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TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
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Ring of Honor [21626]
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
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Aug 25, 2024, 12:08 PM
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Money talks. People walk!!!!!
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Good riddance. He was never invested in
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Clemson to begin with.
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Orange Blooded [2327]
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Re: Tampering isnt even a word considered any longer (Thanks NCAA)
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Aug 25, 2024, 12:54 PM
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I left home after high school two time zones away. I don’t buy the wanting to be close to “mommy & daddy” bs.
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Dynasty Maker [3143]
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You mean the United States Supreme Court..
Aug 25, 2024, 10:10 PM
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and the federal courts in West Virginia and Tennessee?
The NCAA would never have willingly changed anything.
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Orange Blooded [2194]
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Re: Good riddance. He was never invested in
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I agree! He was not “all-in”. If he wanted to go to Duke (which might be a mistake), why didn’t commit to them in the first place. I guess it was show me the money and I think there was was some tampering going on.
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Because its hard to know what you want when you are 17 or 18.
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Aug 25, 2024, 2:59 PM
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There is a reason why many college students end up changing their major, dating someone new, etc.
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Re: Because its hard to know what you want when you are 17 or 18.
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Aug 25, 2024, 3:36 PM
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True enough. But it may also be true that Duke pulled out a wad.
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Dynasty Maker [3388]
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Re: Because its hard to know what you want when you are 17 or 18.
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Aug 25, 2024, 3:50 PM
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Do you have proof of anything? He has said that he was going to Duke since we recruited him. It's not hard for an eighteen year old to make of his mind. He must think that would have a easier time getting unto their "twos". The kid wanted to play.
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Re: Because its hard to know what you want when you are 17 or 18.
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Aug 25, 2024, 4:11 PM
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No proof. But I think it has happened quite a bit, By the way, neither do you have proof of anything.
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Re: Because its hard to know what you want when you are 17 or 18.
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Aug 25, 2024, 6:12 PM
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Do you have proof of anything? He has said that he was going to Duke since we recruited him. It's not hard for an eighteen year old to make of his mind. He must think that would have a easier time getting unto their "twos". The kid wanted to play.
Proof... Prior to schools/alum being able to pay players legally, when was the last time we lost a 4 star athlete to a non-football school after he already committed to us? Why ask such a question?
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He committed to us over UGA, USC and Duke
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Aug 25, 2024, 10:03 PM
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Do you.bot think that all 3 of those weren’t already offering something before the original commitment . Several of the analysts predicted he was committing to Duke the first time around. There was always something there.
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Re: He committed to us over UGA, USC and Duke
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Aug 26, 2024, 2:42 AM
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Do you.bot think that all 3 of those weren’t already offering something before the original commitment . Several of the analysts predicted he was committing to Duke the first time around. There was always something there.
This still doesn't answer the question: prior to NIL, when was the last time we lost a 4-star commit to a non-football school? Has this ever happened? I can't recall of a situation like this in my prior 20ish years of following Clemson recruiting message boards.
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
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Aug 25, 2024, 2:21 PM
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Ohhhh yes, a complete idiot would know without checking that was nothing but a higher money offer and isn't that also called tampering!!!
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Dynasty Maker [3143]
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There is no such thing as tampering...
Aug 25, 2024, 10:13 PM
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Especially for an athlete that is still in high school.
Tampering is an archaic concept.
The word no longer has meaning in college athletics.
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Re: There is no such thing as tampering...
Aug 26, 2024, 2:58 PM
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Apparently, neither does the term "committed"
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Hopefully
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He enjoys watching Clemson win another Championship from whatever couch he is watching from whenever it happens.
GO TIGERS!
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
Aug 25, 2024, 11:28 PM
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Forest Gump once said,Mama says, "Stupid is as stupid does."
So good luck with that stupid decision. You are the only 4-star recruit on a recruiting class with 23 3-star recruits, that are predominantly medium-low to low 3-star recruits. That stupid decision might make you a little richer in the short term, but you will be on a Puke Bluedevils team that will strive to mediocre at best. Last year's team was one of the best teams they have had in decades. Puke will be mid-level to low mid-level, maybe bottom feeders while you are there, likely greatly reducing your chances of being a decent draft selection. Maybe you can play down to the 3-star level while there, if you don't hit the portal in a year or two. ####, some people make such stupid decisions to have a little bit more ca$h to put in the bubblegum machine. He could have played at Clemson and Georgia (UGA)!!!
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
Aug 26, 2024, 10:19 PM
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Forest Gump once said,Mama says, "Stupid is as stupid does."
So good luck with that stupid decision. You are the only 4-star recruit on a recruiting class with 23 3-star recruits, that are predominantly medium-low to low 3-star recruits. That stupid decision might make you a little richer in the short term, but you will be on a Puke Bluedevils team that will strive to mediocre at best. Last year's team was one of the best teams they have had in decades. Puke will be mid-level to low mid-level, maybe bottom feeders while you are there, likely greatly reducing your chances of being a decent draft selection. Maybe you can play down to the 3-star level while there, if you don't hit the portal in a year or two. ####, some people make such stupid decisions to have a little bit more ca$h to put in the bubblegum machine. He could have played at Clemson and Georgia (UGA)!!!
........................................................................................................Mediocre at best? You do realize that we lost to them last year correct? What's that make us?
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
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Aug 25, 2024, 12:10 PM
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Homeboy not ready to launch.
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
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Aug 25, 2024, 12:17 PM
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He’s closer to home, I see why he chose Duke
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It makes Sense if: 1) He wants immediate Playing Time 2) Wants to become
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Aug 25, 2024, 12:25 PM
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A Medical Doctor 3) Much more upfront Cash. Otherwise, enjoy playing in front of 25-35 k for Home Games. Also, Manny Diaz will probably be gone before he is finished at Duke!!!
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My daughter graduated Clemson and is a MD.***
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Re: My daughter graduated Clemson and is a MD.***
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Aug 25, 2024, 1:58 PM
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So did I and nobody cares that you went to duke even when it comes to competitive schools/residencies
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Re: My daughter graduated Clemson and is a MD.***
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I wasn’t trying to insinuate that you could not become an MD without going to the University of New Jersey @ Durham!
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Mine too- Duke is like a foreign country
Aug 25, 2024, 3:35 PM
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We went to visit there when she was deciding on colleges & being a WASP was a minority. Thankfully, she got it right and picked the Tigers.
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Re: My daughter graduated Clemson and is a MD.***
Aug 25, 2024, 4:20 PM
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That is objectively false. Duke absolutely helps get into a better medical school, even if GPA/MCAT still reign supreme. And the quality of med school makes a tremendous difference in what residencies/fellowships you're competitive for. You don't see MUSC grads at elite hospitals for that reason.
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
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Aug 25, 2024, 2:20 PM
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Didn’t he live closer to Duke before he “committed” to Clemson? Methinks more was going on here.
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
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Aug 25, 2024, 2:33 PM
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Stop with the uneducated narrative you are pushing.
Clemson is top 15 in average NIL $/player.
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Dynasty Maker [3143]
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Exactly******
Aug 25, 2024, 10:15 PM
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he chose clemson first to drive up the duke offer***
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Re: he chose clemson first to drive up the duke offer***
Aug 25, 2024, 3:38 PM
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Could be the case.
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
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Aug 25, 2024, 12:21 PM
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I’m sorry what? We lost a 4*, to Duke University??? in football?!? Even with NIL money, make it make sense. DE is arguably our most successful position group and most clear NFL pipeline, and he flipped, to DUKE?!? I need a beer
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Sucks, but the sun will come up tomorrow and the world will keep on
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Aug 25, 2024, 12:21 PM
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spinning.
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Re: Sucks, but the sun will come up tomorrow and the world will keep on
Aug 25, 2024, 1:15 PM
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But but … what if it doesn’t?
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Re: Sucks, but the sun will come up tomorrow and the world will keep on- yep
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we will all be fine either way. It is something that happens and if he doesnt want Clemson why have him stay , invest a year developing him and then he transfers.
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Hell probably end up at UGA after the next round of offers.***
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Re: Hell probably end up at UGA after the next round of offers.***
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You really cant count anything until signing day at best
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Another Kid Destined For 2-3 Trips Into The Transfer Toilet
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Aug 25, 2024, 12:32 PM
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You can bet $$ on it.
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Re: Another Kid Destined For 2-3 Trips Into The Transfer Toilet
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Aug 25, 2024, 1:23 PM
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Yessiree.
Duke is a good platform for him to get immediate playing time.
The bigger money programs will evaluate the film and determine what to pay him.
If he’s just OK, then S.Carolina or NC State will ‘win’ the Bryce sweepstakes.
If he’s gangbusters, then the REAL money schools will conduct their auction.
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
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Aug 25, 2024, 12:44 PM
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Another NIL candidate …enjoy that short term money son it want last long
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
Aug 25, 2024, 12:47 PM
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Enjoy playing for a team that won't win a lot. Follow that money. Story of NIL, no loyalty at all.
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
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He grew up in NC. Lived there his entire life. All he has ever heard regarding college sports is UNC and Duke. No one in NC , not a Clemson grad,, likes Clemson. Greensboro is UNC/DUKE. Throw in the NIL loot and homeboy's family and friends can drive an hour to see him play and can get good seats without having to spend a fortune. If he shines, he will be drafted. The NFL is full of players from schools not in top 10.
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
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Aug 25, 2024, 2:30 PM
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Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, and I respect yours, but he had already committed to Clemson and once he committed Duke come after him with a bigger $$$$cash$$$$ offer, and I 100% believe that is what happen with this this Davis kid, he took the money over playing with a team that could win another Natty before he graduates or leave for the NFL!!!
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Yep. This NIL nonsense is absolute trash and im sick of seeing idiots defending***
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
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Aug 25, 2024, 12:59 PM
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“A team that won’t win a lot…”
They did whip our Tigers not more than a year ago, so there’s that.
It used to be that Clemson was the premier football program in this conference and the best players in the region coveted a Clemson offer. Now, we’re not at the top and there are other options. We’ve played ourselves into this position.
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
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You sir are a m o r o n. Duke was also in the ACC championship this past decade, so what. Beating the Tigers 1 time didn't flip his commitment. 247 said Clemson is top 5 in talent so just quit with your m o r o n i c complaining. It's obvious your football knowledge is nill. Idc where the kid goes but thinking Clemson only winning 30 games the past 3 years had anything to do with it shows your ignorance. I can guarantee you Duke hasn't won 30 games the past 3 years and the coaching staff that beat Clemson last year is gone. I swear ppl like you should move on to a different fan base. Maybe be a Bama fan bc they are the only ones that meet your high standard the past 16 years. Clearly Clemson being in a transition period just isn't good enough for you. Unfortunately we all know you aren't going anywhere and the only time you'll comment is when it's time to complain so I'll just end it with a f u c k you and have a good day.
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You seem to be taking this way too seriously.
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Aug 25, 2024, 3:01 PM
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Relax.
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Re: You seem to be taking this way too seriously.
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TROLL ALERT!!!
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
Aug 25, 2024, 1:41 PM
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Yeah, they have the money to spread around. Duke's Trust Funds:
As of June 30, 2023, the university’s endowment was comprised of more than 6,000 individual funds totaling approximately $11.6 billion.
Compare that to Clemson at ~$1 billion.
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NIL has nothing to do with a schools endowment.
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LOL.
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Mediocre people don't like high achievers...accurate description of you shill I
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Re: NIL has nothing to do with a schools endowment.
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It's called discretionary funds Judge. Even Clemson endowment has it broken down with discretionary funds category that can be used, well discretionary. And if you don't think Vandy, Duke and others haven't used endowment funds to aid athletics, you are just stupid.
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Its sad that you and others always think its money when we lose one.***
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
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Do schools use endowment $$$ for recruiting purposes? If this were the case, Yale and Harvard should enter the sweepstakes and take football back 100 years.
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Yep, before NIL it was
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“The coaching staff softened on him, they are targeting X player instead,” or some other excuse like that.
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Re: Yep, before NIL it was
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Posters using that is really a cut on Dabo and all the staff. Saying the kid has little values or character because he decommited, or that he was a developmental player etc doesn't speak highly of our staff. We really wanted this kid and he has tons of talent.
He is one of our highest rated players. Make no mistake, this one hurts. Sorry to see we missed on him. The staff was counting on this kid and probably a starter in his sophomore year.
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
Aug 25, 2024, 9:45 PM
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Spiderman...It "want" Seriously? Why won't it? Sorry, please disregard comment if you still in grade school.
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
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IMO, he was promised early PT and NIL before earning it.
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Have fun winning 5 games a year playing in front of 12,000 spectators, playing second fiddle to Duke Basketball and being home in December and January. Last year was a fluke, Duke will be back to their old selves again being in the basement of the ACC.
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Game Changer [1990]
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
Aug 25, 2024, 12:58 PM
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And a Duke degree ain’t nothing to sneeze at if you’re thinking that MD is your future vs NFL
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
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Aug 25, 2024, 1:05 PM
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If you were thinking of becoming an MD to begin with, Clemson would not have been a consideration.
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
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Aug 25, 2024, 1:32 PM
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Although, anyone with a modest degree of worldliness would know that simply getting an undergrad degree from Duke does not automatically equate to be accepted into med school, nor does getting a degree from Clemson exclude that person from being able to get accepted into med school.
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Exactly. Plenty of Clemson grads are MDs. Ask my daughter!***
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
Aug 25, 2024, 3:46 PM
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IF one is smart enough to pursue such a career. Most football guys go after Parks and Recreation majors or Basket Weaving.
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Game Day Hero [4180]
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Shouldn't be shocked, but still surprised given Clemson's reputation
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Aug 25, 2024, 12:56 PM
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With producing quality D-linemen. Guess he wanted more up front from Duke instead down the road NIL/NFL $ he'd have gotten here.
If we're gonna be honest, no CFB fan should get excited about a commit until their name hits the fax machine on NSD. Not w/ how things are now.
Hopefully staff will flip or find a guy to fill that void in the class.
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Game Changer [1836]
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
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Aug 25, 2024, 12:59 PM
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It will be easier to get playing time at Duke. You have to work for it at Clemson.
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
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Aug 25, 2024, 1:06 PM
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IF he actually goes to Duke, he'll land at the next highest bidder in year two, three and four!! NIL & TP totally eliminate the very meaning of "commitment", to ones word and their TEAM!!
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Game Changer [1950]
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
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Aug 25, 2024, 1:27 PM
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Next man up.
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
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Aug 25, 2024, 1:29 PM
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Embarrassing that Duke Football is flipping our recruits. Sorry, There is no way to spin it.
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
Aug 25, 2024, 1:36 PM
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Lowest rated of our DL recruits. Say he wanted more than Adams, Watford, and Campbell, are you going to give him more? Seems you just move on to another fish. Sure, you’d like to keep him, but if the NIL game is what’s he’s playing, you have to pick and choose your spots.
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
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Aug 25, 2024, 3:23 PM
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Not entirely true. We needed him at strongside edge and we'll be thin after next year. Make no mistake, we wanted this kid. It's a big hit to lose.
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
Aug 25, 2024, 4:06 PM
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I'm not saying he wasn't highly valued, but do you give him a higher NIL package than what you give the players rated above him? What does that say to those guys? Do they come back to the table wanting a bigger bag for themselves? Like I said, you've got to pick your spots. Not sure this is an area where the coaching staff wants to keep increasing the offer. I'm sure they know the price tag if they want to revisit it, but right now, they don't seem to deem it worth it.
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Clemson Conqueror [11647]
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
Aug 25, 2024, 4:23 PM
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Maybe I am naive, but are we offering "NIL Packages". It is my understanding that our "package" is ... if you come here and perform, there will be plenty of NIL money.
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
Aug 25, 2024, 4:45 PM
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According to Jason Priester, we are, and from his conversations with recruits parents, they are very competitive.
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Paw Warrior [4604]
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The Devil you say! Not the first Bryce to go to Duke.
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Aug 25, 2024, 1:33 PM
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Until we meet again, enjoy your days at that basketball school. Go Tigers!!
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
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Aug 25, 2024, 1:36 PM
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This is why it's pointless to follow recruiting anymore in the PFP era.
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Paw Warrior [4751]
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Wow***
Aug 25, 2024, 1:38 PM
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National Champion [7474]
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
Aug 25, 2024, 1:39 PM
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Duke?!
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Legend [7034]
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
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Aug 25, 2024, 1:44 PM
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Another shopper/hopper who was "all in" til he wasn't
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I never thought I would see the day that we lost a prized football recruit
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Aug 25, 2024, 1:48 PM
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to Duke.
Unreal.
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Just think, UGA lost the same recruit to Duke.***
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
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Aug 25, 2024, 1:49 PM
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Bye.....
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110%er [3930]
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Stop announcing commitments-it is meaningless until signing day***
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Aug 25, 2024, 2:02 PM
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Re: Stop announcing commitments-it is meaningless until signing day***
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Aug 25, 2024, 3:48 PM
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Nope. It's meaningless until they make their first catch, carry, pass, tackle, block, or kick.
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Orange Elite [5486]
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
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Aug 25, 2024, 2:06 PM
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Haha! Duke football paying MFers now...man it's crazy these days.
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
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Aug 25, 2024, 2:16 PM
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Talking to him after his commitment, I know that he was undecided an hour and a half before his announcement. His final 3 where Clemson, UGA and Duke, SC was never really in it. His parents are real big on Duke, in fact I think his dad was a bit disappointed he didn't choose Duke to begin with. Lots can happen between now and signing day. He's a good kid from a good family.
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
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Aug 25, 2024, 2:29 PM
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I hate what so called college football has become in the last few years. But atleast it's made it to where I could care less about where kids go anymore. Flip on that
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
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Aug 25, 2024, 2:29 PM
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All about $, whether HS or the portal. Check out FSU's last two games if you want to see how well that works! Either All-in or OUT. You made the choice son so enjoy all those L's at Duke
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
Aug 25, 2024, 3:52 PM
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I agree. Elko took coaches with him. And a bunch of players also left. Manny Diaz is inheriting a mess.
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Standout [345]
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
Aug 25, 2024, 2:30 PM
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It's your career...hope you enjoy Duke.
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Orange Beast [6377]
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
Aug 25, 2024, 2:52 PM
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Hate to lose him, but Duke is a short drive for his family to see him play. Who knows, maybe he grew up a Duke fan. Them beating us last year probably helped give their FB program credibility with him. Anyway, we got to move forward.
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Dynasty Maker [3427]
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coot***
Aug 25, 2024, 2:56 PM
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Dynasty Maker [3427]
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My vote was stolen
Aug 25, 2024, 3:07 PM
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I didn't read the article but I know someone lost priorities
I don't understand the full meaning of dreads and not sure I am supposed to.
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Dynasty Maker [3427]
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Re: My vote was stolen
Aug 25, 2024, 3:12 PM
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I am still a DJ U fan deep down. Darn Cookie
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
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With our unwritten no-compete clause regarding NIL, this is a sign of more misses to come. As much as we want Dabo's ethically correct values to work, it's now a money driven game (recruiting). We will either pay or we better keep those natty's from 16 and 18 polished because there will not be anymore anytime soon. Flame away, but the facts are that the majority of high school kids will never turn down 250k-500k. Ever!!
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Yea Punks***
Aug 25, 2024, 4:08 PM
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
Aug 25, 2024, 4:14 PM
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Not really. Once the House settlement is finalized, and we're paying players directly, all major schools will be working with the same pool of money for revenue distribution. The NIL collectives can be brought in house to work for the university, where we'll have more say, or they can work outside as collectives. Any 3rd Party NIL deal over $600 has to go through the conference and NCAA clearinghouse to make sure they're legitimate, and to make sure they're market value. So, no, what is happening is not a sign of things to come. Right now it's the wild west.
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Game Changer [1662]
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
Aug 25, 2024, 9:20 PM
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NCAA clearinghouse? Is this the same clearinghouse that decides so fairly on hardship transfers?? Asking for a friend 😅
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
Aug 26, 2024, 8:54 AM
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Did you miss the part where I said "Conference" as well? Asking for a friend? While I don't expect the NCAA to have any teeth, the conference is an entirely different animal.
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Dynasty Maker [3143]
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Not so.
Aug 25, 2024, 10:20 PM
[ in reply to Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke ] |
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1. That settlement is proposed. It has not been finalized.
2. If upheld, it only applies to NIL paid by the schools.
3. Private NIL deals will still predominate with elite athletes.
4. The NCAA cannot interfere with it regulate private NIL deals whatsoever.
The rulings in Alston vs NCAA, Te vessel vs NCAA, and Ohio vs. NCAA still keep the NCAA out of that.
The House settlement diesb't iveride either the Interstate Commerce Act or the Sherman Antitrust Act.
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Re: Not so.
Aug 26, 2024, 9:16 AM
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1. Never claimed it was, and even wrote "Once finalized". The conferences have agreed to it though.
2. No, players would be required to report any 3rd Party NIL deal above $600, which is not what is paid by the schools, but what is paid by the outside NIL collectives. This would go to the "clearing house" run by the conferences to see if they are fair market value.
3. I'm sure NIL deals would still be a bigtime cash cow with elite athletes, but you'll have less hands in the cookie jar if they're getting revenue sharing directly from the schools who get to set their own "salary cap" based on what they allocate of the $20 million.
4. NCAA may not be able to, and they seem to admit those limitations in the settlement, but we don't yet know the willingness or power that will be granted to the individual conferences. Regardless, even with the settlement, the conferences want congress to step in and provide legislation.
College football is moving towards an NFL model, whether people want to believe it or not. I'd say, in 10 years time, all of these players will be considered employees, they'll probably have a legitimate union, and there will be collective bargaining. You'll start seeing LOI's become 4-5 year contracts, and with this settlement, you're already seeing a salary cap. Will any of the house settlement work? Idk, but the current environment is not sustainable when it relies on boosters to fund the whims of 18-22 y/o's.
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Dynasty Maker [3143]
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The NIL collectives aren't going to be brought in house.
Aug 26, 2024, 4:02 AM
[ in reply to Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke ] |
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No one can force them to do that.
They would be crazy to give up their autonomy, which means they won't.
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Paw Warrior [4687]
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
Aug 25, 2024, 4:34 PM
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lol.
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Orange Beast [6492]
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the list of Clemson flips or transfers that succeed
Aug 25, 2024, 7:12 PM
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is very small
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
Aug 25, 2024, 7:14 PM
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Who does Clemson target now that there is room for another DE in the class?
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Any diamonds in the rough at D.W. Daniel?***
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
Aug 25, 2024, 7:39 PM
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I wish I knew what they are building there. Duke has 25 recruits and he is the only 4 star. That doesn't sound like they are building too much there, he went for money and nothing else, be honest young man.
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Tiger Titan [46619]
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If he is by far their highest rated recruit
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Aug 25, 2024, 10:15 PM
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then why is anyone suggesting that they have huge NIL funds to buy recruits?
If that were true, you would think that they would be getting plenty of 4 and 5 star guys.
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Paw Master [16273]
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
Aug 25, 2024, 8:19 PM
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I hate it that Clemson lost this recruit.
But if my son could make several hundred thousand the year after high school at Duke, then transfer somewhere else in year 2 for another couple of hundred thousand, the deal would make sense to me.
Go Tigers!!
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Athletic Dir [1163]
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
Aug 25, 2024, 8:45 PM
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Hard to argue your point but it’s sad that we as a society now almost always place value above values.
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Game Changer [1684]
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Isn't that what you do at your job?
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Aug 25, 2024, 9:46 PM
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Or do you turn down higher better offers?
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Dynasty Maker [3143]
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Aug 25, 2024, 10:23 PM
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The hypocrisy of those that trash college athletes for taking better offers when they changed jobs for more money is nauseatingly hypocritical. 🤮🤮🤮
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Game Changer [2093]
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
Aug 26, 2024, 8:31 AM
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I would respect him more if he was just honest. Duke has no culture and their coach just left.
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Commissioner [1287]
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
Aug 26, 2024, 9:43 AM
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He sucked anyway
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Any word if NIL money was a factor?
Aug 26, 2024, 12:27 PM
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I wish all NIL deals were fully, correctly, completely reported. Then, in games, along w/ scores, one can always see the NIL details, and for player stats like
Attempts Completions Yards Ints NIL
23 17 200 1 $1,000,000
etc.
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Re: TNET: Clemson DE commit flips to Duke
Aug 26, 2024, 2:27 PM
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These kids need to learn what the word commitment means. Or perhaps they know and have no honor. Good riddance.
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