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TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 23, 2022, 7:00 AM
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They were dominated on the stat line.
Oct 23, 2022, 7:03 AM
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If not for the fumble 6 the game isn’t even close. Schrader and the Cuse fans need to just own it and deal with it. They did play with a lot of heart but the better team won.
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And I wonder if the cleat cut on DJ’s hand affected that…
Oct 23, 2022, 7:33 AM
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…ball exchange that resulted in that fumble.
His hand may have been swollen or numb from that cut. It looked nasty and about 3” in length.
But, no doubt, I think Clemson would have made it 14-7 at that point with momentum. The defensive strategy would also have been different than what happened after that 14 point swing.
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Re: And I wonder if the cleat cut on DJ’s hand affected that…
Oct 23, 2022, 8:27 AM
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We didn't punt until the second half, don't remember third or fourth qtr. If not for the turnovers, it wouldn't have been that close. As a team, it obviously hurts to drive and come up with nothing. Cuse offense didn't do much without the help of turnovers
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Re: And I wonder if the cleat cut on DJ’s hand affected that…
Oct 23, 2022, 11:09 AM
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We didn’t punt because of a fumble and an interception. The fact we didn’t isn’t a testament to how well our offense was playing.
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Re: And I wonder if the cleat cut on DJ’s hand affected that…
Oct 23, 2022, 12:01 PM
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I often get thumbed down for being a realist, but that's really not true. Go back and look at the play-by-play. Here it is with a conservative estimate of score without the turnovers.
First drive - 71 yard touchdown - 7-7
Second Drive - 42 yard drive with a pick within the Syracuse 35 (that's at least 3 with no turnover) - 10-7 Clemson
Third Drive - 50 yard drive, fumbled on first and goal at Syracuse's 3 (that's a TD 9 times out of 10 with our redzone offense) - 17-7 Clemson
Fourth Drive - 32 yard drive, turned it over on downs at Syracuse's 32. We would have kicked it if we were up - 20-7 Clemson
Fifth Drive - 49 yard drive, FG from Syracuse 26 - 23-14 Clemson.
That was the first half. Every single drive got within Syracuse's 35. Turnovers limited Clemson to 10 points. Without them, Clemson likely would have been up 9 at the half. IF they matched the second half from yesterday, Clemson would have won 40-14.
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Re: And I wonder if the cleat cut on DJ’s hand affected that…
Oct 23, 2022, 1:34 PM
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That's a thumbs up from me. Our mistakes almost cost us the game. But although I wanted to stomp them, I'm proud of how our guys found a way to win
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Re: They were dominated on the stat line.
Oct 23, 2022, 8:22 AM
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If they want to talk about penalties, the cuse OL was holding on multiple plays that were never called in the first half. Our DEs were fighting through bear hugs. You got calls, we got calls.
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Re: They were dominated on the stat line.
Oct 23, 2022, 9:23 AM
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Big missed PI in the end zone when the Syracuse defender not only face-guarded the receiver he also grabbed the face mask while doing it. That was a huge miss.
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Re: They were dominated on the stat line.
Oct 23, 2022, 2:37 PM
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If the Syracuse fans want to complain about the two hits the QB's took out of bounds and compare them, there was a clear difference.Just watch them side by side. The Clemson defender was engaged in tackling the QB in bounds and the tackle was a continuation of the tackle that started in bounds with an eligible runner. The Syracuse defender initiated contact with the Clemson QB after he was out of bounds. That's the difference.
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Re: They were dominated on the stat line.
Oct 24, 2022, 11:03 AM
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Agreed.... not to mention the Cuse qb was fighting to stay in bounds to get the pass off.
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 23, 2022, 7:03 AM
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Dino's "classy" players....
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 23, 2022, 7:10 AM
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If you read the article, Shrader is actually complimentary of the Tigers. He just lost a tough game and he was right about the "no call" when he was pushed when he was out of bounds. Anyone who finds fault with his post game interview most likely hasn't played competitive sports and lost a tough game...
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 23, 2022, 7:12 AM
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He was pushed out but 2 seconds early his O line made a very blatant hold.
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Trotter started contact well inside the field
Oct 23, 2022, 8:25 AM
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of play and was directly behind that qb. It was merely a continuation of momentum. Good no call.
The flag against their guy, however, was a shoulder check from the side after CK had taken two steps out of bounds.
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Klubnik was running out of bounds.
Oct 23, 2022, 12:23 PM
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Shrader was an active runner looking to pass the ball and was inbounds when Trotter initially made contact.
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Re: Klubnik was running out of bounds.
Oct 25, 2022, 12:56 PM
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It was the extra shove after they were well out of bounds. Cade's hit was definately harder, but both should have been called. It's not a "Yeah, but" situation. Sure there were, and always are, other calls that were "missed", for both teams. We all know, if the Refs really wanted, they could throw a flag on just about every play.
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 23, 2022, 8:33 AM
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Ben Boulware had just played in the 2015 natty. I remember him talking about playing that game. Was very complimentary of bammer. One of the things that stuck out, to me, was he kept saying that he hated how they lost....they could have won that game. If they had been blown out, well, they weren't meant to win. But they weren't. It came down to just a couple plays. If not for those couple, the game might have gone our way. While I don't agree with him, shrader is hurt from such a "close" loss. He was very complimentary. We are the flagship of the conference...we now have the longest winning streak.
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 23, 2022, 9:47 AM
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He started being pushed or tackled about 10 yards of inbounds and the referee apparently saw that and thought it was not a late hit, roughing or hitting out of bounds. If you can’t see that then you are blind!
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 23, 2022, 11:36 AM
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I agree. Just reading the context of the quote, He gives credit to Clemson overcoming the turnovers and to our strong program but he’s regretful that his team couldn’t seal the deal when they could taste victory. He just exited the locker room so It sounds like he means something more like “we all know that we should have won” but in the sense of that they believe they had what it takes to win that game.
If he was only complaining about calls or something, I’d probably take it differently.
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 23, 2022, 10:58 PM
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This headline is unfair to the Syracuse QB. It makes is sound as though he is claiming they were cheated out of the game. His comments actually blame themselves for the loss and compliment the Clemson program.
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 23, 2022, 9:30 AM
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Exactly correct. His statements were fine. The issue is the media. They asked him about the 2 calls on the QB hits. Just watched college football final and Galloway went off on that no call too. Funny they didn’t show the no call face mask PI in the end zone earlier in the game. The refs made terrible calls all day just happened a few in the second half went against Syracuse. ALL of them went against us in the first half. Syracuse had decided by halftime they could do whatever they wanted and it wouldn’t get called and the refs started calling it both ways in the second half and it blew their minds and their game plan.
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 23, 2022, 12:10 PM
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You didn't even read the article, did you? He's saying that the defense played well enough to win (which they did), and he feels he let them down. No idea how you see a problem with that.
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 23, 2022, 7:06 AM
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Jake Bentley, is that you?
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Another Dino Tool
Oct 23, 2022, 7:07 AM
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Bless his heart.
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 23, 2022, 7:07 AM
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"Never again" strikes again.
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 23, 2022, 7:11 AM
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...But you didn't. You lost and you played terrible in the 2nd half. By the way, KJ Henry says hello again!
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He was very complimentary of Clemson.
Oct 23, 2022, 9:15 AM
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Well spoken. Classy guy.
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 23, 2022, 12:12 PM
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I feel like there's a joke there with your career and your reading abilities. Maybe you should stop spending money on tattoos and spend more on hooked-on-phonics. The guy is being complimentary of Clemson. He's just saying the defense played well enough to win but the offense couldn't get it done.
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"***
Oct 23, 2022, 7:15 AM
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his team punted the ball every time in the second half
Oct 23, 2022, 7:16 AM
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because the QB could not score when it counted
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Re: his team punted the ball every time in the second half
Oct 23, 2022, 7:21 AM
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Shouda, Wouda, Couda. DJ5 played his worst game of the year and you think that you should win that game. Hate to break it to you, but, in life, the score marks the final results.
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 23, 2022, 7:17 AM
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Respect for their coach. FINALLY a coach who didn’t whine about the officiating or at least said that’s the game you just play. Will forever respect him for that attitude.
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 23, 2022, 9:06 AM
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No respect for a coach that teaches his players to play dirty. The cleat to DJ’s hand and the facemask and jab at Shipley’s throat are just 2 instances of dirty play in this game. We can go back to every game with him as coach that we’ve played against them and see this kind of dirty play. It’s not just the players because it happened as far back as 2018 at least
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 23, 2022, 7:18 AM
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Yeah he is actually complimentary of Clemson and in the quote he is giving props to his defense. The rest of the quote included, ..."today the way our defense played,".
However, if he wants to talk about a no-call on getting hit late, let's go back and look at all of the holding no-calls his oline got away with.
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 23, 2022, 7:19 AM
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Except the scoreboard...it forgot!
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Bless her heart.***
Oct 23, 2022, 7:33 AM
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the article is much better than the headline.***
Oct 23, 2022, 7:56 AM
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 23, 2022, 8:10 AM
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“Everybody knows that we caught Clemson on a bad day and still managed to lose with 4 turn overs.”
Sorry young man, you have to actually win the game to “win the game”.
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Shrader did a great acting job
Oct 23, 2022, 8:12 AM
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But it was a good “no call” by the refs. Acting like it’s worse than it actually is to draw penalties is a part of the game. Thankfully it doesn’t always work.
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 23, 2022, 8:14 AM
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Well if we played the 2nd half on both sides of the ball the way we played the 1st, he would have been right. Thank goodness, we played a complete 2nd half.
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 23, 2022, 8:15 AM
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Maybe he shouldn't have thrown the interception there at the end?
'Everyone knows they weren't much better than us, if at all'....
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Contact was made inbounds and the momentum...
Oct 23, 2022, 8:27 AM
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of both carried them to the point their feet got tangled and the Cuse QB got the worst of the incident and ended up on the ground. Watch the film, slow it down and focus on the players' feet.
DJ gave Cuse 14 points so the Cuse offense only scored unassisted once. Had DJ not been off the score would have been a blowout.
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 23, 2022, 8:30 AM
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There’s no doubt, they could have won, but should have won, no. Look at the game stats. We won in every category except passing yards, where they were 10 yards better. If you look at the stats you might wonder why the score was so close. Until you factor in the turnovers. As for officiating, no one has mentioned the the PI no calls, including one in the end zone. And holding was a malignancy in their offensive backfield, but rarely called. I haven’t looked at replays of the “late hit,” but from where I sat, it looked to me like the hit began well in bounds and proceeded to go out of bounds. I’m just glad to know that we have a freshman QB who can come in and play as well as KK did. He seldom threw, and almost threw a pick 6, but did throw a bullet for a two point conversion. However, I do hope DJ is ok. I’ve finally gotten comfortable with him leading the offense. It was another heart stopping, nail biter, if you still have some nails to bite. Looking forward to the bye week so my heart and nails can recover some. Go Tigers.
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"Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 23, 2022, 9:20 AM
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The scoreboard stats said otherwise.
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 23, 2022, 8:41 AM
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Is just me of is Cuse sounding like the BuckNuts?
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Never Again***
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He is exactly right. They should have won. 4 TO's, one of
Oct 23, 2022, 8:45 AM
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them a 98 fumble six and you still lost? I could just as easily say, "Clemson should have won by 20!!"
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if we had scored 3 times instead of all the turnovers
Oct 23, 2022, 8:51 AM
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it would NOT have been close
it is what it is ......
it is 8 - 0
GO TIGERS !!!!
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 23, 2022, 9:07 AM
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This headline is really misleading... do better tigernet
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But for 4 turnovers, game isn’t close.***
Oct 23, 2022, 9:30 AM
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So Cute
Oct 23, 2022, 9:34 AM
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You should have lost that game by three touchdowns: that is what everyone “knows”
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You are 'SHOULDING" on yourself, shouldof, wouldof, couldof.
Oct 23, 2022, 9:47 AM
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Lol
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Everyone knows, hmmm….your team didn’t know
Oct 23, 2022, 9:48 AM
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up 21-7 you had your chances!
Clemson had 4 turnovers or the game was not even competitive. Clemson “should have” beat you by 3 or 4 TD’s if not for those turnovers.
Thanks for playing the “shoulda woulda coulda” game, now take the L and move along.
Go Tigers ??
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 23, 2022, 9:54 AM
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The only reason they should have won is be because we spotted them at least 10 points. The first interception was on the 15 yd line which would have been at least 3 points for us. Then the fumble 6 on the 3 yd line was another 10. Take those two plays out and it wasn’t even close.
Also, Cade got “bodied” out of the sideline and we just gave a slight push. Totally different “hits”.
I’m glad we could just overcome a -4 turnover ratio.
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 23, 2022, 9:57 AM
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Why? Look at the stats. he First downs...27-17 Tigers. Total Yards....450-291 Tigers. But hats to him..gave us a lot of credit.
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Well no, "everybody" don't know that
Oct 23, 2022, 10:00 AM
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He admits that it took a great team to suffer 4 turnovers and still win the game. Without the fumble scoop and score the game isn't even close.
His team was otherwise dominated.
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 23, 2022, 10:00 AM
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I took it as him saying the offense didn't do their part. When you're essentially +4 in turnovers... you should win
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 23, 2022, 10:04 AM
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take away the fumble for a TD and replace it with a Clemson TD (as was most likely the case, probability wise)
it was 34-14 . Clemsons normal final score . so F you syracuse. you are wrong
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Should’ve, Could’ve, Would’ve. . .
Oct 23, 2022, 10:10 AM
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BUT you didn’t!
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Re: Should’ve, Could’ve, Would’ve. . .
Oct 23, 2022, 10:12 AM
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right!what if is for children.
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Everybody knows you didn’t
Oct 23, 2022, 10:14 AM
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You ran your mouth and you lost. And you will now go on to lose at least 3 more. FSU, Wake, and either ND or Pitt. And of course then the L in your bowl game. Everyone knows the Cuse’ season ends after the Clemson game, whether you win it or lose it.
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Re: Everybody knows you didn’t
Oct 23, 2022, 10:24 AM
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Everybody knows I should have married Charlize Theron, but was short a little gas money to get to CA.
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 23, 2022, 11:08 AM
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The statement is taken out of context and makes it sound like he is crying about things. The beginning of the statement was "The way our defense played." He is saying that him and the offense were at fault and taking the blame for the loss.
You can't take a lot out of him saying that he felt like the hit out of bounds was worse on his end. I know this will not be a popular opinion, but I felt like both should have been no calls. I think that the hit on Cade was worse, but he was right at the sidelines. I have never been a fan of that call unless the guy is clearly out of bounds. Defenders don't have the opportunity to look down and know exactly where the sideline is.
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Never Again 2.0?..***
Oct 23, 2022, 11:24 AM
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 23, 2022, 11:45 AM
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Lol someone did not peep the stat line. They were dominated except for turnovers.
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 23, 2022, 12:09 PM
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Everybody knows if we didn't drop the ball inside our 10 and let them pick it up and run 90 yards for a TD, the score would have been 34-14 and we'd be having a different conversation. I think that play more than any other shook DJ's confidence and he was just trying too hard to make up for it and it took him out of rhythm and focus the more he pressed.
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Yeah, that pick that the refs threw really cost them the W***
Oct 23, 2022, 12:41 PM
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Honestly, i dont have a problem with anything he said. He
Oct 23, 2022, 1:03 PM
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was very gracious and gave us props.
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Ha no. They were gifted points in the first half, we had a ton of
Oct 23, 2022, 1:08 PM
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turnovers, and they didn’t score in the second half. No one thinks Syracuse was the better team or even should have won that game.
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"They're almost as good as us if not as good "- Jake Bentley circa 2022***
Oct 23, 2022, 1:54 PM
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 23, 2022, 2:55 PM
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Is that you Jake Bentley?
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Except 4 quarters of play matter
Oct 23, 2022, 6:22 PM
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And the final score matters. So if you shouldn’t won, then you don’t throw a pick on your winning drive. Deal with it! Don’t cry about refs. Because most you did in the first half was because of holding calls missed. Stop making excuses ( which they are cuse, as excuses) and try to win out. You may get another chance. GO TIGERS!!!!!!!!!
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Don't let the headline fool you people.
Oct 23, 2022, 7:00 PM
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He's telling the truth and is nothing but complimentary of Clemson. Syracuse had every opportunity to win that game, but we didn't let them. This isn't the "sour grapes" article that the headline leads you to believe. Schrader is exactly what you want your QB to be.
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Re: Don't let the headline fool you people.
Oct 24, 2022, 10:00 AM
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I hear you, but he did say that... and he shouldn't have. No, EVERYBODY doesn't know that Syracuse should've won the game. The implication is surely something our guys have been trained to avoid with the press. It's not a class comment. Period.
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If ifs and buts were candy and nuts
Oct 23, 2022, 9:24 PM
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Then Syracuse might be relevant
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: Jake Bentley II
Oct 24, 2022, 11:08 AM
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Could be a statement for next 4 games.
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He's not wrong. Being the recipients of 4 turnovers, they
Oct 24, 2022, 11:13 AM
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definitely should have won the game.
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: Don't he Know?
Oct 24, 2022, 11:35 AM
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He gets a Participation Trophy. And it's Orange.
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 26, 2022, 6:56 PM
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ok ...then why didnt you
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 26, 2022, 7:50 PM
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Yeah but you had that little turnover right there at the end because the stage was too big for you little boy. You had 4 tos a gifted td and got shutout in the second half. Yet managed to lose by 6. Yeah you should have won but didn't because on our worst day we are still better than you #### Yankees!
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 27, 2022, 5:35 PM
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Everybody meaning...ALL Syracuse fans ...right?
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 28, 2022, 9:48 AM
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Anybody smell or taste sour grapes ? Typical loser QB that leaves Death Valley with a big 'ole "L" stamped on his rear. Good luck. Try again next year. Buh Bye.
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Re: TNET: Syracuse QB: "Everybody knows that we should've won that game"
Oct 28, 2022, 4:31 PM
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There was a lot more wrong in that second half for Syracuse than one call. And, no, everybody doesn't know that they should have won. They should have lost because 1. they did not utilize their best player, and 2. they committed too many penalties (which seems to be their forte).
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