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TNET: Tigers have too many problems, and that's a problem
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Re: TNET: Tigers have too many problems, and that's a problem
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Oct 22, 2023, 10:02 AM
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We legitimately could be 6-6 this season. Never thought I would see this from what we were hearing this off-season. Truly disappointing.
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Oct 22, 2023, 10:59 AM
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We will be 7-5 at best. And that is counting a win over NC State and SC in that record. We very well could easily fall to 5-7
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Oct 22, 2023, 3:29 PM
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Sometimes Miami Coach Mario Cristobal acts like he’s one brick shy of a load. But as The Athletic wrote today, “there is a method to his madness. He wants Miami to win games with a tried, trusted and true method as it did on Saturday — by being the more dominant team at the line of scrimmage. It’s what he saw work when he was Nick Saban’s assistant at Alabama and what he tried to build at Oregon — and it’s why teams like Alabama, Georgia, Michigan and Ohio State are always in the championship hunt.”
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Oct 22, 2023, 4:19 PM
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We could be 5-7 if we don't turn things around . I think that was what Dabo was saying last week when he blamed it on bandwagon fans like Spencer Strider did on fans not being allowed in the stands. We older Alumni KNOW were we have come from and we are PROUD of our UNIVERSITY no matter what so it kind of hurt when Dabo said what he said. Since the 2019 Title game we have been outplayed on the offensive line against really good teams and last night Miami outplayed us on the OL in the 4th quarter flat out. I was surprised our defense was run on like that by Miami. They need our support now more than ever or this could get worse. I can't travel as much or I would be there at NC State. GO TIGERS .
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Re: TNET: Tigers have too many problems, and that's a problem
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Oct 22, 2023, 5:34 PM
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Here’s the problem that stands out. Three Tiger players if the past who now coach who need to be fired. How the hell do you do that. Big problem. Clean it up or be satisfied in the future with 8-3 teams at best
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Re: TNET: Tigers have too many problems, and that's a problem
Oct 22, 2023, 11:34 AM
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While each of the remaining five games is winnable (ND and UNC being home games, we have a chance, albeit a small one, if our defense can come up with some TDs), we could end up losing all five.
Without any scores by our defense,
GA Tech is very well coached. Their talent is mediocre, but they play hard. GA Tech is somewhat turnover prone; their QB is very inconsistent with throwing accuracy. Their coaches will see how Miami played an incredibly conservative game plan and won by waiting for our offense to make mistakes. Thank goodness GA Tech is a home game.
NCSU is our weakest remaining opponent. Unfortunately, the game is in Raleigh. Doeren isn’t a great coach, but he’s not terrible. We will lose that one if we turn the ball over 3+ times again … unless our defense can score a TD plus create another T/O that gives us great field position.
S.Carolina is winnable because we typically play better in Columbia than we do at home. More importantly, S.Carolina makes a lot of stupid plays and both of their lines of scrimmage are trash. Rattler is a boom or bust QB. He has great arm accuracy but reliable poor decision making ability when pressured. S.Carolina’s special teams are immeasurably better than ours, though. We will probably need our defense to make a score for us to overcome what will probably be another T/O festival by our offense.
I’m predicting a 7 - 5 final regular season record. Worst case finish 5 - 7. Best case finish 8 - 4, since Mack Brown, as the worst game day coach in the ACC, can always find a way to blow a game.
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Oct 22, 2023, 11:57 AM
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4-8 is the worst we can do. We can lose all 5 games left on our schedule. That's a very real possibility right now, and while I don't think that will be the case it is a reality. I feel like 7-5 would be a win for us this season.
It honestly feels like we have lost the team. I can't believe Brinny had the game of his career and we let it be on a loss.
We ran DJ off, he was and still is actually a good QB. It's hard to say with Cade. He shows flashes, but he is too erratic and inconsistent. He makes bonehead mistakes. Look back, these fumbles on handoffs - those are on him. He keeps pulling balls when he shouldn't be. I can garumtee you that's what's going on with Ship. We've seen him incredibly frustrated this season, and here's why - the people around him, from QB to Oline to the coaches, are flopping.
Dabo has done great in the past. He resurrected our program and won 2 titles, 4 title game appearances, 8 ACC titles, and we have lived in the playoffs. So he knows what winning football is. But right now, there is a funk around the program that is inexcusable. He made the big coaching moves early on in his career, but he got away from that.
We've lost our edge in recruiting, and on the field. Our Defensive Line has far too much talent to not pressure a freshman QB or get a single sack. This isn't the first game with zero sacks either. And that very same Defensive Line allowed Miami to run it up the gut for 13+ minutes in the 4th quarter. These "nations best" linebackers failed to crash the gaps.
I'm embarrassed by what this Clemson team has become. It feels like what happened to FSU in recent years. And unless Dabo pulls this team out of the dumpster and fixes the coaching staff, it will be a repeat of what happened to FSU.
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Re: TNET: Tigers have too many problems, and that's a problem
Oct 22, 2023, 4:38 PM
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Ball security should be practiced everyday . I think Miami knew we were loose with the ball and were constantly punching at the ball. I think on that fumble by Wil Shipley at the goal line that was a direct snap so you can't blame Cade and he is a Sophomore remember when DJ was a sophomore?
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Oct 22, 2023, 2:00 PM
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We legitimately could be 6-6 this season. Never thought I would see this from what we were hearing this off-season. Truly disappointing.
After FS I said I hope for a .500 season...I still think that's possible
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Re: TNET: Tigers have too many problems, and that's a problem
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Dec 22, 2024, 12:44 AM
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Too many problems means serious issues that will require a major overhaul in all areas of coaching. Can and will it be done in the off season?
Dabo says he has no answers. I think he knows the answers, but doesn't want to admit it because he caused the problems.
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Re: TNET: Tigers have too many problems, and that's a problem
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Oct 22, 2023, 10:17 AM
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TU for your opinion. Great article by David as usual. Dabo said a lot but I really liked his quote:
“All I can say is man, I’m sorry to our fans because they certainly deserve better,” Swinney said. “But as a team, again, what we want you have to deserve, and we didn’t deserve to win the game. So, until we get some of those things fixed, we’re going to be in a battle every single week.”
This tells me that Dabo understands what David wrote. Coupled with what he said about this feeling like 2010, we won't know until January, but I'll keep cheering on my Tigers and hold Dabo to his word. I feel confident he's working on it as I type this.
As he says, it may be a struggle this season, but be patient and let him fix it in the off season.
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Re: TNET: Tigers have too many problems, and that's a problem
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Oct 22, 2023, 10:42 AM
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Totally agree with your very rational take on this. As usual.
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Re: TNET: Tigers have too many problems, and that's a problem
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Oct 22, 2023, 2:03 PM
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He had 9 months to fix last season... what makes your think he can "fix it" again?
Dabo should man up and put this money where his mouth is... give up $1M for every game he loses...
If we go .500, he will still make $5M for a pathetic season...
Seems fair to me
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Oct 22, 2023, 5:29 PM
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As in the game of life, momentum is huge in football. Had we beaten a surprisingly good Duke team in game one, the momentum ball would have started rolling and we would not be witnessing the lackluster efforts on both sides of the ball—the Miami game being the best example of this. It is true that we do not have enough elite players—especially on offense—like we had for the Dabo Glory Years, but we still could have beaten Duke, FSU and Miami if not for all the inexcusable mistakes. That robbed us of momentum, and you don’t win games against tough opponents without it.
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Nobody wants to say it
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Oct 22, 2023, 10:09 AM
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But it’s a poorly coached team. Dabo’s wild success in the past has led to cavalier attitude towards fundamentals in the present . His decisions to hire buddies and inexperience coaches is showing up on the field. There is no “quick fix” (Riley was supposed to be this) . This is 2008 all over again. The Oline can’t block, receivers can’t get open, running backs have no vision, and the defense is OK, but no killer instinct. The QB seems to be confused most of the time. We are in a mess. It will take a complete overhaul and years to fix.
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Re: Nobody wants to say it
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Oct 22, 2023, 10:26 AM
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If Dabo cleaned house and hired successful coaches at the end of the season, with the talent we have and what is committed, we could take back the ACC in the 1st season, and back at the top again in 2 years!!!
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Re: Nobody wants to say it
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Oct 22, 2023, 11:08 AM
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100% this.
In this day and age with the transfer portal, the talent we currently have and coming in, we can get back. Dabo just has to make those tough decisions and fix the coaching staff.
We can point fingers all day, but reality is RIGHT NOW the blame is on Dabo. Hopefully we have Garret Riley another year or two and we can get the rest of the staff on par with the caliber of team we are supposed to be.
Also recruits- we are missing on the ones we want, and I feel that is also a reflection of the staff.
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Oct 22, 2023, 11:08 AM
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100% this.
In this day and age with the transfer portal, the talent we currently have and coming in, we can get back. Dabo just has to make those tough decisions and fix the coaching staff.
We can point fingers all day, but reality is RIGHT NOW the blame is on Dabo. Hopefully we have Garret Riley another year or two and we can get the rest of the staff on par with the caliber of team we are supposed to be.
Also recruits- we are missing on the ones we want, and I feel that is also a reflection of the staff.
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Who said the Commits Will Stick?
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Oct 22, 2023, 11:37 AM
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If Dabo cleaned house and hired successful coaches at the end of the season, with the talent we have and what is committed, we could take back the ACC in the 1st season, and back at the top again in 2 years!!!
I'll have another round of that Kool Aid. When we go 6-6 our commits may not make it to Tigertown. In the past we pretty much got them all but we were winning 10-12 games per year. Now we have NIL money that will come into the equation during a long and painful bowl season. It's going to be an ugly look and odds are some of these players will be flipped. If that happens the whole thing comes unraveled and we are back to 7-5 for the foreseeable future.
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Re: TNET: Tigers have too many problems, and that's a problem
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Oct 22, 2023, 10:22 AM
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David, I know that you know that the issues that has caused Clemson to accelerate its roll down the mountain has been 100% inexperience coaching hires that Dabo has made starting with Tyler Grisham without ever doing a legit coaching search outside of the Clemson property line. If you know this is truth, and I feel that you do, say it out loud!!!
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Can't. Dabo and the AD would punish Hood & T-Net, restricting access, etc.***
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Oct 22, 2023, 7:47 PM
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Oct 22, 2023, 10:24 AM
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Well done David! Just the facts, as always, whether we like them or not. Thank you!
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Oct 22, 2023, 10:28 AM
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The truth is always easier to tell no matter where you're standing!!!
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If people had CLARITY they would understand that no matter now many
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Oct 22, 2023, 10:31 AM
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problems there are, there are always KEY problems. Pull those strings and the benefits are greater than the effort to fix just that one problem. It's a tactic used by many industries, but I like the Forest Fire metaphor: kill this one fire and you kill more than the single fire possibility before you.
And all Fans need to understand about this year is that we're missing one thing we've had before: the Alpha Leader at QB that could make plays that would erase other bad plays made by other players.
And there's one play from last night that tells you exactly where we are this year: Cade drops back with 47 seconds left in the 1st Half and from his own 10. He laughably drifts into the End Zone and is tackled there. Only a suspect review forestalled a Safety.
No reasonable QB makes that play. No experienced QB makes that play. No DW4 or TL16 Alpha Leader makes that play. No CFP-level QB makes that play. No QB that has the proper development makes that play.
No one.
We have a talented kid at QB. But Talent does not execute proper plays: experience, development, instinct, and focus do execute. Cade has yet to develop where he needs to be - even as he made several big plays last night. This year isn't about the greater Team nor the Fans -
it's about spending the time and schedule needed to educate Cade into more of a reputable QB. Unfortunately, that's one season down the drain and there's are no guarantee that he'll actually get it.
It is what it is.
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the flip side of the comment above is that people wringing hands over the number
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Oct 22, 2023, 10:37 AM
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of problems IS a problems well. Not only do you not want your Coaches doing it, you don't want your Fans doing it.
The Program IS NOT IN SHAMBLES.
We may have been whipped along the lines last night -
BUT THAT"S THE FIRST TIME IT'S HAPPENED ALL SEASON.
Duke didn't do it. FSU didn't do it. Even when CSU was leading in the 1st half, they weren't doing it.
Wallowing in self pity and the immediacy of negativity tends to force people to lose focus, making things seem worse than they are.
The Program is not in shambles. That's a Lie; it's a dirty Lie; and all those sending it around should be treated as the Enemy.
Looking at you Judge Keller, Palm Beach Coot, slwcu79, et al.....
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Re: the flip side of the comment above is that people wringing hands over the number
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Oct 22, 2023, 10:44 AM
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You adding David Hood to the list of fans that can clearly see we’re soft and need better assistant coaches and player development? Don’t blame the 1.5% ..like you said, it is what it is.
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Re: the flip side of the comment above is that people wringing hands over the number
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Oct 22, 2023, 11:44 AM
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David Hood did not say that we are soft as a team. He made one reference to one of our tackles doing very poorly in attempting to block a blitzing DB.
Our tackles have struggled to pass block against teams with good pass rushers. This isn’t due to softness; agility is the problem. Our tackles are so concerned about being balanced to be better with their lateral movement that they can be caught off guard when a smaller player rushes directly at them.
That doesn’t equate to a soft player. Something else is the root of the problem.
Oh yeah, recruiting agile OTs is not easy. We’ve struggled in this area lately.
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The OL and DL are two different animals...
Oct 22, 2023, 11:46 AM
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The OL has sucked for years and it hasn't gotten better, simply put. We have two very capable RB but could not get and keep traction last night. But let's accept what Dabo said as well - Miami schemed to stop the run and brought more to the box than we could block. They were also the most athletic team we've played - more so than FSU even, at least on their defensive side of the ball.
But if our OL doesn't get and stay better, we won't win at previous levels, that's for sure.
As to DL, only two teams have pushed us down the field in the manner that Miami did in the 4th quarter last night: UM and Notre Dame.
In both instances, we were worn down in the 4th quarter and couldn't get a stop when we needed one. Both were very big OL, and earned their keep. And unfortunately we don't have the Big Body in the middle that BV had for so many years: Dex Lawrence, Carlos Watkins, DJ Reader, and even lighter but capable Grady Jarrett.... We could be bigger here, but we could also not put so much stress on this unit as it is one of our strengths. The world is not lost just because Miami could run on us - NC State won't.
We just need to get the rest of the team better so that this unit isn't put in that situation again and again.
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Re: The OL and DL are two different animals...
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Oct 22, 2023, 12:10 PM
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We were not worn out when UM started pushing us around. When we went up by 10 with 2 minutes left in the 3rd, the defense had been on the field for a total of 35 plays. That's a low number after 3 quarters.
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it wasn't the number of previous plays, but the concurrency of plays being run
Oct 22, 2023, 6:23 PM
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Small numbers of plays fitted into a short space of time has the same (if not worse) effect of high numbers of plays.
After we went up by 3 (10-7), UM ran 37 more plays in regulation time -37 plays over 20 minutes and 15 seconds of game time.
In that exact same period, we ran 8 and had the ball for a grand total of 2 minutes and 21 seconds pf game time.
That's a f*cking 10 to 1 ratio of game time! Don't tell me the Defense didn't get gassed.
I am so sick of people writing stuff where they have no relevant data. I'm not picking on you per se, but there's a ton of moronic A-holes on this site who simply no longer care about facts.
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Oct 22, 2023, 11:14 AM
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We were lucky to even be in overtime. That was a safety, and I hate to say it, but it was.
We ran off DJ. We lost our edge, our coaches are not on par with any top 25 program, let alone PLAYOFFS.
Notre Dame - UNC - we are looking at 7-5. And that is assuming we beat NC State, GT, and SC. And I'm not confident we win all three of those games.
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this is BS - completely....
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Oct 22, 2023, 12:05 PM
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Negative people see things negatively, and MISS the reality of what is happening.
With 8 minutes left, Miami trailed by 10 and had the ball 3rd and 3 at our 11. They hit a perfectly executed Fade route that beat our best DB, Nate Wiggins.
IF their WR drops that ball, they lose - they never make it into OT. Without that 7 points they never make it into OT. Miami's game came down to 1 Catch and 1 Catch only. They made that play.
We weren't lucky to be in OT - Miami was.
How does this impact Clemson. Well, simply put it says, take 1 play away and the 7 points that come with it, and Miami loses. As for us that's exactly what happened, only previously. We missed a TD, and consequently lost the game.
We took 1 play and 7 points off our board early in the game when Ship fumbled at the Goal Line. That was our critical play. And if you really look at it, the percentage chance that Ship doesn't fumble is actually much higher than the percentage chance that their WR makes a great grab on the Fade.
We weren't lucky to be in OT - Miami was. Stop being so negative!
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Re: this is BS - completely....
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Oct 22, 2023, 12:24 PM
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Not sure you understand the butterfly effect.
They don’t hit that fade route, then they just kick a chip shot FG and are down 7 instead of 3. Can easily tie the game after that with the way our offense played
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Re: this is BS - completely....
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I really hope you are just posting things like this to stir debate. If you really believe this, you are beyond delusional.
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Oct 22, 2023, 11:22 AM
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problems there are, there are always KEY problems. Pull those strings and the benefits are greater than the effort to fix just that one problem. It's a tactic used by many industries, but I like the Forest Fire metaphor: kill this one fire and you kill more than the single fire possibility before you.
And all Fans need to understand about this year is that we're missing one thing we've had before: the Alpha Leader at QB that could make plays that would erase other bad plays made by other players.
And there's one play from last night that tells you exactly where we are this year: Cade drops back with 47 seconds left in the 1st Half and from his own 10. He laughably drifts into the End Zone and is tackled there. Only a suspect review forestalled a Safety.
No reasonable QB makes that play. No experienced QB makes that play. No DW4 or TL16 Alpha Leader makes that play. No CFP-level QB makes that play. No QB that has the proper development makes that play.
No one.
We have a talented kid at QB. But Talent does not execute proper plays: experience, development, instinct, and focus do execute. Cade has yet to develop where he needs to be - even as he made several big plays last night. This year isn't about the greater Team nor the Fans -
it's about spending the time and schedule needed to educate Cade into more of a reputable QB. Unfortunately, that's one season down the drain and there's are no guarantee that he'll actually get it.
It is what it is.
Even TL and DW made bad plays. I remember DW throwing 4 or 5 INT vs NCSt and TL throwing a pick 6. The difference is we had so many other alpha dogs on both sides that would not allow those few plays to affect the outcome. Gotta get that back.
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Well said - I didn't read or write anything last night because they say you should never hit send when you are drunk, mad, tired or sad and I was all of the above! Just a few years ago I looked at the pathetic state of FSU football and said "that could never happen to us!" Folks you have been watching just that progression for the past three years. Can we stop it? I really don't know but it has to start with the coaches and recruiting and player development once they are here. I'm sure we will hear more of the same from Dabo as he continues to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic but I am really tired of his arrogant condescending criticism of the fans, many like me have been around Clemson much longer than he has so there is nothing he can tell me about Clemson University or being a good fan because I've seen it all already - and yes I will be cheering just as hard next week as I was last night but that doesn't make me happy. You make about 8.9 million more than I do so that comes with expectations and man up and take some responsibility! The even sadder part about NIL and portal that we are too arrogant to use is that these kids are doing exactly what we have taught them to do! Hey, I can make a few more dollars if I quit my conference and just move - no many who else and what other team is impacted! Good-bye! I don't like my job so I will just quit - how dare my boss tell me I have to work Saturday. Good-bye! I didn't get to play as much as I wanted - good-bye! We are the ones that have enabled this behavior so now you better embrace it or die by it. Which will it be for our coaching staff?
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Team Captain [499]
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Re: TNET: Tigers have too many problems, and that's a problem
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Oct 22, 2023, 11:32 AM
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You make good money!
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Re: TNET: Tigers have too many problems, and that's a problem
Oct 22, 2023, 11:44 AM
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You make good money!
Yeah, it's 115 million for 10 years. He needs to give some of that back to the fans because he's not earning it.
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What S For Brains does not have basic QB under center dive plays ?
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Oct 22, 2023, 10:48 AM
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Clemson (it’s leadership). This has killed us before. You need 5 inches so therefore you start the QB five yards back ? I know Dabo is god down there but he should know better. Perhaps he is a much better salesmen than coach and with the portal, you now need to be a much better coach than salesman.
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Re: What S For Brains does not have basic QB under center dive plays ?
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Oct 22, 2023, 11:29 AM
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Bingo WiseOne !!!
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Game Day Hero [4382]
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Re: What S For Brains does not have basic QB under center dive plays ?
Oct 22, 2023, 5:57 PM
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Thanks ! I thought I would get lots of hate because of my comment. Really, its fundamental ...
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National Champion [7453]
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Re: TNET: Tigers have too many problems, and that's a problem
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Oct 22, 2023, 11:02 AM
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It’s actually really simple.
We need an overhaul of the offensive coaching staff, except for Riley. We need to get serious about the transfer portal.
We’d be instant contenders again if both of those things happened.
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Re: TNET: Tigers have too many problems, and that's a problem
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Oct 22, 2023, 11:48 AM
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Riley has struggled to adjust his offensive scheme to fit the available personnel. Also, prior to coming to Clemson, his offense was deployed against teams in a league with notoriously bad defenses.
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Trotsky's a moron - Portal has nothing to do with it - nothing***
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Oct 22, 2023, 12:08 PM
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Re: Trotsky's a moron - Portal has nothing to do with it - nothing***
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Oct 22, 2023, 1:22 PM
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That’s all you pumpers have is name calling.
Facts certainly aren’t on your side
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National Champion [7453]
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Re: TNET: Tigers have too many problems, and that's a problem
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Oct 22, 2023, 12:55 PM
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Pretend you are Riley.
Your QB is laughably inconsistent and turnover prone. You don’t have a RB with homerun ability. Your WRs can’t create separation or win 1 on 1 balls consistently. Your offensive line is bad. Your offensive staff is inexperienced. Every defense you play stacks the box, plays man coverage with safeties over the top, and forces you to beat them throwing the ball.
What would your scheme be? What plays are you going to call? What are you going to practice all week?
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Re: TNET: Tigers have too many problems, and that's a problem
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Oct 22, 2023, 11:27 AM
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Spot on as usual David! You write exactly what I am thinking. Please keep asking the difficult questions to the coaching staff and hold them accountable. Thank you!!!
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Re: TNET: Tigers have too many problems, and that's a problem
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Oct 22, 2023, 11:41 AM
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ROGUE FOR A REASON: Obviously Cade is no Trevor, and never will be, but instead of blaming him for ignoring that last play call, take a look at the play call and acknowledge that Cade thought we would have a better chance if he did an end-run. He may have been right, but he couldn’t pull it off.
MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY: As for Dabo, the man who led us to two national championships, he is no different from most other people who suddenly have wealth and power: They want to be surrounded by people who agree with them, defer to them. It’s human nature as old as humans. So, no gripin’, y’all.
NO LONGER ELITE: With the exceptions of Peter Woods on defense and Tyler Brown on offense, we no longer land elite recruits. We recruit them, as Tigernet reports, but most of them choose to go elsewhere. The SEC and Big 10 send way more players to the NFL than the ACC does. And now, the unregulated NIL collectives are promising to make college players rich if they will attend a certain school. And since a tiny percentage of college players will ever see an NFL paycheck, many of them see the NIL payday as their only shot at some big bucks. For years, the coaches made all the money. The players want some of that, too. Again, human nature.
That being the case, we will never again be able to recruit our way to ACC and CFP championships, as we did before, thanks to Dabo, one of the all-time great recruiters. Going forward, we will have to use the Portal to plug players into key positions—like wide receiver, as FSU did with Keon Coleman.
ANOTHER WAY TO USE THE PORTAL: Do what Coach Prime did in Colorado— except do it with our coaches. Dabo to his coaching staff: “Y’all need to be usin’ the portal, ‘cause I need to replace you.”
PRAISE FOR DABO: The program he created was based not just on excellence, but also on values. He wanted these kids to become young men who lived the Golden Rule. Sadly, that era is over. But as disappointed as we are now, I still think Dabo Swinney deserves a statue on our campus.
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Re: TNET: Tigers have too many problems, and that's a problem
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Oct 22, 2023, 11:42 AM
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We have 99 problems…
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Re: TNET: Tigers have too many problems, and that's a problem
Oct 22, 2023, 6:30 PM
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But coaching salaries ain't one.
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Re: TNET: Tigers have too many problems, and that's a problem
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Oct 22, 2023, 11:46 AM
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I was a former Ohio State fan, that being said I became a Clemson fan not only because my wife went to Clemson but because of Dabo’s message of creating young men not football players is important to me. I still think that is the first and foremost goal. I am not happy with the state of the program as to what we were sold at the beginning of the season. I have adjusted my expectations for the season and I will continue to cheer just as load at every home game and support this team. I would like to see some of the hard decisions made this offseason with position coaches but I will always cheer for the young men who decided to become Tigers as I have.
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What coaching changes would you like to see happen?
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Oct 22, 2023, 11:51 AM
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DavidHood®
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I can't disagree with anything you said, David.
Oct 22, 2023, 11:52 AM
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This is who we are at this point. The question going forward is what will be done to fix those problems?
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Re: TNET: Tigers have too many problems, and that's a problem
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Oct 22, 2023, 12:30 PM
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In our last 10 games were 5-5 and thats not going to cut it in recruiting world. Its already effecting recruiting and will only get worse if things don't change. I have always liked Dabo's mentality bring them in and coach and develop but, thats not how it works now. I think we have lost over 30 players the last couple of years to the portal and only brought back one??? The NIL & Portal have changed that forever and don't think we are going to go back.
You have an off week to prepare for two weeks for an opponent and play like they did last night? It's been a long time since I have seen both the offense and defensive lines get whipped like that last night. Bottom line is the guys are not prepared to play like they have been the past 8 to 10 years. This is Dabo's team and coaching staff so, he created it and is going to have to figure out a way to fix it. If we don't adapt we are going to be left behind which is starting to happen right now but, the problem I see with adapting is that I am not sure Dabo will ever give in.
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Re: TNET: Tigers have too many problems, and that's a problem
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Oct 22, 2023, 12:34 PM
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Dabo needs to start acting like one of the highest paid coaches in the nation and make a list of coaches who need to be fired and a list of experienced coaches to be hired. He also needs to do some serious self assessment as well.
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Re: TNET: Tigers have too many problems, and that's a problem
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Oct 22, 2023, 12:41 PM
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Very good perspective D Hood. The record is the report card and we are failing in the ACC and barely passing overall. Get it all out there. Streeter was not the whole problem, Caldwell was not the whole problem and DJU was not the whole problem. Our team is just neither fast enough or good enough to overcome mistakes on offense and is not physical enough at the point of attack on either side of the ball. On offense we just appear to be wandering in the wilderness and on defense, we can either be really good or as weak as bad coffee. You can't fix ugly overnight.
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Re: TNET: Tigers have too many problems, and that's a problem
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Oct 22, 2023, 12:42 PM
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And trending down. Next year might be even more of a rebuild losing top defenders to nfl.
I feel like last night’s loss is the kind of loss that will have major ripple effects. It sunk in that this is the new reality. No longer can we use the excuse of just a few bad breaks, or a play away… The pattern has been established that this is an unorganized and undisciplined team. They do not know have the ability to run a modern passing offense that is required to win these days, and they also don’t have a physical line-dominating run game.
The Deshaun and Trevor years were awesome, but thats the past. Quit pointing to that offense and saying it can work again. We don’t have D4! Adjust and start that climb all over again
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Re: TNET: Tigers have too many problems, and that's a problem
Oct 22, 2023, 12:49 PM
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Talent is there…discipline is not.
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Re: TNET: Tigers have too many problems, and that's a problem
Oct 22, 2023, 12:50 PM
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This was a thoughtful and accurate take...
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Re: TNET: Tigers have too many problems, and that's a problem
Oct 22, 2023, 2:31 PM
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Agreed. The journalism is without reproach. Listening to Dabo, well, his sincerity was just as genuine. He seemed broken and I don't wish that on anyone, much less the leader of the program.
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Re: TNET: Tigers have too many problems, and that's a problem
Oct 22, 2023, 12:53 PM
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I believe the Tigers have come full circle in the wrong way. 4-8 is coming if play continues like this. If you really want to shake up things start with starting your backups just to let starters know they are not immune from the bench. What is the worst that can happen since it headed that way already. Don’t be afraid, be bold.
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Letterman [185]
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Re: TNET: Tigers have too many problems, and that's a problem
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Oct 22, 2023, 1:33 PM
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The aura of invincibility is gone, and teams that suffered for almost a decade when they faced us are getting what they certainly feel are their just desserts. Clemson has not been reeled backing into the pack, but has put itself there. Are the other ACC teams better than before? Maybe a bit, but we have just become average, with recruits either over-hyped or poorly coached. I went to school in the Ivy League, and Clemson reminds me (in terms of how things go week to week) of those long away days. We had a good player here or there, as did other Ivy League schools, and I actually had two fraternity brothers who went to the NFL. But the difference was that good football had been deemphasized officially. For the eight schools in the Ivy, it became an activity, not an objective.
Something is missing in the Clemson program, and I think I know what it is because I see what is happening with Deion at nearby Colorado. It is all about recruiting, about the portal, about the athletic qualities of the guys who suit up. Coach Swinney has worked very hard, but I think he also was very lucky. He got some magnets who fit his profile, and everything gelled. Now, with the magnets gone, he is getting (and seems only interested in) players who fit his mold, and of course he has no interest in the portal. The truth is that not all top players are saints. Not all of them have crucifix tattoos or attend church weekly or walk the straight and narrow. I remember hearing an interview of his several years ago, when he was on top, where Coach talked about not wanting to have problem stars in the locker room, and not even pursuing them. In a sense, it might be said that he took the easy way out, not dealing with hyper-talented but somewhat compromised 4-5 star high school players.
He is now in a sealed room and water, coming in from under the door, is rising. He has to find a way to open the door to let it out. Of course future recruiting will suffer. That is a given. Stars in large numbers don't gravitate toward loser programs, and that is where Clemson is. Coach has his millions, and he can easily walk out the door, or he can change. He can't be fired because the buyout is too high. The real question is whether he can alter his approach and create a renaissance in the program. FSU did it, with 15 portal starters this year. Colorado is going it, and things will only get better there. Just wait and see. Unfortunately, Coach has the same problem that top notch players have in every sport. Their product seems to decline once they get the big contracts. The test of a really great coach is sustained excellence. That is why Saban is in a class by himself. Imagine, a coach with so many losses in the lowly ACC being the second highest paid coach in the country. The program is arthritic, as is the thinking behind it. Rigor mortis is waiting in the wings, and things have to change before our annual product is DOA (dead on arrival).
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Re: TNET: Tigers have too many problems, and that's a problem
Oct 22, 2023, 3:17 PM
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Hood is astute and tells it straight. No excuse for coaching decisions on both sides of the ball. Our defense looking over to the sideline before scrambling to the line. No sacks or pressure on an inexperienced, immobile QB on big 3rd down plays. Some genius(don't blame the players). On a big play AT the goal line, his coach makes it CLEAR what the call is. Don't give the QB any leeway in that situation. I would say this coaching staff has taken some of the best talent ever at Clemson and progressively made them less and less effective with some of the worst(or lack of) coaching we have ever seen. That may be a harsh evaluation but it is the only realistic conclusion.
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Tiger Spirit [9606]
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Sadly, David, you nailed it. Not sure what needs to happen from here.***
Oct 23, 2023, 8:00 AM
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