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TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 3:01 PM
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 3:03 PM
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Water is wet !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Paw Warrior [4646]
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 3:03 PM
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Well that was uneventful. I just pray that Dabo has saw this coming and had the people in place that he wanted and we will be fine. I believe we will, but we sure need to pick it up recruiting wise or either in the portal!
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Paw Warrior [4646]
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 3:04 PM
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And every good coach had to get a start somewhere, and these guys have had some good ones to learn from!
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 7:12 PM
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Imagine a Stamp that read Dabo Approved, we would see that stamp on every hire within!!!!
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 3:04 PM
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No eye candy here. We’ll see how things develop!
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 3:58 PM
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Not sure what your definition of eye candy is, but I for one am very pleased with this. Good luck!
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All-TigerNet [5864]
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 4:25 PM
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Of course you are
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 4:38 PM
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Nice! Congrats!
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 7:26 PM
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Oh I got now, you are that inside source that some of these guys call there inside source. Shame on you for all the wrong inside sourcing some of those guys had
Congrats!!!
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 6:10 PM
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Now that was tacky !
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Well, at least we're saving some money on the coaches.
Dec 14, 2021, 3:04 PM
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I always have been in favor of the lower salary/higher bonus way of pay anyway.
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 3:05 PM
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Meh
Maybe we hire an analyst or someone who can improve the passing game.
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Paw Warrior [4754]
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 3:07 PM
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Yikes ..
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 3:05 PM
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Done deal, lets move on.
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All-TigerNet [5612]
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Saving a ton of $$$ on assistants***
Dec 14, 2021, 3:06 PM
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Rival Killer [3009]
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Re: Saving a ton of $$$ on assistants***
Dec 14, 2021, 3:07 PM
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We get what we pay for.
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Re: Saving a ton of $$$ on assistants***
Dec 14, 2021, 3:10 PM
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Is that how it worked out with Dabo? Pretty sure he was lowest paid head coach in ACC, maybe P5, at one point?
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Clemson Conqueror [11364]
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we also weren't a top 5 program in the country at the time.***
Dec 14, 2021, 3:17 PM
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Re: we also weren't a top 5 program in the country at the time.***
Dec 14, 2021, 3:59 PM
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Remind me...how much play calling experience did Tony Elliott and Jeff Scott have when they took over for Morris?? Did you just say "less than Streeter"?
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Re: we also weren't a top 5 program in the country at the time.***
Dec 14, 2021, 4:48 PM
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And Elliott was grossly incompetent and should have been fired if he didn't leave...
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Yea.. he was just the OC for two national titles... SMFH***
Dec 14, 2021, 5:48 PM
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Re: Yea.. he was just the OC for two national titles... SMFH***
Dec 15, 2021, 1:19 AM
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Oh, which title was he the sole OC for? That's something I didn't know. Please illuminate me by telling me which year he was mooching on Scott's success.
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Re: we also weren't a top 5 program in the country at the time.***
Dec 14, 2021, 7:51 PM
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Jeff had 1 season of High School head coaching experience, in that year, Jeff's team won the HS state championship that year with the schools Inaugural FB program....
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Re: Saving a ton of $$$ on assistants***
Dec 14, 2021, 7:34 PM
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Hope you're not talking about the 6-7 Dabo.
Message was edited by: allinallorangeallthetime52®
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Re: Saving a ton of $$$ on assistants***
Dec 14, 2021, 3:44 PM
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That’s a load of BS. If you are buying an undervalued house - do you not buy it because it costs too little? Do you buy the same house three blocks away that costs more? Nope.
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Re: Saving a ton of $$$ on assistants***
Dec 15, 2021, 6:25 PM
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The yard birds always go for hiring the well known expensive coaches. How has that worked out for them? They can only dream about being like Clemson.
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Re: Saving a ton of $$$ on assistants***
Dec 14, 2021, 3:32 PM
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We will still need to backfill multiple analyst/non-field coach positions.
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Clemson Conqueror [11364]
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we have plenty of seniors graduating for those roles.***
Dec 14, 2021, 3:38 PM
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Legend [6802]
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Re: we have plenty of seniors graduating for those roles.***
Dec 14, 2021, 3:47 PM
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Typically these roles are for veterans. They are not grad assistant roles.
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That's not what it's about.
Dec 14, 2021, 3:47 PM
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Dabo started Jeff Scott and Tony Elliot out pretty low on the pay scale so he would have some room to pay them more with consideration of their shared positions. When these guys prove to Dabo they earn more than they make Dabo will adjust their pay accordingly.
Some may think that's unfair but if you look back at Dabo's starting pay and look at it now you can see what I mean.
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Re: That's not what it's about.
Dec 14, 2021, 7:34 PM
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Dabo and Brownell pretty much earned the same salary their first year here back in the day.
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 3:07 PM
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Not gonna lie, I’m not a fan of Conn in the DC role at all. I think you can take a chance on one side of the ball, but both sides is just playing with fire.
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I think Goodwin will be the real DC***
Dec 14, 2021, 3:14 PM
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Whew, he may need a GET UP THERE coach...
Dec 14, 2021, 3:29 PM
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He might be brilliant and I hope it works out, but he needs to talk Skalski into staying and helping.
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 5:26 PM
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Not gonna lie, I’m not a fan of Conn in the DC role at all. I think you can take a chance on one side of the ball, but both sides is just playing with fire.
Based on the salary and how I read the article, I think Goodwin is a step above Conn. I liked what Arians said about his aggressive nature.
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 10:17 PM
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The good thing about us fans is we can speculate and give our opinions, but we should trust Dabo. End of story. Let’s not be keyboard warriors and act like we know more of the ends and outs than them.
Go Tigers!
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 10:17 PM
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The good thing about us fans is we can speculate and give our opinions, but we should trust Dabo. End of story. Let’s not be keyboard warriors and act like we know more of the ends and outs than them.
Go Tigers!
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 3:07 PM
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Wow, it pays to be a friend of Dabo doesn’t it Mickey?
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 3:14 PM
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I'd like to see full staff, e.g, C.J
spilled, et al
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Orange Immortal [62071]
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Let the idiot posts really crank up now.***
Dec 14, 2021, 3:09 PM
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Hall of Famer [8962]
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I trust a motivated Dabo who is being questioned.
Dec 14, 2021, 3:11 PM
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SIC EM!
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Re: Let the idiot posts really crank up now.***
Dec 14, 2021, 3:11 PM
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No idiot post if it's someone's opinion and they're not denigrating any coach or player. That's why it's called a discussion board.
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Re: Let the idiot posts really crank up now.***
Dec 14, 2021, 3:28 PM
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On target, as usual...
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 3:16 PM
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So I deduct Streeter is remaining the QB coach. And essentially no new staff except whatever Wes's title was. And of course smotherman. Maybe Skalski could be the new smotherman.
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Maybe Skalski could be the new smotherman.
Dec 14, 2021, 3:19 PM
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This wont work--who will keep Skalski from grabbing a helmet and going in ?
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Re: Maybe Skalski could be the new smotherman.
Dec 14, 2021, 3:33 PM
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why would we want to?
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 3:18 PM
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Now it’s set, let’s get behind the new coaches/roles and get back to playing dominant Clemson football.
My opinion, Streeter deserves an opportunity he did pretty well at the fcs level. Don’t know much about Goodwin but if Brent wanted him at OU with him, that says a lot.
Go Tigers!
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Man, that was some shotgun post.***
Dec 14, 2021, 4:07 PM
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 3:18 PM
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Now it’s set, let’s get behind the new coaches/roles and get back to playing dominant Clemson football.
My opinion, Streeter deserves an opportunity he did pretty well at the fcs level. Don’t know much about Goodwin but if Brent wanted him at OU with him, that says a lot.
Go Tigers!
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 3:18 PM
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Now it’s set, let’s get behind the new coaches/roles and get back to playing dominant Clemson football.
My opinion, Streeter deserves an opportunity he did pretty well at the fcs level. Don’t know much about Goodwin but if Brent wanted him at OU with him, that says a lot.
Go Tigers!
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 3:18 PM
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Now it’s set, let’s get behind the new coaches/roles and get back to playing dominant Clemson football.
My opinion, Streeter deserves an opportunity he did pretty well at the fcs level. Don’t know much about Goodwin but if Brent wanted him at OU with him, that says a lot.
Go Tigers!
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 3:18 PM
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Now it’s set, let’s get behind the new coaches/roles and get back to playing dominant Clemson football.
My opinion, Streeter deserves an opportunity he did pretty well at the fcs level. Don’t know much about Goodwin but if Brent wanted him at OU with him, that says a lot.
Go Tigers!
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 3:18 PM
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Now it’s set, let’s get behind the new coaches/roles and get back to playing dominant Clemson football.
My opinion, Streeter deserves an opportunity he did pretty well at the fcs level. Don’t know much about Goodwin but if Brent wanted him at OU with him, that says a lot.
Go Tigers!
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 3:18 PM
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Now it’s set, let’s get behind the new coaches/roles and get back to playing dominant Clemson football.
My opinion, Streeter deserves an opportunity he did pretty well at the fcs level. Don’t know much about Goodwin but if Brent wanted him at OU with him, that says a lot.
Go Tigers!
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 3:18 PM
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Now it’s set, let’s get behind the new coaches/roles and get back to playing dominant Clemson football.
My opinion, Streeter deserves an opportunity he did pretty well at the fcs level. Don’t know much about Goodwin but if Brent wanted him at OU with him, that says a lot.
Go Tigers!
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Game Changer [1789]
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Ok. Now it’s set.***
Dec 14, 2021, 3:45 PM
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Been set after the first 3. ??***
Dec 14, 2021, 4:09 PM
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 3:18 PM
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Now it’s set, let’s get behind the new coaches/roles and get back to playing dominant Clemson football.
My opinion, Streeter deserves an opportunity he did pretty well at the fcs level. Don’t know much about Goodwin but if Brent wanted him at OU with him, that says a lot.
Go Tigers!
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 3:23 PM
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Posted 10 times???? We got it.
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 4:08 PM
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LOL look on the bright side. Saved you a dozen posts worth of actually reading!
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Doesn’t move the needle for me. We’ll see in august I guess***
Dec 14, 2021, 3:19 PM
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 3:21 PM
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Ok…now we know. Let’s go win this bowl game and solidify our recruiting class!
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 3:24 PM
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Thankfully, that's now behind us. As much as I was looking/hoping for a 'outsiders' with solid OC and DC experience and credentials, it's hard to argue with Dabo's success at putting a staff together over the years. He probably has a good point that the players will be happy with the route he's taken given their familiarity with the coaches. I do hope to see noticeable improvements in the offensive play calling in the bowl game versus ISU, i.e. fewer RPOs for DJ.
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 4:50 PM
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So Wood Potter, was there anything with our play calling against the chickens?
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Legend [6896]
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Please add more dynamic asst. coaches such Skalski & Eric Ma
Dec 14, 2021, 3:26 PM
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MacLain. As it is, we don't need a get back coach anymore, more like a GET UP THERE coach.
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Paw Warrior [4815]
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Yikes. I hope this works out well.
Dec 14, 2021, 3:29 PM
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I have my doubts. We’ll know in a year or two.
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Game Changer [1990]
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Re: TNET: There are on 2 ways this will go
Dec 14, 2021, 3:29 PM
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These guys are hungry and will be successful or they will feel fat and happy and fail. Just like the players they have to prove it. I'm hopeful and supporting they will prove to be successful. If not then the rubber meets the road.
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 3:30 PM
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Congrats fellas!!!!
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 3:31 PM
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I don't view Streeter as an upgrade, but I also don't think he will be worse than Tony either. For the most part, I think he will perform as well as Tony did.
Arians and Dabo love the new DC and he's in his mid-30s. I don't know, but I feel optimistic that this dude knows defense. Losing BV hurts, but it sounds like we are replacing him with a future coaching star.
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 3:31 PM
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I'm good with it. Ignore these naysayers on here who want to pour water on a staff that's produced and had one "off" year.
Streeter turned Cole Stoudt into a competent QB that beat Oklahoma. That alone impressed me.
Goodwin? If he was good enough for the NFL, I'm cool with it.
This isn't a clueless coach making these decisions. This is Dabo freakin' Swinney. I trust the man to make the right moves. And if they're wrong, he'll correct them. He's shown that in the past.
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I’m good since selections are from a future HoF College HC..
Dec 14, 2021, 3:33 PM
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D A B O Swinney!
Go TiGERS..Jeep ROCKing!
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There was more to Cole being playing so well...
Dec 14, 2021, 3:56 PM
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in that game than Just Brandon's coaching. Chad was also gone. The man has one offense which Cole was never trained to execute. Cole was a pro QB from 8th grade and just couldn't do what Chad lived by.
I attribute Cole's success in that game to Brandon, Tony and mostly to Jeff who managed the passing game. Let me not forget Dabo's selection between passing and running during that game.
Nothing delighted me more than seeing Cole end his football career than such a valiant and successful performance.
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 4:56 PM
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Hahaha, telling you have to go back to Cole Stoudt to find something Streeter actually did. You definitely can't say he did a good job coaching any of the others. Trevor actively became a worse passer under him. Deshaun had to hire a private coach. And how did Bryant, Johnson, Cooper, and Brice do while they were under him?
Also, I'm sick of this Cole Stoudt argument. He had a great game against Oklahoma. He threw for 319 yards and had 3 TDs. What people forget is that Oklahoma was the #120 passing defense in 2014. They allowed 300 yards passing a game. Stoudt did what the average QB did against them, and he did it with Mike Williams, Artavis Scott, Adam Humphries, and Charon Peake, four NFL players, including probably the second best WR Clemson ever had and one of the best tight-ends. I'm still thrilled with Stoudt's performance, but you can't hang your hat on that game, considering the rest of Streeter's body of work.
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 5:13 PM
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Deaf Coot!
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 15, 2021, 1:17 AM
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Talk to me when you can't count your posts on your fingers and toes. I actually attended Clemson unlike the sunshine pumpers here. But I'm not content accepting mediocrity.
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 3:33 PM
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I guest all of the monday morning coaches will give there hires
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 3:34 PM
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 3:41 PM
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I know this will upset some people, but it is my opinion. None of these coaches will impress recruits. Their names are not big in the college landscape. We paid 2 million to TE, 2.5 million to BV, which means we had the money to get a big name DC/OC and instead we promote people who outside of Clemson, no one knows. Some people have said that big name coaches had to get their start somewhere. While that is true, it usually is not at a Top 5 program in the country. Heck, Nick even got his start at Kent State. Nick also loses coordinators all the time, but he usually brings in someone who is already known (Kiffin, O'Brian, Locksley, etc). I still feel we should have went after Joe Brady and Jim Leonhard, but whats done is done and I hope Dabo is right this time. Also, Venables was already known in the country as he was a Co-DC for Oklahoma before coming to Clemson.
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you bring in an outside coordinator and most of these
Dec 14, 2021, 3:55 PM
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coaches won't be around in a year and that new guy is not going to understand how Dabo and Clemson culture work. The culture Dabo has built both external brand and culture within the staff are the most important things to Clemson success. These guys have been trained to do this for years - they are the basis and the product of what he has built. I'm still much more concerned about the poor Roster Management and NIL being reigned in as those are by far our biggest threats. Not who we named as coordinators. These guys are known by the recruits(the ones already in the pipeline) as they have been the ones developing the relationships with those players, families and their HS coaches.
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Re: you bring in an outside coordinator and most of these
Dec 14, 2021, 4:32 PM
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Thats not true, recruits will stay with a coach who is proven over culture. Most these 5 and 4 star recruits want to get with a school who can prepare them for the NFL. Ever wonder why Kansas never gets those type of players? Its because they have nothing to offer.
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 4:30 PM
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Brady did say that, I read that, but I also read that no big name college has approached him. Who is to say if Clemson approached him that he would not have accepted. Just a thought not a fact!
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 4:45 PM
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Brady did say that, I read that, but I also read that no big name college has approached him. Who is to say if Clemson approached him that he would not have accepted. Just a thought not a fact!
He hates the recruiting part of CFB...
the reason he wants to be in the NFL....
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 5:26 PM
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I used Joe Brady as an example of experience. I just feel that Clemson should have at least interviewed outside coordinators. We are not South Carolina, Duke, Kansas State, we are Clemson. The culture thing is fine but how many 5 stars and 4 stars are we passing up for culture. Joe Brady's name alone would bring in recruits. Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, LSU, etc offer 400 recruits a year, Clemson offers 100. Ever wonder why AL, GA, OSU, LSU get all the recruits? Its because they offer everyone knowing they wont get them all. Im getting sick of the culture aspect when its apparent culture idea is becoming a foregone conclusion to winning!
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Nick is the debil, Bobby.
Dec 14, 2021, 4:05 PM
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You want a Saban type program that oversigns and culls though players like they are sheep; one that averages hiring 1.2 coordinators each and every year? Lame Kitten was hired for one or two years only to institute some HUNH wide open offense so Saban could recruit more exciting quarterbacks and more top wide receivers.
The most important factor, imho, is that Dabo trained these guys. There is no waste of time getting to know them, it takes no time for them to adjust to anything. In fact, they have been preparing to make changes as Dabo has dictated.
All the hires have been groomed for their positions. These weren't Dabo's second choice, I believe they are his first choice. It wouldn't surprise me to know that Dabo advised Tony and Brent to take HC jobs. Imo, he saw this coming and was more than ready to make the changes.
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Re: Nick is the debil, Bobby.
Dec 14, 2021, 4:29 PM
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I never said I wanted a Saban style, but it seems Alabama is winning year after year. Culture means a lot but wins are more important to most fans. Many programs have a great culture but only win 6 games a year. As far as bringing someone from the outside. Yes, I want someone new. A lot of Clemson fans wanted TE fired this year and Brandon Streeter will run the same system, nothing new. While, Goodwin maybe a Defensive genius, he is unproven as a DC. Continue to follow the culture design, recruit only good outstanding people who are christian, did community service, etc and dont get upset when we hit our peek every year of 10-3.
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Legend [6802]
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Re: Nick is the debil, Bobby.
Dec 14, 2021, 4:30 PM
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Did Streeter tell you his plans? You must be some sort of VIP!
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Re: Nick is the debil, Bobby.
Dec 14, 2021, 4:36 PM
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Nope but I read that from a Clemson website. The story said that TE groomed BS. So there! I am sorry if my opinion differs from yours!!
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Legend [6802]
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Re: Nick is the debil, Bobby.
Dec 14, 2021, 4:39 PM
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Of course TE groomed BS...they've been working together for 8 years. That doesn't mean that Streeter won't have some variations and wrinkles of his own.
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Re: Nick is the debil, Bobby.
Dec 14, 2021, 5:07 PM
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BS was a coordinator before he ever came back to Clemson....he has more coordinating experience than Tony or Jeff Scott themselves had when they were hired. Sure Tony molded him a bit....but that doesn't mean that Brandon will run the same system Tony does. He might actually run one very different and more like he did in his past experience, which was known as being air-raid and led his conference in passing yards and efficiency.
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Re: Nick is the debil, Bobby.
Dec 14, 2021, 5:20 PM
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Are you refering to him being OC at Liberty/Richmond? Thats laughable at best! We shall see how he does. I still feel that with the money Clemson has then we should have sought out a big name instead of just hiring from within. At least interview outside coordinators and if none of them work, so be it. At least you gave it a good College try before settling...
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Re: Nick is the debil, Bobby.
Dec 15, 2021, 6:49 PM
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We have been peaking at 10-3 every year? 2 Championships and the first team to go 15-0 make your point a little harder to see.
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Re: Nick is the debil, Bobby.
Dec 14, 2021, 5:00 PM
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Yes, I want to win. I don't care about culture. That's a stupid thing to stand by. Kids don't care about the culture. They care about NIL money and going to the NFL. Coaches and players will leave at the drop of a dime. Those are facts. Colleges are businesses, and businesses should want to win. Saban's not a good person. But he gets results. That's what matters.
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 5:36 PM
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Most recruits have no idea who the assistant coaches are until they start getting recruited, it’s all about the HC. We just happened to have a very well known superstar recently. Heck, most fans don’t know opposing team assistant coaches.
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I think Tajh Boyd should be bumped to recruiting guy or
Dec 14, 2021, 3:41 PM
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whatever they are called. He is very personable and he has a background in sales, and really, that is what recruiting is. He has credibility by being a great QB himself and I bet he could lure top talent to Clemson.
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 3:56 PM
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Who in the heck does Dabo think he is? Didn't he consult with TigerNet first?
I'm glad I checked here before I sent in my season ticket money.
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 3:58 PM
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It's good that Dabo kept Streeter. He recruited Cade, and I'm sure that's who Cade expected would be his coach.
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 4:19 PM
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Who gives a shid what kind of recruiter these guys are. People talking about "Oh he is not a big enough name". In two years there will be one recruiter in college football his first name is Ben and his last name is Franklin. So you might as well go ahead and get the best coaches that fit your culture because players are going to go to the highest bidder might as have the best coaches to coach what you got.
Ask Georgia what you get with the best players and mediocre coaches. 41 years of Almost.
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" Ask Georgia what you get with the best players and mediocre coaches"
Dec 14, 2021, 4:50 PM
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Getting bent over and spanked by their daddy Alabama....
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 4:03 PM
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Did new interim AD just cut $4M in salary off the books?
The scary thing is the rising HC pay like Brian Kelly. If Dabo wants $13M then, here is that extra $4M I suppose.
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 4:43 PM
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Exactly what I said last week about Dabo's contract costing more. Football is a business and every business has spending limits or they will not be in business long.
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 4:16 PM
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These guys will have no time for a learning curve. Clemson needs to be back in the playoff next season.
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 4:24 PM
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Ok.
My head coaching resume peaked a long time ago at YMCA flag football.
But I have decades of experience in management, so for the Tnetters that see this as "just another business," listen up:
Every time - EVERY. TIME. - I have seen someone brought in to an organization from outside with the hope they will bring in new ideas, new spirit or blood or whatever - it has been a failure.
Did I mention it was EVERY TIME?
If a CEO or division manager brings in an outside hire with the intention of bringing new ideas to a stagnant organization, they are replacing the WRONG GUY.
You want outside ideas? Get an outside top man. Period.
The only way this works is if the top dude (or dudette) has some vision or new concepts but needs to bring in someone who has better expertise in implementing those ideas. See the difference?
Trying to do it the other way around is going to fail.
So please stop with the "big name" "credentialed" "outside" stuff now.
PS in the history of football since Walter Camp there have probably been about six really new ideas. A little perspective, please.
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 4:40 PM
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Wow, TigerRebel how was outsider Brent Venables a mistake?
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 5:15 PM
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Obviously not, but look at my fourth paragraph again.
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 4:44 PM
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There have only been 6 new ideas ever? Come on. Just a quick offensive brain dump reveals:
The forward pass
Wishbone
Option
Triple Option
Power I
Spread
RPO
Read Option
Wildcat
Split back
Motion
Jet sweep
Screen game - many many variations
Hurry up
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 5:08 PM
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Yeah, and you can add all of the new defensive ideas, too, such as the 4-3, 3-4, 3-3-5, 4-2-5 yada yada yada
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 5:34 PM
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and yet everyone forgets about Mr. BubbleScreen Morris....
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 5:36 PM
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I actually guessed at ten at first, then thought that was too many because:
(1) Forward pass IS Walter Camp, we can't count it (although it wasn't actually legal then)
(2) Wishbone and the associated options I would count as one idea
(3) Power I, Spread & Wildcat are riffs on the Single Wing (although they each have their own unique strengths)
(4) Motion would technically be a de-innovation. It existed before the rules to limit it were written.
etc
So it just depends on how you want to define things.
I'll grant that there are a lot of innovative ideas in football if you count every single wrinkle.
I was thinking more about things that get you totally left behind (for a while) if you don't react, like the west coast offense, the whole family of option football, the single wing, and maybe DB blitzes.
A lot of the smaller innovations are really only effective for a season or two until everyone else figures out what you're doing, even if they don't do it themselves. I would put the variations of screen passes in that category.
I am eager to see what Dabo has been scheming at for years while his staff was so stable. I doubt that he didn't at least consider some outside folks along the way. Given who's available, who fits, and the phase of the moon at the moment, I don't have any serious gripes with the lineup.
GO TIGERS!
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 4:34 PM
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This is all the tiger’s could have hoped for and as most of us true tiger fans knew Dabo had a plan and I for one think it’s a great one. Dabo explained it very well why he promoted them I think tiger’s future is very bright and if not next by the year after I think we will be national champs again!!!! All in tiger’s
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 4:35 PM
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I get Brandon Streeter becoming OC but don't get at all the co DC's especially the fact that Goodwin who apparently has never actually been an on-field coach will make more than Coaches Bates, Conn and Reed. I have always been a huge Dabo fan but there is an odor about Goodwin's salary.
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 4:37 PM
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Sounds to me like Goodwin was being groomed. He has NFL experience, high praise in the industry, and an aggressive defensive mindset, which is what Venables built his success on. I'm excited about him.
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 4:59 PM
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I don’t think a lot of people really read the post or should I say took long enough to understand what was said yes there is a co- DC but it’s meant more in a means of 2nd in command of the defense Wes is the DC it’s not like where when you had Jeff Scott and Elliot both were listed as co-OC but not in this intstants
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 4:35 PM
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So glad we are set at last! We can now settle things down I hope and stabilize the class for now and the coming years! If nothing else we are saving a ton of money!
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 4:50 PM
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That was a drip in the bucket with no splash.
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 5:06 PM
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Have we gone to the nepotism (promote only from within) r us mantra for key roles fully?
Most FB programs trying that method don't seem to see the problems that exist and repeat them over and over.
Time and on field performance will reveal whether Clemson will overcome its deficiencies.
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 5:11 PM
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You mean the deficiencies of making the playoffs as many times as any other program in the country?
Come on, man.
Dabo had all this planned out way ahead of time and that's why he's succeeded at this level and most of you are silly little whiners. It's not nepotism.
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 5:35 PM
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I like the moves and I bet the players do too. The continuity is important.
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Well it isn’t going to move the needle
Dec 14, 2021, 5:44 PM
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For recruits or the media or indeed most people. Guess we can hope for a great deal of success on the field - otherwise we will be looking again soon.
But another sub par season (by Clemson standards) and these folks will find warm seats far sooner than their predecessors.
Good luck to the new staff and here’s to returning to the top next season!
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Standout [345]
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 5:48 PM
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I didn’t think April fools day was until April.
Guess Dabo was pissed nobody wanted him.
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 7:55 PM
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Carolina fans got are going to have a great Christmas this year and even better next year. Dumbo is actually about to prove to the world that he is the Chauncey Gardner of college football.
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 6:04 PM
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I guess the way I have to convince myself to look at this is Dabo is betting on himself and that has been a pretty good bet over the last decade. He believes in the staff he developed more than bringing in 5-star coaches with a name and a pedigree. He believes in his culture and his processes and wants people with him who have proven to believe in the same things. He is willing to hang his legacy on this approach and make it work. A motivated and focused Dabo would be good to see because it seems to have been missing a bit the last couple of years. If he is hungry and has something to prove then he will be "All In" again and so will I.
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 6:39 PM
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Time will tell.
That is all I can say with certainty, Time will tell.
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 7:04 PM
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I remember when Dabo replaced Bowden. Sports analysist were asking "Who dat". My chicken friends were leaving messages on my answering machine ending with "Yaba Dabo do". They seemed so excited that Clemson had taken a wrong turn that would lead to domination by the chickens. We see how things turned out. I trust Coach Dabo. He could have had his pick of name brand coaches but for his reason thought this was the best route for Clemson. Let's get behind them and give them a chance.
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 7:15 PM
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Dabo gave us socks for Christmas.
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 7:58 PM
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The offense staff looks like it belongs in West Va. All the same DNA, totally incestual. Let me not just predict, but promise you what is going to happen. Our offense is going to collapse and then next the defense and then bye bye Dabo. I wonder if he will be shouting "Only God can do this" when he is being shown the door in a couple of years? The Gamecocks have to be partying big time right now.
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Orange Blooded [2440]
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 8:45 PM
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Have you even watched Cade's highlights? He looks A LOT like Sunshine. He has touch that would make Traci Lords blush. So, when your Nostradamus rants do not materialize, I want you to cut off your coot ###### and insert it where you breathe.
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Orange Blooded [2440]
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 8:47 PM
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###### is a censored word? Especially when referring to a #### fan?
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Orange Blooded [2440]
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 8:51 PM
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Apparently I must put gamecock instead of the shortened version. And woodpecker instead as well.
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Trainer [43]
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 11:00 PM
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Best Wishes To All.
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Trainer [43]
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 14, 2021, 11:12 PM
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Best Wishes To All.
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Re: TNET: Clemson announces new football coaching staff designations
Dec 16, 2021, 4:31 PM
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I guess it's good we are staying in house for these jobs BUT I do hope that Streeter was the right choice for OC. Given the regression or lack of continuous improvement at the QB spot this year, can we trust Street with running the entire offense?
Of course we are all outsiders looking in and obviously Dabo knows a lot more of what he has than we do, but this move makes me nervous the most.
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