Re: TNET: Clemson AD addresses baseball's future outlook with Monte Lee

Yes, multiple sites rank. 247 claims to rank a composite but every time I check their site the material is null. I usually just look at d1 and baseball America. Nolan has one but that's paid and if not mistaken, associated with D1 somehow. Most content (in depth) is subscription. And yes, I do believe that at one point in 2019 start of season the 20 class was close to top 10. Maybe 9th, maybe 12th, I can't find the old article, still looking.

But no TigersO, I always upvote and respect your knowledge, always well thought out material. I'm sure they picked the most positive... I would. But my point was whether or not mine was the worst, BA is well respected and the rankings would not be that far apart.

You know better than I, stats can be made to justify just about anything you want. But not being nitpicky, over monte's tenure at least 5 on average, acc schools have out recruited us. Giving him a pass on the first 2 classes since baseball lags behind and new coach etc etc, the level dropped understandably. But since, he's been very pedestrian vs ACC teams in recruiting.

We all know the SEC is kicking everyone. So where we aspire to be, Monte, imho is not cutting it. Listen to every post season wrap, it's one excuse after another and he promises to get it right. 6 yrs later we're at the lowest we've been in 64 years. That coach didn't get a pass and imho, Monte shouldn't either.

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May 28, 2021, 5:12 PM [ in reply to Re: TNET: Clemson AD addresses baseball's future outlook with Monte Lee ]

I’ll try and field it since no one else has. D1baseball, Perfect Game, and Baseball America all do some form of recruiting rankings. Perfect Game makes their rankings readily available and easily sorted by year. Baseball America and D1Baseball paywall some or all of their rankings. Baseball rankings can be pretty weird too. The 2015 class Monte Lee inherited was ranked 24th but Seth Beer was unranked and I can’t remember why and everyone knew he was the best player in that group. So obviously that ranking is lower than it should have been. Recruiting hasn’t really been the problem. Lee’s last 4 classes average 17th. As high as 10th (this year’s seniors) and no lower than 20th. In theory this should have been the end of a cycle - ending on an up note. The next year’s teams, if they can hold up to the draft, should be the nucleus of another cycle. Which is why simply shrugging shoulders and offering platitudes towards the team doesn’t work. He had his best recruiting class as seniors this year surrounded by 3 straight top 20 classes to fill needs and push the starters. If you have a losing record with that you simply are not going to be successful. Having 4 straight top 20 classes should have easily been hosting a regional. Only 8 teams in the country, including Clemson, had Top 20 recruiting classes the last 4 years. We really should have been a national seed. If you look at the trajectory of Clemson football it has been tied directly to that rolling recruiting average. Last season is hard to quantify but 2018 and 2020 have an increasingly inverse relationship to the player rankings. That is a very damning sign for the coaching staff and one not easily explained away by covid, academic common market, or any other bugaboos.

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TNET: Clemson AD addresses baseball's future outlook with Monte Lee