|
Replies: 45
| visibility 9562
|
Webmaster [∞]
TigerPulse: 100%
∞
Posts: 45048
Joined: 2012
|
TNET: National analyst says one position is bringing Clemson football downward trend
2
Sep 2, 2024, 4:17 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
 |
Athletic Dir [1145]
TigerPulse: 100%
26
|
Re: TNET: National analyst says one position is bringing Clemson football downward trend
5
5
Sep 2, 2024, 4:40 PM
|
|
Yes, this we know. Next man up doesn't work when the next guy is not of the same caliber. We need another super qb1 so we can ignore the rest of the stuff. Lol
Go tigers
|
|
|
|
|
|
CU Guru [1560]
TigerPulse: 100%
30
|
Re: TNET: National analyst says one position is bringing Clemson football downward trend
1
Sep 3, 2024, 7:11 AM
|
|
Absolutely, and a good point comparing Clemson to Texas. After Vince Young and Colt McCoy were gone, Texas tanked for over a decade, and fired Mack Brown. Missing some great QB’s that went elsewhere (Johnny Manziel, Patric Mahomes, Kyler Murray, Baker Mayfield, Jalen Hurts…) while Texas floundered through Head Coaches…..
Texas now has Quinn Evers (Colt #2) and Arch Manning on the bench. They are back on top.
Then look at Clemson Taj, DW4, TLaw, who represent 10 great seasons! Kelly, DJU, and then DJU, now Cade….. Cade has the opportunity to turn it around, but he better get started. Dabo has his back, because he does not have a choice, and we don’t have a choice in 2024!
DJ is still a liability at FSU if you have watched him. No improvement since his freshman season, a gifted, physically talented head case, Clemson grad….
Go Tigers!! Win every game, one game at a time!
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2412]
TigerPulse: 100%
32
|
Re: TNET: National analyst says one position is bringing Clemson football downward trend
Sep 3, 2024, 8:17 AM
[ in reply to Re: TNET: National analyst says one position is bringing Clemson football downward trend ] |
|
If this is true (and it is as good an explanation as any), then someone needs to pony up some big bucks to get a top QB. If, in fact, the quarterback is what makes the team, then go out and find one. Maybe Dabo and a few of the other coaches could chip in...they have more money than most of our alums do.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Freshman [5]
TigerPulse: 100%
1
|
Re: TNET: National analyst says one position is bringing Clemson football downward trend
Sep 2, 2024, 4:44 PM
|
|
Completely agree on this one. While he skipped over KB, we all know how much that position matters in college FB, more now than ever. We will all watch how it will work in Miami and detonate FSU.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Top TigerNet [31186]
TigerPulse: 100%
55
Posts: 47848
Joined: 1999
|
Re: TNET: National analyst says one position is bringing Clemson football downward trend
2
Sep 2, 2024, 8:05 PM
|
|
KB was way better than anyone we’ve had since TLaw left
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ring of Honor [21129]
TigerPulse: 100%
53
Posts: 10213
Joined: 1998
|
Re: TNET: National analyst says one position is bringing Clemson football downward trend
Sep 2, 2024, 8:18 PM
|
|
better runner for sure.... about the same as a passer.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Associate AD [1096]
TigerPulse: 100%
25
|
Re: TNET: National analyst says one position is bringing Clemson football downward trend
Sep 2, 2024, 9:45 PM
|
|
But good enough to help lead the team to a return trip to the CFP
|
|
|
|
|
|
Associate AD [1034]
TigerPulse: 79%
25
|
Re: TNET: National analyst says one position is bringing Clemson football downward trend
1
Sep 2, 2024, 4:45 PM
|
|
Are you so desperate for clicks that you post absolute garbage? We all know this already. Everyone knows this.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Commissioner [1202]
TigerPulse: 96%
27
|
Re: TNET: National analyst says one position is bringing Clemson football downward trend
2
10
10
Sep 2, 2024, 5:28 PM
|
|
Except Dabo.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Clemson Icon [26931]
TigerPulse: 100%
54
|
His analysis is logical.
4
Sep 2, 2024, 4:47 PM
|
|
Based on the data we have right now.
Cade, as of today, has not shown he can take a team, put it on it's back and say, "Hang on. I'll get you there."
But, then how many QBs can? Last year's Heisman trophy winner wasn't good enough to take LSU even close.
I'm beginning to think you need a great athlete as well as a great QB to win the national championship. Then, I think back to UGA last year and even this year. They have very good, but not super-athletic QBs leading those teams.
So, I'm still hopeful. But, I understand his analysis.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Legend [6649]
TigerPulse: 100%
41
|
2023 LSU wasnt held back by the QB***
1
Sep 2, 2024, 4:55 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Playmaker [356]
TigerPulse: 99%
16
|
Re: 2023 LSU wasnt held back by the QB***
2
Sep 2, 2024, 7:14 PM
|
|
Held back, no, but he obviously couldn’t carry the team to a championship. I think that’s what the post is saying, you have to have good players around the QB too. I think the championship teams moving forward will build elite talent all around the offense through the portal. However, they might go 7-5 the following season if they can’t find the right players to do it again.
The first piece we need is a better QB, but we also need WRs, much improved OL (which is happening) and a back to complement Mafah. We also need play calling that will utilize them properly as well, and I don’t think we have that either right now.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Game Changer [1622]
TigerPulse: 100%
31
|
Re: His analysis is logical.
Sep 2, 2024, 5:06 PM
[ in reply to His analysis is logical. ] |
|
Astute and nuanced, thank you bretfsu®. While by no means do I think Klatt is the brilliant mind that first noticed this, so I like how you parsed the assessment with "Cade, as of today".
I think that is fair and more intelligent. I believe in CK2, and I believe that he may be able to shoulder us back up the mountain, or atleast get us/keep us moving in that direction back like Tajh did.
And to your point on the role a generational QB plays...I think that is always going confound the quest for a Natty. Some years, all you need is one crazy good guy (like Cam Newton). Some years, you need a full team raised with the great QB play, like DW4 or TL16.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dynasty Maker [3496]
TigerPulse: 100%
34
|
Re: TNET: National analyst says one position is bringing Clemson football downward trend
1
1
Sep 2, 2024, 4:57 PM
|
|
Well Duh. We know we don’t have DW4 or TL16. What an insightful analysis.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Head Coach [910]
TigerPulse: 100%
24
|
Re: TNET: National analyst says one position is bringing Clemson football downward trend
Sep 2, 2024, 5:07 PM
|
|
He’s right. So many people want to torch Dabo over his portal stance (and I too would like to see him use it to fill immediate needs) but that’s not why Clemson football is in a decline. They simply aren’t getting the same quality players they were a decade ago. Quarterback is the most obvious position but it’s not the only one. Kelly Bryant was a good quarterback but certainly not a superstar like Deshaun Watson and Trevor Lawrence and Bryant took us to the playoffs. DJU looked pretty darn good when he was surrounded by the same supporting cast as Lawrence.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Beast [6511]
TigerPulse: 100%
40
Posts: 13558
Joined: 2000
|
Its pretty early to write off Cade IMO
1
Sep 2, 2024, 5:17 PM
|
|
He's basically a sophomore on the field.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Commissioner [1202]
TigerPulse: 96%
27
|
Re: Its pretty early to write off Cade IMO
3
Sep 2, 2024, 5:30 PM
|
|
It’s his third year in the program.
And he’s shown no improvement.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Mascot [24]
TigerPulse: 90%
3
|
Re: Its pretty early to write off Cade IMO
Sep 2, 2024, 5:42 PM
|
|
He's been playing organized football and going to football camps for many, many years. He's simply an average mid level QB.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [8487]
TigerPulse: 100%
43
Posts: 11295
Joined: 2011
|
Re: Its pretty early to write off Cade IMO
Sep 2, 2024, 5:44 PM
[ in reply to Re: Its pretty early to write off Cade IMO ] |
|
Watch the first half of UGA game again. Other than the first play, Cade played great. Watch again.
|
|
|
|
|
|
CU Guru [1504]
TigerPulse: 100%
30
|
Re: Its pretty early to write off Cade IMO
Sep 2, 2024, 6:19 PM
|
|
He absolutely shorted most/all of those deep balls. Some were released late, others just missed.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Paw Master [16698]
TigerPulse: 100%
51
Posts: 21759
Joined: 2007
|
Re: Its pretty early to write off Cade IMO
Sep 2, 2024, 9:00 PM
|
|
I hate saying this, but he just isn't very accurate with his passes. I don't think his receivers help that very much, but it's not working. I want it all working. Go Tigers!
|
|
|
|
|
|
Clemson Conqueror [11392]
TigerPulse: 100%
46
Posts: 13993
Joined: 2014
|
|
|
|
|
|
Associate AD [1080]
TigerPulse: 76%
25
|
Re: Its pretty early to write off Cade IMO
Sep 2, 2024, 6:28 PM
[ in reply to Its pretty early to write off Cade IMO ] |
|
LOL..he’s had PLENTY of time in the system..what you see now is the best it’s gonna get
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [8487]
TigerPulse: 100%
43
Posts: 11295
Joined: 2011
|
Re: TNET: National analyst says one position is bringing Clemson football downward trend
2
Sep 2, 2024, 5:43 PM
|
|
I won't give up on Cade.
Cade is all in on Clemson. I'm all in on Clemson & Cade!
|
|
|
|
|
|
Trainer [-72]
TigerPulse: 53%
-1
|
Re: TNET: National analyst says one position is bringing Clemson football downward trend
Sep 2, 2024, 6:23 PM
|
|
I won't give up on Cade.
Cade is all in on Clemson. I'm all in on Clemson & Cade!
Admirable! Willing to go down with the ship. 🥴
|
|
|
|
|
|
Trainer [29]
TigerPulse: 78%
3
|
Re: TNET: National analyst says one position is bringing Clemson football downward trend
Sep 3, 2024, 3:57 PM
|
|
Amen brother. I'm behind Cade!! He'll come around.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2194]
TigerPulse: 100%
32
|
Re: TNET: National analyst says one position is bringing Clemson football downward trend
Sep 2, 2024, 6:04 PM
|
|
It is no mystery that it would help to have a great QB. But we also need a great QB coach that can develop Cade and now I don’t know if we have that. By the way Joe Klatt is with Fox Network that covers the BG10 so why is he talking about an ACC school’s QB.
|
|
|
|
|
|
CU Guru [1504]
TigerPulse: 100%
30
|
Re: TNET: National analyst says one position is bringing Clemson football downward trend
1
Sep 2, 2024, 6:22 PM
|
|
I trust him more than any of the talking heads at espn tbh...
|
|
|
|
|
|
Clemson Conqueror [11392]
TigerPulse: 100%
46
Posts: 13993
Joined: 2014
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rival Killer [2896]
TigerPulse: 100%
33
|
That analyst is an undervalued superhero ...
Sep 2, 2024, 6:47 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Legend [7010]
TigerPulse: 100%
41
|
Re: TNET: National analyst says one position is bringing Clemson football downward trend
2
Sep 2, 2024, 7:00 PM
|
|
Yeah and my uncle Mike thinks black helicopters are poisoning his tomato plants.... Ridiculous!
The first four letters of analyst spells what? Perfect description of Klatt.
Fact is dju killed the morale of the team, fanbase and killed our recruiting. Taisun was a far better and more mobile choice.
I still say Dabo needs to do what he did with TL16, make him take those deep throws more often than he would. TL racked up 6 or 8 interceptions quickly but it made him more confident with the big play ball. I get tired of a "defensive" offense - turn him loose and let the chips fall where they may, sink or swim.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Legend [7010]
TigerPulse: 100%
41
|
Re: TNET: National analyst says one position is bringing Clemson football downward trend
Sep 2, 2024, 7:06 PM
|
|
I am referring to TL16s second season as qb1
|
|
|
|
|
|
Game Changer [1880]
TigerPulse: 100%
31
|
Re: TNET: National analyst says one position is bringing Clemson football downward trend
Sep 2, 2024, 7:16 PM
|
|
Give Moore and Wesco sufficient time to contribute.
That will tell the tale IMO
That process should begin in earnest this weekend against AppSt
|
|
|
|
|
|
Paw Master [17031]
TigerPulse: 100%
51
Posts: 15200
Joined: 1999
|
WowJoel Klatt
1
1
Sep 2, 2024, 7:19 PM
|
|
Important thing is, what does Paul Finebaum think?
GO TIGERS!!
|
|
|
|
|
|
Paw Master [16698]
TigerPulse: 100%
51
Posts: 21759
Joined: 2007
|
Re: WowJoel Klatt
1
Sep 2, 2024, 9:06 PM
|
|
I have zero respect for Feinbaum, nor for any of the folks who might think he is a real "source" of reliable information. He is an sec homer. Nothing more, and nothing less. His opinions are as biased as can be.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Legend [7010]
TigerPulse: 100%
41
|
Re: WowJoel Klatt
3
Sep 3, 2024, 12:17 AM
|
|
pretty sure griff was just being sarcastic about worrying over pf's thoughts.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Paw Master [16698]
TigerPulse: 100%
51
Posts: 21759
Joined: 2007
|
Re: WowJoel Klatt
Sep 3, 2024, 9:05 AM
|
|
I hope so, because if he regarded Pawlll's comments as having any unbiased merit, he would be untrustworthy, too.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Elite [5594]
TigerPulse: 100%
38
|
Re: TNET: National analyst says one position is bringing Clemson football downward trend
Sep 2, 2024, 7:30 PM
|
|
He’s not wrong
|
|
|
|
|
|
Asst Coach [816]
TigerPulse: 100%
23
|
Re: TNET: National analyst says one position is bringing Clemson football downward trend
Sep 2, 2024, 11:37 PM
|
|
I don’t think he’s wrong. My only real issue with this is there are literally thousands of Clemson fans who are saying the exact same thing at tailgates, on chat boards, etc - all of which are getting paid a lot less than Joel Klatt.
This is zero substance commentary. Not even fast food media coverage. It’s less than cotton candy. Why these people get air time and $$ is beyond me.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Paw Warrior [4718]
TigerPulse: 100%
37
|
Re: TNET: National analyst says one position is bringing Clemson football downward trend
Sep 3, 2024, 7:17 AM
|
|
Good take by Klatt. Trevor absolutely maksed glaring weaknesses in the roster. Save his freshman season, TLaw was wasted bc he didn't have the team around him to "win the big one". Ah...hindsight, it's 20-20 ya know?......
|
|
|
|
|
|
Game Day Hero [4431]
TigerPulse: 100%
36
|
Re: TNET: National analyst says one position is bringing Clemson football downward trend
Sep 3, 2024, 8:24 AM
|
|
I don’t like Klatt but he finally nailed this one.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Varsity [111]
TigerPulse: 100%
11
|
Re: TNET: National analyst says one position is bringing Clemson football downward trend
1
Sep 3, 2024, 8:45 AM
|
|
Quarterback choices and lack of wide receiver development. We don’t recruit quarterback or wide receivers like we did 5,6,7 years ago. We had a guy that recruited well and then he left the position he was born for to become a head coach, which was out of his depth. Maybe it’s time to let him
Comeback and do the job he was best suited for. Other teams are finding real talent , 2 and 3 deep.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dynasty Maker [3294]
TigerPulse: 100%
34
|
Spot on assessment***
Sep 3, 2024, 11:48 AM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Scout Team [84]
TigerPulse: 41%
9
|
5 QBs on the roster- Dabo has tunnel vision
Sep 3, 2024, 11:52 AM
|
|
Rip the band-aid off. Hire a new coach. Let Dabo continue on as the youth pastor.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Beast [6180]
TigerPulse: 100%
40
|
Re: TNET: National analyst says one position is bringing Clemson football downward trend
Sep 3, 2024, 1:52 PM
|
|
Yup. This was a well thought out monologue and spoke volumes of truth. Kinda surprising from this guy as he is usually just a squawking head.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Replies: 45
| visibility 9562
|
|
|
50
