, 2023, 2:44 PM
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Once the sentence starts with “with much prayer and talks with my family” you can kinda gather what’s coming next.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson DB enters NCAA transfer portal
Dec 5, 2023, 2:57 PM
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"...we've decided to make more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$."
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TNET folks seem to think he's leaving for more NIL money. if that's the
Dec 5, 2023, 3:44 PM
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case - how do The Tigers compete with other schools that have more money?
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson DB enters NCAA transfer portal
Dec 5, 2023, 5:23 PM
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Sammy Brown gets #1 now
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson DB enters NCAA transfer portal
Dec 5, 2023, 6:30 PM
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Venables is still there isn't he? He was on the injury list this year and should be back in the field soon.
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We will have shell of a defense against
Dec 5, 2023, 8:00 PM
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Kentucky. I expected Mukuba to turn pro, never e pected portal for him.
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Wonder how much he got offered and how
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Close clemson could get to keeping him.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson DB enters NCAA transfer portal
Dec 6, 2023, 12:36 AM
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They really gotta step in and put some sort of rules, regulations, or caps on these NIL deals. Big money schools are just going to buy players out, and that's a shame.
Clemson HAS GOT TO get out of the ACC. Between the $$$ and the precedent that the committee set when they opted to sit out FSU in the Playoffs, we have to move on. The future of this program depends on it.
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Letterman [165]
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson DB enters NCAA transfer portal
Dec 6, 2023, 7:15 PM
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Scholarship athletes that enter the portal should have to repay their tuition. Put that INL money to good work.
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