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TNET: Richardson says the Tigers are a 'very average' offense right now
Nov 9, 2022, 7:00 AM
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Athletic Dir [1190]
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Re: TNET: Richardson says the Tigers are a 'very average' offense right now
Nov 9, 2022, 7:05 AM
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Stop interviewing this guy, he’s horrible
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Re: TNET: Richardson says the Tigers are a 'very average' offense right now
Nov 9, 2022, 7:15 AM
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Our coaching staff is "horrible" now? We're 8-1. LOL. Toughen up buttercup. Sometimes you need to hear the tough stuff to get better. I am thankful somebody on the staff is calling it semi-realistically at this point. It's a start, but until the rest of the staff comes around he's merely peeing in the breeze at this point.
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Re: TNET: Richardson says the Tigers are a 'very average' offense right now
Nov 9, 2022, 9:28 AM
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If calling yourselves "very average" is being "tough" then I don't think the fans are the buttercups. And we are far more than "one play away." As others have said, this guy probably shouldn't be in front of the mic too often. I do appreciate the acknowledgment that everything is not as it needs to be but I don't walk away any more confident that we have a good handle on things from this interview.
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Re: no this guy is awful!!, he did not say coaching staff Mrs. R***
Nov 9, 2022, 10:52 AM
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grandpa, it was sarcasm. Please try to keep up.
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Re: TNET: Richardson says the Tigers are a 'very average' offense right now
Nov 9, 2022, 7:20 AM
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He’s giving our offense, playing calling and coaching too much credit; very average is an overstatement. Stubbornness to keep things as they’ve been at QB, well, keeps things as they’ve been.
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Clemson Conqueror [11587]
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Ah the ole “one play away” declaration……..
Nov 9, 2022, 7:08 AM
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Its refreshing to hear that. It’s funny how he brags about how we have greatness in us because we scored points on WAke Forest……..the 78th best scoring defense in the country!
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Re: Ah the ole “one play away” declaration……..
Nov 9, 2022, 7:14 AM
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I got nauseous when I read the one play away quote. Please. Stop.
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Re: Ah the ole “one play away” declaration……..
Nov 9, 2022, 7:46 AM
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Me too. Stopped reading at that point.
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Reality check. Wake had 3 starting DBs out injured.
Nov 9, 2022, 12:08 PM
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Congrats for being able to pass against a mediocre Wake D that had 3 starting DBs out and IIRC, one backup DB out. Take a victory lap for letting a far-less talented Wake take us to 2OT.
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He speaks Tommy Bowden better than Bowden.***
Nov 9, 2022, 7:11 AM
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Re: He speaks Tommy Bowden better than Bowden.***
Nov 9, 2022, 11:03 AM
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If I hear “the worm is going to turn” from someone on the staff I might just lose it altogether.
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Re: TNET: Richardson says the Tigers are a 'very average' offense right now
Nov 9, 2022, 7:15 AM
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Lord I wished I hadn’t read that. Embarrassing the coach speak. Last ear they said it was our best group in years. We’ve been average a lot longer than this season. Dabo wake these coaches the eff up!
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Re: TNET: Richardson says the Tigers are a 'very average' offense right now
Nov 9, 2022, 7:19 AM
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Holding calls happen for a couple of reasons not just "bad refs". The make plays happen that in all liklihood would not have happened without the holding. They are also the sign of an offens lines Is getting beat. So you could say we would have had that huge gainer if that guy had not committed a hold. But the bigger part is that you would not have had the big gain without the hold and that is why the penalty exists. The solution ise coaching and training, not that one play away from greatness. The Clemson offense I watched Saturday was a full games worth of plays away from greatness. This guy is just saying things to try to save his job.
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I don’t think his job is in jeopardy ….
Nov 9, 2022, 7:26 AM
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Nor his offensive staff co-workers. That’s what’s concerning
Hope I’m wrong.
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Re: TNET: "Average" offense units: WR room again
Nov 9, 2022, 11:25 AM
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Richardson has to use coach speak.
It just can't happen for any coach (much less an assistant coach) to openly bash any unit of other coach.
Everyone knows that. If you can stand any of the TV Show / Web Site analysts, then you'll hear the unfettered criticism, but with the exception of the ex-coach guests who've actually watched our team, their critical remarks are usually without foundation.
All that said, our WR room continues to be average. A.Williams has been good; our TEs have been very good. Everyone else has been below average. Overall performance = average.
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Can we expect a lip quiver next week?***
Nov 9, 2022, 7:25 AM
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he is way too proud of himself for a lip quiver , the
Nov 9, 2022, 10:56 AM
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cockiness from this guy is unbelievable.
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Re: TNET: Richardson says the Tigers are a 'very average' offense right now
Nov 9, 2022, 7:30 AM
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Goodness gracious keep a mic away from this guy. Horrible interview
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Re: TNET: Richardson says the Tigers are a 'very average' offense right now
Nov 9, 2022, 7:32 AM
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Duh
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Re: TNET: Richardson says the Tigers are a 'very average' offense right now
Nov 9, 2022, 7:41 AM
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It's not just offense. We hear Goodwin and our best defense player say the defense didn't show up with the right mindset and can't explain why... how can you not go to southbend and be pumped to the max. It's not the first game we've heard excuses from both sides of the ball.
Yes, 8-1 is better than 5-3 but that's not the point. We're fortunate to be 10 in cfp. I know it's easy to throw barbs at analysts that talk Clemson down, but what team in the top ten would you bet your farm on Clemson beating this week?
I rather enjoyed being in the top 4 or 5 teams but it's apparent that's not our goal.
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Re: TNET: Richardson says the Tigers are a 'very average' offense right now
Nov 9, 2022, 8:56 AM
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When I saw the headline, I was hopeful there would finally be self-awareness of how “average” this offense is. Nope, they’re still fooling themselves. All the coaches need to do is flip on some tape of just about any game from a weekend — except Virginia of course — to see what good and imaginative offenses around the country are doing. Either ditch or revamp these awful wide receiver screens, stop using jump balls on the boundaries as our primary downfield passing game, and if you’re going to play DJ, design 6-to-8 designed runs to keep defenses on their heels.
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Re: TNET: Richardson says the Tigers are a 'very average' offense right now
Nov 9, 2022, 3:11 PM
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We look like Jonah Hill is our DC... guy never played college ball
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If a Clemson coach utters “one Play aWay”
Nov 9, 2022, 7:51 AM
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That coach should be immediately suspended without pay. And let the fans vote whether to keep him or not. That’s loser talk, and every team is one play away. Wake forest was one play away from beating us, Florida State was one play away from beating us, Syracuse was one play away from beating us and so on and so on so on
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Re: TNET: Richardson says the Tigers are a 'very average' offense right now
Nov 9, 2022, 8:00 AM
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Richardson was an excellent head coach in high school, I saw one of his teams win the state championship but he needs to raise it up a notch in college. The one play away is overused. These Clemson coaches need to get this mess fixed.
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Re: TNET: Richardson says the Tigers are a 'very average' offense right now
Nov 9, 2022, 8:01 AM
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The WRs probably do have greatness in them, but they can't display that greatness without a QB to get the ball to them to show that greatness. Just tell the truth Richardson bc everybody knows why they haven't played up to their potential, it's bc the QB throws the ball over their heads, or he throws the ball to our opponents DBs!!! Nuk couldn't catch a 3d of the balls that DJ throws, and he would look like an average receiver!!!
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Re: TNET: Richardson says the Tigers are a 'very average' offense right now***
Nov 9, 2022, 8:06 AM
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Re: TNET: Richardson says the Tigers are a 'very average' offense right now
Nov 9, 2022, 8:18 AM
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I watched Clemson suck badly in the early seventies as a kid. I saw Ford's teams become champs and gain respectability in the eighties. I watched Wests teams become average again. Hatfield.....no comment. Then Bowden win some again but never win the big games. Finally Swinney brings Clemson to national prominence. The talk I'm hearing from coaches this week sounds apologetic yet absent of the reality that we aren't very good. We weren't last year either. We have talent, we still have resources yet something is different. There is a dynamic that is causing what we are seeing in the field. Questionanle Play calling, average QB play, receivers inept at getting open, defense that doesn't seem to have that spark on a consistent enough basis, inconsistent discipline resulting in penalties at bad times ... It's just so many things that are coming together to create an average football team.
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Re: TNET: Richardson says the Tigers are a 'very average' offense right now
Nov 9, 2022, 8:28 AM
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Curious to know how he's related to Tommy Bowden.
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Re: TNET: Richardson says the Tigers are a 'very average' offense right now
Nov 9, 2022, 8:30 AM
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I smell a turd.
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Re: TNET: Richardson says the Tigers are a 'very average' offense right now
Nov 9, 2022, 8:36 AM
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If the offense was average they would have beat ND. The offense to be polite is awful. It starts at QB and scheme/play calling. The coaching staff is inexperienced and that’s not good enough for Clemson.
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I wish that
Nov 9, 2022, 8:59 AM
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The Tigers offense was average right now!
I like Richardson He will be a success at Clemson
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It seems Richardson has some pent up frustration that needs
Nov 9, 2022, 8:59 AM
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to come out. I wonder if he's gotten the raw end of the stick as far as his input on offense/scheme/playcalling? He's been very vocal this week, but feels like he's restraining himself from what he really wants to say.
I hate the "one play away" crap, but I think there's some real frustration and some good(Fire) in what he's said.
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Re: It seems Richardson has some pent up frustration that needs
Nov 9, 2022, 9:01 AM
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DavidHood® you're there interviewing these coaches so I'd think you have a better feel for their mindset based on tone and physical tells. Does my previous comment make sense or am I way off?
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Re: It seems Richardson has some pent up frustration that needs
Nov 9, 2022, 9:20 AM
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FIRE HIM AND OC AND GET ANYBODY ELSE WITH SOME FORTIDUDE AND A BRAIN. THESE INSIDE HIRES ARE NOT WORKING. WE NRRD QB WITH SITUATIOON AWARENESS AND COMMAND AND DJ DOESANT HAVE IT AND THEY CANT COUACH HIM UP.
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Re: It seems Richardson has some pent up frustration that needs
Nov 9, 2022, 9:21 AM
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...AND I CAN'T TYPE
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Re: It seems Richardson has some pent up frustration that needs
Nov 9, 2022, 9:21 AM
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I'M SO ANGRY ...I APOLOGIZE.
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Re: TNET: Richardson says the Tigers are a 'very average' offense right now
Nov 9, 2022, 9:30 AM
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We are not "very average" on offense, we are below average. The play calling is so predictable that its not even average. Opposing D Coordinators love playing us because we make their job easy. I'm hoping we can bring Jeff Scott back in some role. Streeter needs some serious help. I do not know what the deal is with DJ. He did look good against Wake, but has looked horrible the last 2 games. Gotta start getting Cade some more opportunities, he's definitely not our savior, but he needs a chance to develop. I'm betting he could have done just as good as DJ at Notre Dame. We had zero at half-time. Nothing says we are "very average", but rather that we are regressing.
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Re: TNET: Richardson says the Tigers are a 'very average' offense right now
Nov 9, 2022, 11:04 AM
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Agreed. Very average is an overstatement. Better coaching/player development and start the better QB. Instead of blasting our players, our coaches need to look in the mirror. Their deficiencies are glaring.
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DJ had a good game against Wake because 3-4 DBs were out.
Nov 9, 2022, 12:34 PM
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IIRC, Wake had 3 starting DBs out injured (and 1 backup DB) out for the Clemson game, so DJ looked pretty good. But he still missed too many throws and that let Wake take us to 2OT. The AD's PR department pumped up DJ's performance, crowing about his yards and TDs, but it was against a depleted Wake secondary with 50 passing yards and 2 TDs coming in the 2 overtime periods. I'd give that performance a "B". On average DJ is a "C+", turning in performances that range from "D" to "B".
Dabo, Streeter, & Richardson all act like DJ has been great up until the last 2 games. No. He's been OK. And he's Jeckyl & Hyde. He's been so mediocre that he hasn't been able to generate the lopsided scores against weak opponents that would have let Klubnik get a good amount of garbage-time reps against GT and the cupcakes. Dabo & Co. recruited DJ hard and probably love him and feel loyalty to him. But they should also have some loyalty to Klubnik and he rest of the team.
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Re: DJ had a good game against Wake because 3-4 DBs were out.
Nov 9, 2022, 3:22 PM
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Kelly Bryant 2.0... but not as good of a runner
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Re: TNET: Richardson says the Tigers are a 'very average' offense right now
Nov 9, 2022, 9:46 AM
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The coaching staff is very average too.
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Re: TNET: Richardson says the Tigers are a 'very average' offense right now
Nov 9, 2022, 9:58 AM
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Is it just me, or does anyone else think Richardson is overstepping ? Looks like someone needs to reel him in.
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DUH!***
Nov 9, 2022, 10:01 AM
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Re: TNET: Richardson says the Tigers are a 'very average' offense right now
Nov 9, 2022, 10:37 AM
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Please stop interviewing this jack ###. Clearly, he has no self-awareness. The offense is “very average” because they have “very average”coaches.
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I didn't see where Richardson said HE was average***
Nov 9, 2022, 10:46 AM
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Re: TNET: Richardson says the Tigers are a 'very average' offense right now
Nov 9, 2022, 10:58 AM
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Really like him. He has been super successful football coach at Northwestern. 3 or 4 state champs. He put it all together. He is one of the few coaches who explain why there are problems. Reaction to this article is surprising and a bot disappointing, particularly given so many complain about “coach speak”.
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Re: TNET: Richardson says the Tigers are a 'very average' offense right now
Nov 9, 2022, 11:15 AM
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He may have been successful at a high school, maybe that’s where he should’ve stayed. You think fans right now want to here how average this offense is right now? From an offensive coach? What the hell have they been doing in practice this season to get these guys tough and ready to play?
How we should grateful we’re not 5-3? He said that in the last interview, along with lecturing fans on being happy were not going to the Tangerine Bowl. How about we’re only “one play away”? How many times did we hear that last year and now he’s spewing that again? This is the epitome of “coach speak”.
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Next week: “we got who we got”***
Nov 9, 2022, 11:58 AM
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And the old Tommy line... "Half the teams lose every week".***
Nov 9, 2022, 12:37 PM
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Oooooh, sorry man. Dabo used that one this week actually.***
Nov 9, 2022, 12:46 PM
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Re: TNET: Richardson says the Tigers are a 'very average' offense right now
Nov 9, 2022, 12:31 PM
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They keep pointing to the wake forest game, they didn't play man 2 man and force the QB to throw a guy open with anticipation. DJ can beat zone he's really not bad at hitting those seam routes in between zones. His issue is throwing to where his guy alone can get it.
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Until best players start and get the right reps
Nov 9, 2022, 12:49 PM
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Not much will change. Player development (especially QB, OL, and WR) is non-existent. The only players on Clemson who play every down are O-linemen. O-linemen play almost double the snaps of 1st round NFL-bound defenders. Wrap your head around that.
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Re: TNET: Richardson says the Tigers are a 'very average' offense right now
Nov 9, 2022, 12:50 PM
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I remember a coach a long time ago said. “ if ya’ll can,t give me 110% keep yoah.filthy hands off my rock. “. All I see is a coach touching the rock, waving his hands at the sky like that wizard on Lord of the Rings.
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Re: TNET: Some of the Quote was left out
Nov 9, 2022, 12:57 PM
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It should have read " The Tigers offensive game planning and play calling is very average right now, we are afraid to attack and turn it loose plus some of our inexperience at coaching is showing up."
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Tommy Bowden quotes are perfect for the Rob Spence offense.***
Nov 9, 2022, 1:23 PM
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Re: TNET: Richardson says the Tigers are a 'very average' offense right now
Nov 9, 2022, 3:22 PM
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Ahhh, the ol, “I don’t play the game, I just coach the game” excuse.
Maybe it was in the extended interview but Kyle Richardson needs to look in the mirror.
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Re: TNET: Richardson says the Tigers are a 'very average' offense right now
Nov 9, 2022, 3:44 PM
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None of the Clemson coaches being interviewed will acknowledge that the Clemson program has declined substantially in the past two years. For the assistants, that is a tough admission when the decline coincides with your arrival and presence. The coordinators are relatively new. Is that an issue or an excuse? Alabama changes coordinators frequently, and everything seems to go on as before.
I have the feeling Dabo's fixed mindset determines not only hiring decisions but also recruitment decisions, that he looks back to all his successes thinking that the way he did it formerly worked, and will work again. That attitude may work for him, but the angle of descent of the program is unmistakeable. Downward momentum will scare away the best recruitment prospects, and the word that Clemson's best is behind, not ahead, is all over Sports Radio and television. A case that this is not true is hard to make.
If the coaches cannot get a team motivated with two weeks off, an obvious challenge awaiting them in South Bend, so much on the line regarding the post-season, and a defensive line supposedly (pre-season) among the top 2-3 in the country that got manhandled in South Bend, there is a strong odor coming from the program.
After what we experienced over the past decade, ordinary is hard to accept and this team is hard to watch.
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I am going to give my opinion just like y’all. I think Richardson is a straight shooter and I say that because he is stating facts that commentators, media, coaches are also saying. If we honestly take a look at the team they certainly have not been playing up to their potential and that’s what he is saying. It doesn’t appear that they are motivated enough to go beyond themselves but are satisfied with just what they need to get by to win which they had been until Notre Dame. As far as the offensive coordinator, it is apparent that Streeter does not have a strong bag of tricks to offer; play to the right play to the left and up the middle. Play calls should surprise the opposing defensive team! Defensive seems to be holding together but the receivers need sticky gloves. Not going to say anything about the QB position.
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Average my ### . . .
Nov 9, 2022, 11:14 PM
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Average would be a significant step up.
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Re: TNET: Richardson says the Tigers are a 'very average' offense right now
Nov 10, 2022, 10:58 AM
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Why did it take him this long to realize that? Why lose a game before getting your team prepared & focused? We have all the tools to be great but we get very one-sided every game. We can easily balance our passing attack with our great tight ends & wide receivers. We don't utilize the tight ends and are shocked when they do great. It's no surprise that these young men are stars; same with the receivers. DJU locks in on one receiver or tight end each game. Tight ends are almost always open and are dangerous. 0, 80, 10, 6, 13 are all awesome however; forgotten during the games. One may be targeted while the others are not considered and teams realize that. DJU doesn't read the RPO correctly. Many times if he kept the ball or hit the tight end, we would've got sizeable gains but instead he kept it in the belly of Shipley for him to get hammered. Too many bad decisions by DJU. Awesome kid but poor decision-making.
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Re: TNET: Richardson says the Tigers are a 'very average' offense right now
Nov 11, 2022, 10:34 AM
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If the coaches are telling the players behind closed doors the same crap they're feeding us in their PRs (and it seems they are), there's just no hope. One play away? C'mon! Don't get me wrong, I love Dabo and I love my Tigers, but it's the responsibility of the coaches to be honest with their players and find the fire that's missing from this team. I'm soooo thankful for what Dabo's done during his tenure, BUT right now we have a serious problem and it's going to continue getting worse unless there's a drastic change. Any educated and realistic football fan can see it.
#1 - Horrible play calling... conservative, non-creative and repetitive. It's downright embarrassing and incredibly frustrating. Can we suddenly not stretch the field at all... or even try during a game when a ridiculous bubble screen and run up the middle are all we call? If it’s not working, STOP doing it! We have a serious OC issue. #2 - Our receivers are lazy! It sounds harsh, but it's the truth. Minimal effort blocking (if any at all) and they jog during their routes. There's NEVER any separation! With exception of the TEs, they provide zero help to DJ in the passing game and zero blocking help to the running game. A true freshman is the only spark we’ve had this year at WR. Just minimal effort all around. #3 - Our OL is average at best, and their excessive penalties are just lack of discipline and focus. It's been a long time since we had a good OL. Can somebody say recruiting? #4 - DJ is an inconsistently average QB. He'll show an occasional glimpse of greatness, but I don't think his mindset will ever allow him to be great. He's also disappointingly slow, even after the weight loss. He seems like a good kid and I hate the thought of further damaging his mental state, but if we want to continue being an elite program, we've got to occasionally make some hard and difficult moves with our players. Dabo did it with Kelly and Trevor so why doesn't he do it now? It's obvious Dabo's loyalty to him is to a fault. It's difficult for me to say that because his loyalty to his players and his desire to make them better men are one of the things I admire and appreciate so much about him, but we could possibly lose Cade if DJ starts again next year. At some point, you just gotta let go. And... putting Cade in the situation he did with ND and then pulling him when we did was a terrible mistake... probably the worst I've ever seen Dabo make. And lastly #5 - the defense. Where is the pride? Where is the leadership? Where's the emotion? Where is the consistency? The line was supposed to be great this year, and you can occasionally see the talent, but it's so inconsistent... I just don't understand it. Our secondary is just average... yes, they've had injury issues, but most of the "next men up" have acted like children. Defense should be all about tenacity and desire. None of that exists this year. Venables used to call his defense DOGS and that's the mentality of a great D. This year they all look and play like puppies.
Okay, with all that said, I will always cheer for my Tigers... even if we win just one or two a year or get totally embarrassed like we did against ND last week and 10yrs ago against WV. As I said before, I love Dabo and have upmost respect for what he has done and for him as a person. But as a practical and realistic person, I see a serious decline about the occur. It's changing the Clemson culture before our very eyes. I like to believe Dabo sees it too, but it's not being conveyed through his clever PR skills. I sure hope his message and direction are different behind closed doors.
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