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TNET: 3-star LB commits to Clemson
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Congrats WADE & welcome to Clemson where you’re
Nov 25, 2021, 11:39 AM
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have one of the greatest times & experiences in your successful & long life to come..and where you’ll come back to time & time and be welcomed as a Son of Clemson, forever!
GOTiGERs..Fight, Fight, Fight!
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Re: TNET: 3-star LB commits to Clemson
Nov 25, 2021, 11:53 AM
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Thanks Wade. Nice commit video too. Love those two sport fellas... Footwork!
Character personified !!!!
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Welcome Home Wade!!!***
Nov 25, 2021, 11:58 AM
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Re: TNET: 3-star LB commits to Clemson
Nov 25, 2021, 12:05 PM
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Welcome aboard!
I like how he plays.
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Re: TNET: 3-star LB commits to Clemson
Nov 25, 2021, 12:11 PM
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Umm, am I the only one not doing backflips on this announcement?
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Re: TNET: 3-star LB commits to Clemson
Nov 25, 2021, 12:15 PM
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Ok, I'm being cynical. Congrats young man. Go Tigers!
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Keep spin doctoring & pumpin that sunshine****
Nov 26, 2021, 1:19 AM
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Re: Keep spin doctoring & pumpin that sunshine****
Nov 26, 2021, 11:16 AM
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Tanner Muse says hi.
Clemson won two national titles with plenty of kids just like this one, dummy.
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Re: TNET: 3-star LB commits to Clemson
Nov 25, 2021, 12:39 PM
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You're the only one in this thread with a 76 pulse, and your comment shows why it's that low!!!
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Re: Whether you are doing flips is irrelevant
Nov 25, 2021, 2:24 PM
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Thanks for naming ONE standout 3 star player out of hundreds. These posts are hilarious.
And I’m disagreeing with this signing. I have no problem with it, but when people name one or even a few lower ranked players that are standouts like it’s not a complete exception to the rule crack me up.
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Re: Whether you are doing flips is irrelevant
Nov 25, 2021, 2:25 PM
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*and I’m NOT disagreeing with this signing.
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Re: Whether you are doing flips is irrelevant
Nov 26, 2021, 11:19 AM
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It's a commitment, not a signing.
When somebody says something like this, I just shake my head because you clearly don't even follow recruiting really. Yet, here you are as a critic.
While we are at it, the NFL is lined with plenty of 3 star or no star talent. Hunter Renfrow wasn't even recruited and yet he's a star at the highest level and he's just one example. His QB played at Fresno, so nobody really wanted him, either.
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We’ve had dozens of stand-out 3-star signings ...
Nov 25, 2021, 3:08 PM
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No school in the country neglects to identify and sign 3-stars with potential. Not Alabama, not Ohio State, Not Oklahoma ... they all know that you have to find hidden tars among the 3-star universe to be successful.
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Re: Whether you are doing flips is irrelevant
Nov 25, 2021, 3:21 PM
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Dear Tigerlife2005, we've had a lot more recent 3* defenders other than Isiah Simmons that have done great things for us:
Baylon Spector
James Skalski
Grady Jarrett (OK, he's DLine if you want to quibble)
DeShawn Williams (OK, he's also DLine if you want to quibble some more)
DJ Reader (OK, he's aother DLineman yada yada yada)
Nolan Turner (I think he was a 2* HS player ... and OK, he's a Safety if you want to quibble)
Ben Boulware
Spencer Shuey
Kendall Joseph
B.J.Goodson
Kevin Dodd (? either 2* or 3* ... I don't remember, but while a DE at Clemson, he became LB in NFL)
There are more, but hopefully you'll get the point.
Try harder before you suggest that Clemson's coaches do not have an eye for the type of talent THAT THEY CAN COACH UP before making ignorant posts.
Good luck to you and enjoy your Thanksgiving.
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Orange Blooded [2723]
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Re: Whether you are doing flips is irrelevant
Nov 25, 2021, 6:47 PM
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Well I guess you didn’t read my post, because I said I agreed with the signing of 3 star players. Did you miss that?
What I was laughing at is when people name a few 3 star or lower ranked players that have been stars like Simmons and pretend like that’s the norm, when in reality it’s the rare exception.
The players you named were not all star players who went on to be drafted high, like Simmons, or had a big time career. That’s what I was responding to. You listed a lot of good players, and some role players, but not many stars. But even with the players you listed, it’s 11 out of hundreds of lower ranked players that have come through the program during their time. They are still the rare exception.
But again, since you missed it the first time, I AGREE with Clemson taking lower ranked players. Obviously we can’t just take all 4 and 5 star players, and even if we did it wouldn’t mean they’d all pan out. 3 star players are a vital part of the team, which is a good thing, but they per capita don’t pan out at nearly as high a rate as higher ranked players.
Enjoy your thanksgiving as well.
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Grady Jarrett is a star player for the Falcons.
Nov 25, 2021, 8:43 PM
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Several of the others are or were starters in the NFL.
Most of them got at least got hard look.
That’s a line-up of great players he listed.
They may not be freaks like Simmons, but they were really solid contributors to the success we’ve had at Clemson.
We would not have had the great run we’ve had without them.
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Re: Grady Jarrett is a star player for the Falcons.
Nov 25, 2021, 9:11 PM
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Agree 100%
Odd that ESPN has him NR...
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Re: Grady Jarrett is a star player for the Falcons.
Nov 25, 2021, 9:26 PM
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I didn’t say none of them were star players. I said all of them were not star players, which is what I was referring to.
Yes, Grady Jarrett was and is as star. I fully agree. I would argue that Boulware and Skalski were the only other star Clemson players on that list. The others were very good players, but not star players by any metric other than fan bias. And I agree with you about Clemson needing them to be as good as they’ve been on their current run of success.
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Re: Grady Jarrett is a star player for the Falcons.
Nov 25, 2021, 10:03 PM
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Kendall Joseph was a great college football player and a centerpiece for our national championship teams. Fast to the ball and a sure tackler. I would take him on our team this year in a second
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Yes and ...
Nov 25, 2021, 10:17 PM
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Spencer Shuey was a one man wrecking crew against Ohio State.
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Plus, Reader and Goodson have had a fine NFL careers.***
Nov 25, 2021, 10:19 PM
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And let’s not forget 2-star TE Michael Palmer who is
Nov 25, 2021, 10:23 PM
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Still playing in the NFL
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Re: Whether you are doing flips is irrelevant
Nov 25, 2021, 6:52 PM
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And some of those players you listed were ranked as 4 star players by different recruiting sites.
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Tell 'em u6c coot, no one knows losing better than you
Nov 25, 2021, 7:47 PM
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1969.
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Re: Tell 'em u6c coot, no one knows losing better than you
Nov 25, 2021, 9:26 PM
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Lol. Dude you crack me up.
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Re: Whether you are doing flips is irrelevant
Nov 25, 2021, 11:22 PM
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OK, I'll play along ... which of the players that I had listed were 4*?
And you can't have it both ways ... complaining about 3* players in general (even if you did back away from the W.W. commitment), but yet continuing to take the angle that 3*'s are generally not good enough for elite teams (or elite defenses ... such as the case with our 2021 D).
Thanks for your thoughts and enjoy what's left of the Thanksgiving evening.
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Re: Whether you are doing flips is irrelevant
Nov 26, 2021, 1:08 PM
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Could you point out to me where I’m complaining about 3 star players? Or where I said they weren’t good enough for elite teams?
Boulware and Reader were 4 star according to 247 composite. Kevin Dodd was a 4 star according to Rivals 2012 class where he reclassified to.
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Re: Whether you are doing flips is irrelevant
Nov 26, 2021, 12:05 PM
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If I have to choose between your capability of judging future talent versus that of the Clemson recruiting staff … do I have to say anything more?
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Re: Whether you are doing flips is irrelevant
Nov 26, 2021, 4:37 PM
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Hey dude .... stars are important if you are choosing the right player, and if you have never seen the guys play then the best thing to do is select strictly by their number of stars. Lousy teams, like the Coots, like to pretend that stars do not matter. However, more important than the stars is seeing them play and knowing what you are looking at. We did not get "LUCKY" picking guys like Grady Jarrett, Isiah Simmone, James Skalski, Kevin Dodd, Vic Beasley. They were chosen because the coaches saw in them something others did not. I am going to defer to the coaches.
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Wait a second....
Nov 25, 2021, 3:14 PM
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this guy might be the next great LB at Clemson but you didn't just compare him to a guy who ran a 4.3 in high school, did you?
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I usually look at the highlights and look at other offers..
Nov 25, 2021, 3:11 PM
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He has a whopping 30 offers but none from any top 10 type schools. His best besides us are Louisville and Miami.
In his highlight reel, he is playing safety. He is no Mukuba but he does seem pretty quick.
Overall, I don't see anything to make this a big-time commit.
I think people are just happy someone picked Clemson. I don't get the back-flips either to be honest.
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Re: I usually look at the highlights and look at other offers..
Nov 25, 2021, 3:44 PM
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Dear PACIFIC BEACH TIGER®,
It is not uncommon for colleges to offer the 'taller & skinny' HS DBs if they perceive that HS players frame as one which can be developed into LB size.
Not just Isiah Simmons (who was recruited as a DB but evolved into an DB / LB hybrid), but also Tanner Muse (yes, yet another of those 'awful' 3* HS players who developed into a star collegian 'hybrid' DB / LB player and then onto a NFL paycheck) fit the W.W. profile.
We have another such similar player with a similar body-type among our commitments ... Jaren Kanak (probably mis-spelled it).
Sure, this guy may not be fast enough to be a super-stud college DB, but he's plenty fast enough to be a top end LB when he adds some pounds.
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Don't disagree with anything you said at all.
Nov 26, 2021, 4:28 PM
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But watching his film didn't impress me at all. I am no coach either, just what I observed. I could be and hope I am wrong.
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Since we started having top-10 classes every year there is
Nov 25, 2021, 5:24 PM
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no real reason to do back flips over anyone ... even 4-star guys ... but as I said earlier, every top program takes guys like this every year. If you can’t find hidden gems among the 3-star universe, you’re probably Kirby Smart or somebody like that.
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Agree.
Nov 26, 2021, 4:30 PM
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I am just speaking on what I saw from his highlights. I hope I am wrong.
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Re: TNET: 3-star LB commits to Clemson
Nov 25, 2021, 12:12 PM
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Great football name. He should take #0 after Carter. Would look cool IMO.
Good luck young man. Go bring home some hardware.
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Re: TNET: 3-star LB commits to Clemson
Nov 25, 2021, 12:16 PM
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Before the big couch potato coaches wander in with "just what we need another white slow 3 star linebacker" the guy runs a 4.51 - 40 yd dash. For comparison Trenton Simpson runs a 4.57. But laser times at camps mean nothing to those couch potato coaches they will still call him another slow white boy. Guess you can't fix stupid.
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Re: TNET: 3-star LB commits to Clemson
Nov 25, 2021, 12:22 PM
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30 plus offers tells you all you need to know about a recruit being a player
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Wait a second....
Nov 25, 2021, 3:17 PM
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I am not speaking to this kid's ability at all but it's not about quantity but quality.
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Re: TNET: 3-star LB commits to Clemson
Nov 25, 2021, 1:27 PM
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Good point, as an old high school coach, I loved 5.0 guys that could give you that for 4 qts more so than a 4.5 guy that could go about a qt and a half.
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Re: TNET: 3-star LB commits to Clemson
Nov 25, 2021, 12:41 PM
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Welcome to Tiger Town Wade. You just made the absolute best decision of your life. Another reason for Tiger fans to be thankful. Happy Thanksgiving.
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Re: TNET: 3-star LB commits to Clemson
Nov 25, 2021, 12:52 PM
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You made a Great decision. I hope you enjoy your 4 years and just remember” Once a Tiger, always a Tiger”.
Go Tigers!!!!’
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Re: TNET: 3-star LB commits to Clemson
Nov 25, 2021, 1:04 PM
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Welcome to Clemson Wade. You will love it. Go Tigers!
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Welcome home!***
Nov 25, 2021, 1:04 PM
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Welcome!
Nov 25, 2021, 3:17 PM
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The tape looks great and I’m a big supporter of multiple sport athletes. Plus, if the offer came from Brent after seeing someone In person, there is no question we want them on our team.
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Re: TNET: 3-star LB commits to Clemson
Nov 25, 2021, 6:56 PM
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Welcome to the Clemson family, look forward to watching you in the Valley! Congratulations !
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Re: TNET: 3-star LB commits to Clemson
Nov 26, 2021, 4:30 AM
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Looks like he has a lot of potential to grow into a good LB. Pretty raw though.
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Re: TNET: 3-star LB commits to Clemson
Nov 26, 2021, 4:19 PM
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Great pickup....we have to fight off such football powers like Arkansas State, Toledo, Rhode Island & Yale to get him!!!
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Re: TNET: 3-star LB commits to Clemson
Nov 26, 2021, 4:41 PM
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You forgot your school ..... Sakerlina!
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Re: TNET: 3-star LB commits to Clemson
Nov 27, 2021, 5:34 PM
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The real reason some are butt hurt over this commitment is this guy is white.
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