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TNET: National analyst on recruiting: 'I've got concerns about where Clemson's headed'
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Re: TNET: National analyst on recruiting: 'I've got concerns about where Clemson's headed'
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Feb 12, 2025, 12:59 PM
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His t-shirt is too small.
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Re: TNET: National analyst on recruiting: 'I've got concerns about where Clemson's headed'
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Feb 12, 2025, 4:07 PM
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Pate has never liked Clemson Football, so his words are very irrelevant.
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Re: TNET: National analyst on recruiting: 'I've got concerns about where Clemson's headed'
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Feb 12, 2025, 6:19 PM
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Like Clemson, hate Clemson, love Clemson, or have never give Clemson a thought, our recruiting didn't come nowhere close to being as good as our classes have been before the 2024, 2025, 2026 classes with the 2026 class looking really troublesome. It won't matter what excuses some will use, but those classes don't look to be classes for winning championships...
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Re: TNET: National analyst on recruiting: 'I've got concerns about where Clemson's headed'
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Feb 12, 2025, 4:55 PM
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They're semi-flawed, but that was more the case where we had 0 attrition and regularly had top 5 classes in average recruits. If you don't lose anyone, you can have 15 person classes if they're all 5 and 4 stars. That's not really the case any more. We signed a much smaller class, and our per-recruit rankings were #16. On rivals, our recruiting ranking is #32, we had 15 recruits, and our average recruit is 3.6. Compare that to Ohio State, who was #3, had 26 recruits, and their average recruit was a 3.97.
I don't think recruiting rankings are perfect. You always see 3 stars who play like 5 Stars and 5 Stars who play like 3 Stars. Our class of 2020 was our highest ranked class ever, but on the whole, was a big disappointment. But you can't really argue that when a team has better average recruits on paper, and gets nearly double the bites at the apple, they're more likely going to have better players.
We should continue to compete for ACC titles. Even last year, a bad class by our standards, ended up the second best class in the ACC. But to compete for national titles, you have to recruit like Oregon, Ohio State, Georgia, etc. Otherwise you get situations where you win the ACC, but then get humiliated in the playoffs.
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Re: TNET: National analyst on recruiting: 'I've got concerns about where Clemson's headed'
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Feb 12, 2025, 5:32 PM
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You mean we need to spend like those teams
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Move along, nothing to see here.
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Feb 12, 2025, 1:01 PM
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He is just a paid shill for the SEC and Big 10 media, and is therefore incapable of saying anything nice about Clemson. He is actually jealous of Clemson, and threatened by us becoming elite again, and is talking us down to try to hurt the program.
We are going to be one of the best programs in the country for the foreseeable future. If Clemson is a stock, buy all you can right now.
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Poor attempt
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Feb 12, 2025, 1:17 PM
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stick to bball
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Poor attempt at what?***
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Re: Poor attempt at what?***
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Feb 12, 2025, 4:29 PM
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Until Clemson Basketball can beat Duke and North Carolina in the same year, we don’t want to hear it.
Wait a minute…
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Re: Move along, nothing to see here.
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Feb 12, 2025, 1:22 PM
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He doesn't know much about our program. We are going in the right direction, even though you don't realize it. You're similar to people that didn't realize that CBB was going in the right direction a few years ago. You're similar, only football.
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Tiger Titan [49133]
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I don't think we are going the wrong direction anymore.
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Feb 12, 2025, 1:46 PM
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Dabo's recent coaching hires, his willingness to actually use the portal, and his apparent willingness to lead with NIL in recruiting are all very exciting.
Whether these changes will be enough to return us to being one of the best programs in the country remains to be seen, but hopefully they will.
With that said, I do not think there is any evidence to suggest that we are absolutely positively back to being the Clemson football program that was a model of consistency and greatness from 2015-2020. We all hope that will happen, but time will tell. As the guy in the video in the original post alluded to, our recruiting rankings have slipped and there is a very real risk that no amount of expert coaching or development will be enough to overcome that.
I feel very good about who we have coming back in 2025. Our offense should be excellent. Our defense will hopefully be solid as a result of hiring Allen. But we lose a LOT after 2025, and it's going to take a herculean effort to continue to improve in 2026 and beyond.
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Re: I don't think we are going the wrong direction anymore.
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Feb 12, 2025, 1:52 PM
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We already are one of the best programs in the country. 14 is in the mix, but a little down if course. We should be better next year. We could have a down year here and there, but we are building something. I have no doubt that in a few years we won't be thinking that we are no longer an elite program. We took a slight dip, but we are in the mix and we will be a top 10 program over the next 5 years. That's still elite. We will squeeze some top 5 years in there as well here and there. I believe in the direction we are going.
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Re: Move along, nothing to see here.
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Feb 12, 2025, 1:24 PM
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I don't think he's that far off. 2025 should be a good year, but after that, who is coming down the pike? There's a noticeable talent gap thsat will arise from this recruiting class.
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Re: You may want to take a look at our roster, and pay particular attention
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Feb 12, 2025, 1:41 PM
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I'm looking at the guys coming in.
When you finish with your worst class in 15 years you can't sit here and be like "ahh whatever." Some guys will hit, for sure, but more often than not recruiting ranking and blue chip ratio is a DIRECT correlation to where teams finish at the end of the year.
I'm not saying Clemson is going to suck, but talent-wise we are starting further back and have a tougher hill to climb than than the Texas, Georgia, Ohio States, of the college football world. It is a fact and frankly that is how I interpreted Pate's comments as well.
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Re: You may want to take a look at our roster, and pay particular attention
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Feb 12, 2025, 2:22 PM
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Considering we can't just poop out roster openings whenever we want - 85 is still the max today and we're actually slightly over that now - small numbers are going to happen occasionally. Speaks volumes to Dabo and Co's retention strengths, and also why being worried about the smaller size of '25 and its impact on our future just doesn't seem warranted. Based on the quotes I saw it's pretty clear Pate didn't take the time to explore our roster either - just an easy surface take.
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Re: You may want to take a look at our roster, and pay particular attention
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Feb 12, 2025, 3:25 PM
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Agreed…the down 26 class is a by product of dropping stupid losses (coaching errors). We’ve corrected this (we hope) and we will return to top10-15 27,28…
Just another “Hot take” syndrome short sightedness…
Go Tigers!!
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Re: You may want to take a look at our roster, and pay particular attention
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Feb 12, 2025, 3:31 PM
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Well, I have to disagree with you on pate and this reply. He's always been extremely fair to Clemson. Very knowledgeable. Ranked us all last year higher than any other poll. Consistently said we'd be in the playoffs until we lost to Louisville and it was out of our control.
I like his stuff. He's been very outspoken on Dabo's culture and how meaningful it is that we still value education.
As for the article response, yes there's validation in smaller classes and the recruits. But the fact is, our rosters from the past years are not valid anymore. We lost several of those players that made the rankings great. It's fact that our blue-chip ratio has decreased every year from 21. Take into consideration the blue-chip talent we've had on our past cycles have not cracked the 2 deep... that's concerning. That's probably why Dabo let Wes go.
Now, do we end up having to take more portal? Probably. But as it stands now, 26 could be brutal. We've got to crush it in 2026 class. Now, it's not all bad. We're actually doing better offensively with the line and WR, presumed they stay, and stay healthy. QB's in 26 is a legit concern. DL is a concern unless Parker and pwoo decide to forgo 1st or 2nd rnd draft money.
Pates not wrong for being concerned. Several posters have said the same thing. No one is saying we're going to be crap fsu like, but it is concerning... but as Judge pointed out, Dabo is making the right moves. Bottom line, it's always jimmy and joes.
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Re: You may want to take a look at our roster, and pay particular attention
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Feb 12, 2025, 5:21 PM
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Pate's been pretty fair overall but he didn't really do his homework here IMO. '25's class size was known in advance to max out around 17 sans portal. We brought in 15 and added 3 via the TP. Where is the part about retention being as strong as it was, and one of our strong suits in general here annually being a prime factor in that small number? In a vacuum, the '25 class size and ranking could be cause for alarm. With even minimal context though, that alarm is way overblown.
I don't know that our development laps the field but it's definitely way up there. Our GOAT run from '15 to '20 was on the backs of recruiting classes averaging around 11th, while the same usual suspects of today were all consistently higher. I don't know what our target number for '26 is but I would imagine it will be much higher than what '25 had available simply on law of averages, and like normal I trust our guys will fill it with quality kids in positions of need.
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No delusional paranoia regarding Pate?...
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Feb 12, 2025, 7:36 PM
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the tried and true defense mechanism of the Sunshine Pumper? Clearly you work for the Richland County Intelligence Agency<{probable spy in our midst, round the clock 24 hour surveillance, 2 man teams, Let's GO PUMPERS!}
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Re: You may want to take a look at our roster, and pay particular attention
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Those programs have higher turnover, which means that they have to rely even more on recruiting the ready-made guys now. We have been hoarding a fine stable of committed (compared to these other programs) guys who are capable of developing into beasts in a reasonable amount of time. Development is bigger for us than them now. As well, recruiting 5-stars are way more important for them now. That’s the difference for a team that loses way more to the portal from year to year than we do.
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Agree on your development take, but what about QB
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We haven’t won without great QB play.
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Re: Move along, nothing to see here.
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We will still have our great freshman from this past season. We have some great freshman coming in too. We have plenty of talent for a while. 2025 class is small, but underrated imo. I think it comes down to quarterback. I think we are going to be very talented. 2026 will be a very good class as well. I think the doom and gloom is way off.
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Re: Move along, nothing to see here.
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Feb 12, 2025, 1:44 PM
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Quarterback will cover any recruiting misses. If Chris Denson is a diamond in the rough like I think he can be then we can obviously compete for titles, but I'm just not buying that stock beyond 2025.
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Re: I agree, 2026 could be a down year by our standards.***
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If we have a solid QB, 2026 might be a very good year if we keep everyone. We don't know what QB will be like. We don't about the Portal either.
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Re: Move along, nothing to see here.
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ZING!
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Re: Move along, nothing to see here.
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A little early, in today’s environment, to judge the ‘26 class IMO. More chaos is at hand.
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Re: Move along, nothing to see here.
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You fishing judge? That's a lot of bait.
Obviously you enjoy rattling the cage. 🤔
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Re: Move along, nothing to see here.
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Clemson greatest move this off season was firing DC Goodwin hands down! Great move. The defense should be much better with the new guy from Penn State. This should cement the Tigers to at least a 12-1 record
with the offense they'll have in 2025. The only possible loss next year could be LSU, and since it's in Death Valley, that could be a win in the opener. I don't see the Gamecocks beating Clemson with just a running QB with a new DC, and the loss of most of their defensive players. An undefeated season is NOT out of realm of possibility.
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Re: Move along, nothing to see here.
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Feb 12, 2025, 8:35 PM
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Tell me you have never spent time listening to Josh pate without telling me you have never spent time. Like most of your takes this is equally as wrong.
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I like Pate and find him to be smart and reasonable.
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My post was sarcasm, and intended to reflect what many people here will reflexively say.
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hater and loser
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dude cannot come up with a consistent take
Yet some on here worship this loser and his bad takes
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Re: TNET: National analyst on recruiting: 'I've got concerns about where Clemson's headed'
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Who cares about Josh Pate’s concerns?
I don’t.
I doubt either of his subscribers are concerned.
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Are his takes typically this superficial?***
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Re: Are his takes typically this superficial?***
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He's no different than many other of the Finebaum's and Heather Dimwitt's of the esecpn world.
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CU Medallion [20109]
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Math apparently isn't his strong suit.
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Feb 12, 2025, 1:27 PM
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An average 5th grader can count to 85. Guessing he'll get enough clicks to make up for this embarrassing take though so what does he care.
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We are definitely trending up. The only thing slightly
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negative is that we aren’t getting the 5* players as regularly as we used to.
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Re: We are definitely trending up. The only thing slightly
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We seem to get at least 1 per year and often more than one.
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Head firmly in sand.***
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I didn't know Mr. Clean was a national college football analyst...***
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Re: I didn't know Mr. Clean was a national college football analyst...***
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No, no, no, it’s not Mr. Clean.
He lost his hair from lack of oxygen while his head was planted up the SEC’s ### for so long.
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I take it then that he's also concerned about the SEC and B1G programs receiving
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twice the amount of television revenue as us? I take it he's also concerned with that we don't have an enrollment size of 50, 60, 70K and as such don't have a gazillion alums aka boosters to throw every dollar they have into the National Auction Day Class Rankings? I wonder what other concerns he has about us relative to the Saturday Professional Football League.
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Re: TNET: National analyst on recruiting: 'I've got concerns about where Clemson's headed'
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Totally agree with Pate. Enjoy 2025 because the talent level takes a big hit in 2026. Clemson needs a big time recruiting class this cycle and some great portal additions to offset the poor recruiting.
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He sure does focus on Clemson a lot. There are something
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like 130 D1 teams. How does Clemson stay on the radar so much. Oh well, any publicity is good I guess. At least we are relevant!
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Re: TNET: National analyst on recruiting: 'I've got concerns about where Clemson's headed'
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We had a down recruiting year strictly based on the index they use, a smaller class hurts the rating number. Just based on player rating average, we’re in the mix.
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Re: TNET: National analyst on recruiting: 'I've got concerns about where Clemson's headed'
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Feb 12, 2025, 1:58 PM
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“One of the best lessons I’ve learned is that you don’t worry about criticism from people that you wouldn’t seek advice from” - Dabo Swinney
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Re: TNET: National analyst on recruiting: 'I've got concerns about where Clemson's headed'
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I am also concerned about recruiting.
We have to hit a homerun with this 2026 class.
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This thread is about the Clemson Sunshine..
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Pumper, the collective unity on display... Sunshine Pumper hive mind..observe as they collectively transition to a state of full on denial, pathological denial.
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He's not exactly wrong. 2026 needs to be a big
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bounce back year in recruiting.
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Re: TNET: National analyst on recruiting: 'I've got concerns about where Clemson's headed'
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I don't waste time listening to people that get paid to talk about sports, but wouldn't it be nice if this Josh Pate made enough money to buy a real shirt instead of having to wear a white under shirt?
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Clemson under Dabo Swinney has done a fantastic job over his tenure at cultivating under the radar talent into successful cfb players. We have been weak at developing wrs over the last 5-6 years. However with thd hiring of several key staff on defense and offense the last few rotations, we should see a uptick in future talent development of players into great/elite status. What I am curious to see is how much better our veteran pieces will be on defense next year such as Terrell, Parker, Barnes and rising sophomore brown.
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Game Changer [2086]
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Re: TNET: National analyst on recruiting: 'I've got concerns about where Clemson's headed'
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Feb 12, 2025, 2:45 PM
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Not surprisingly he didn't do his homework before writing this piece.
Clemson is the lone program amongst all the bluebloods that consistently does " more with less ".
Not an enviable position obviously but one worth noting in these comparisons.
Our blue chip recruits relative to championships leaps off the page.
This measure has proven a reliable indicator for the last decade or more.
In my opinion , the recent hiring of Luke , Allen , Kelly will prove critical to our continued success.
Also , it bears mentioning that one such class does not a failure prove.
In the scenario he imagines several bad back to back classes would necessarily occur. This class is at best an outlier.
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More with less?!? We have been doing less with more the last 4-5 years.
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From 2015-2020 we may have technically done “more with less,” but we had the best player on the field and had the most talent where it mattered most.
I do think those staffs did well developing players. We have really missed that lately.
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Dabo has yet to fail at producing a team ranked higher at season's end
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Feb 12, 2025, 10:26 PM
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than our program budget ranking for 14 consecutive years, and running. Name a single college program in any sport, anywhere, that can top that. Dabo is in GOAT land with doing 'more with less' in college sports that well and with such dogged consistency.
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Re: More with less?!? We have been doing less with more the last 4-5 years.
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" Clemson won its two most recent titles with relatively low bluechip percentages at 52 percent in 2016 and 61 percent in 2018, according to 247Sports’ Bud Elliott. They are the two lowest rates of national championship teams in the College Football Playoff era.
Swinney has reiterated multiple times this offseason that recruiting rankings aren’t always accurate, as Clemson has never landed the No. 1 class in the nation in the Swinney era."
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Fair if somewhat gloomy assessment from Pate
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Feb 12, 2025, 3:14 PM
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Dabo took a break in recruiting and coaching expertise/development practices from 2019-24 with repercussions to overall player talent levels.
From this perspective, the 2025 season with Klubnik at QB and Tom Allen developing some high quality defensive players (Woods, Parker, Brown, Woodaz, Terrell, Hampton and more) will be big. Safety development and continued OL improvement will be key to post-2025 recruiting success. I'm optimistic for 2025 play but work to do.
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Re: TNET: National analyst on recruiting: 'I've got concerns about where Clemson's headed'
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Feb 12, 2025, 3:18 PM
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Don’t agree right now with this individual. If he absolutely knows for sure then I want him to pick lottery numbers for me.
2026 and 2027 is not here yet.
So far Clemson has not had to mortgage the house yet and go in the red like Ohio State.
Clemson may go deeper in the portal in a couple of years but right now that’s just a guess. Let everything run its course then you can say what you want instead of presuming.
For now it’s all about GO TIGERS
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Re: TNET: National analyst on recruiting: 'I've got concerns about where Clemson's headed'
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Feb 12, 2025, 4:17 PM
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He has authority and knows his stuff. There's a reason he is wearing a child size t-shirt. Don't question him.
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Re: TNET: National analyst on recruiting: 'I've got concerns about where Clemson's headed'
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Feb 12, 2025, 3:19 PM
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Well if we are gonna hang our hat on recruiting and player development we are going to have to recruit at an elite (top 10) level every season. Being outside the top 20 two seasons in a row would result in some serious red flags for the program, especially if we aren't bringing in many portal players. Hopefully 2026 is a large and high quality class.
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Re: TNET: National analyst on recruiting: 'I've got concerns about where Clemson's headed'
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Feb 12, 2025, 3:31 PM
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You do know that our 2016 and 2018 national championships were won with recruiting class averages from the four prior years that were both worse than 10th? We definitely had talent, but having the right talent is really what drives the boat here.
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Re: TNET: National analyst on recruiting: 'I've got concerns about where Clemson's headed'
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Feb 12, 2025, 6:44 PM
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Yes but it's a different world these days. If we hope to compete with teams who bring in top 10 classes every year AND bring in portal guys every off season to correct their recruiting misses we aren't gonna be relevant with 20ish ranked recruiting classes and little portal activity. Pretending it's still 2016 is a big mistake IMO
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Re: TNET: National analyst on recruiting: 'I've got concerns about where Clemson's headed'
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Feb 12, 2025, 9:41 PM
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'25 is a remarkable outlier under Dabo as far as a ranking and number. Believing that will be the norm ahead isn't warranted at all.
Way too much angst on what was an expected low volume gain with so few openings this past cycle. Little about the quality of incoming, and who we have already in house growing, developing, and moving up. Average star rating is solid. The several quality decommits was also an outlier, and rarity, and moves have clearly been made $ince and quickly to $#### up that flank going forward.
The prior two classes were absolutely within our home run wheelhouse in size and quality. Two years in a row leading the nation in freshman snaps from them is a great sign to what lies ahead. Are we mad that Dabo isn't running off guys to make our recruiting class size larger? And younger? I don't get it.
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Re: TNET: National analyst on recruiting: 'I've got concerns about where Clemson's headed'
Feb 12, 2025, 9:46 PM
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I agree about 2025 which is why I said we need to worry only if we follow it up with a similarly ranked class in 2026. One subpar class does not a crisis make but two in a row could portend of a regression within the program.
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Re: TNET: National analyst on recruiting: 'I've got concerns about where Clemson's headed'
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Feb 12, 2025, 3:20 PM
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He has no idea what he is talking about. Much of the lower rating is based on the sheer number of recruits in that class. The average start rating, I think, puts them close to a top 10 class, and even the start ratings do not address whether we are meeting our need position-wise.
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Re: TNET: National analyst on recruiting: 'I've got concerns about where Clemson's headed'
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Feb 12, 2025, 3:37 PM
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You know I love you Tiger links, but you really have to listen to his whole show. I wrote a long post above. Sometimes his short cuts seem wrong. But he really does respect Clemson and is knowledgeable.
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Re: TNET: National analyst on recruiting: 'I've got concerns about where Clemson's headed'
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Feb 12, 2025, 5:38 PM
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CGA ..... you may be right, but I was merely responding to the quotes from him that were posted in the article. Maybe I should take it a little easier on him, but I have forever challenged the ratings, regardless of who commented on them, based on the number of players signed. For so many years, SEC teams, like Alabama, were bringing in 25 player classes, because they culled out (ran off) scholarship players that they deemed were not good enough. Of course, a lot of their ranking was due to the fact that they were bringing in 4+ star recruits. But when we were ranked in the lower top ten, out average star rating was higher than half the teams above us.
I am not one to claim that rankings and "stars" are not important, but I am also of the opinion that coaching, watching payers in person, are at least as important as the number of stars by a name. In Bobby Bowden's last few years, they were bringing in highly recruited classes, with high start ratings, but they played like garbage. It turned out that many of the highly recruited players were basically being offered scholarships based on their rankings on Rivals and other sites without their coaches scouting and watching them in person. We don't so that. That is why some of our fellow Tnetters are baffled why we don't offer every 5-star player in the nation.
Rant over .... you know I love ya!
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Re: TNET: National analyst on recruiting: 'I've got concerns about where Clemson's headed'
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Feb 12, 2025, 3:58 PM
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Looking at recruiting class for next season, the numbers right now aren’t good, but, but! Those numbers lately have been going upward in terms of signing 5/4 Star players. Yes right now the ranking is meh 😒, but everyone knows that with a new addition of Coaches that those 5-4 star players that didn’t have Clemson on their list, now are looking and saying hey!!!, new DC, New additions to the support staff, and diving into the portal looking at potential players to help in 2026, I say let’s take a deep breath, relax and get ready to see Dabo put the 2026 class in the top 10. Remember, Clemson has never had a #1/2/3/4/5 signing class the years we competed for and won the Championship. I would be too concerned right now, it’s all good!
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Re: TNET: National analyst on recruiting: 'I've got concerns about where Clemson's headed'
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Feb 12, 2025, 4:10 PM
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OK. This is the worst class since 2010. Here is how that class panned out from their freshman year to RS senior year:
2010, freshman, 6-7
2011, sophomore, 10-4
2012, junior, 11-2
2013, senior, 11-2
2014, RS senior, 10-3.
That isn't terrible, and that class had zero base to build on. I know this is a different era with NIL, the portal, blah, blah, blah. I also know that by the time these kids are seniors, we will be in a different era. How will those eras affect us? No one knows. I like Pate, but based on the data, I'm not concerned. Dabo has done REALLY well with less.
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Oh he should have pointed out the obvious, unforgivable! Because some y'all...
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Re: TNET: National analyst on recruiting: 'I've got concerns about where Clemson's headed'
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Feb 12, 2025, 5:11 PM
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I’ve got concerns about where Josh Pate’s man b00bs are headed…they don’t want to stay in that little white t-shirt.
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I think Dabos are bigger, but to his credit, he doesnt wear t-shirts like that***
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Feb 12, 2025, 9:54 PM
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Re: TNET: National analyst on recruiting: 'I've got concerns about where Clemson's headed'
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Feb 12, 2025, 5:18 PM
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This guy has no clue! All of the changes Dabo has made is going to pay huge dividends! Those were idiotic comments by him.
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Re: TNET: National analyst on recruiting: 'I've got concerns about where Clemson's headed'
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Feb 12, 2025, 6:19 PM
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He's not wrong our recruiting has really fallen off and the classes we thought were really good 5 years ago were not what we thought. I say that to say this Dabo has made the necessary changes to help our program progress with NIL and we have put people in place to get these kids paid if needed. We won't be 26th next year bet!!!
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Re: TNET: National analyst on recruiting: 'I've got concerns about where Clemson's headed'
Feb 13, 2025, 3:07 PM
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You can notice the same Ole response from half the people commenting on this post, either making a joke about the dudes shirt, or that recruiting stars dont matter, which they really have nothing to contribute to the truth of this topic.
JP is right about our recruiting has fallen off and not just that , but he also seems to have notice its been a 3-4 yr period where the management on this team has taken a tank, its a trend he is pointing out.. bad coaching hires and losing 7 top high school recruits in one year, is a serious problem .
Clemson is playing the catchup game now with the NIL and portal , and most of you know this, why do you continue to bury your heads in the sand about it, is beyond me...all the bad decisions of not paying recruits and putting Friends/xplayers in coaching positions will put us in a bad situation after this next year...
This is the worst recruiting class since 2010 and to make statements like stars dont count is just stupid.. for 10 solid year's we recruited 5 stars and high end 4 star players and these guys produced , just take a look at what all the great players for Clemson was ranked in HS in the last 15 yrs. Of course Renfroe and Grady will be the exceptions, but most our producers were 4 star and 5 star.. To act like now all of a sudden every 3 star we get will be a stud or we don't need 5 stars is totally asinine..
Then some of you guys trying to say we have no spots for more players, so how about those 7 top players that decommited , looked like we had plenty of room for them..you cannot always sweep things under the rug like it didn't happen and alot of you guys do just that...
But also trying to say because we retain our players or our roster management is great because we retain our players, which when you lose 7 decommitments and you replace them by giving scholarships to walkons , is not a good roster management or a good exchange rate. And this problem will rear it's ugly head in the depth chart after this year and believe me when I tell you this, after this 2025 Clemson season we will have a hard time getting a record of 7-5 for a bowl bid , unless Dabo goes hard in the portal or offers up big time money to recruits, and God I hope he does!! The Luck we had over the last 4 years is about to run out on Dabos friends and family coaches and players plan... If changes are not made in NIL for recruits and a more pro active approach to the portal , then our roster management after this year will be a serious issue.
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before this season he came off as fair
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now hes just a big/sec circle jerker.
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Re: TNET: National analyst on recruiting: 'I've got concerns about where Clemson's headed'
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Feb 12, 2025, 8:17 PM
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Pate needs to lay off the BGH , its turning his neural pathways to sludge.
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Whatever dude - you guys have proven time again, that stars aren't an indicator
Feb 13, 2025, 7:20 AM
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of talent. Plus, you can bring in a 3 star, develop them, and keep them in your program and build continuity - if the 5 star doesn't play as a freshman, bam - port hole.
Stupid analyst.
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We'll see how this looks after half of the 5* talent the recruiting leaders...
Feb 13, 2025, 7:32 AM
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lose after the kids' freshman season. We already know the measurement of our recruiting class will yield solid return ratios. We barely lose 3 recruits after freshman year at Clemson.
So I ask, just how good does a freshman have to be to be worthy of a million dollar paycheck for his first season? Just how much is it going to cost to replace him when he exits for greener pasture and how much will it cost to replace his replacement two years from now?
What does that do to a team when the players view a program like a fueling station or an airport terminal? It isn't a home or a family member, it's just a one year layover.
Who can imagine what our incoming freshman class will be ranked in three years when they are developed? Who cares, Pate? Nope, he's just trying to discourage our program and bolster his SEC baby dolls.
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