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TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
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Jan 14, 2024, 7:04 AM
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Nailed it ...........don't blame these coaches college football is a mess.
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
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Jan 14, 2024, 9:00 AM
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This is the dilemma for sure. Good coaches like Dabo want to outwork the competition, create programs that educate and mature a young man beyond football, offer experiences that expand horizons and create encouragement, while being able to get a quality degree and be exposed to some of the best facilities and training in the country, and in a culture that values the right things.
Now, much of this has been reduced to the financial incentives that are beginning to outweigh what originally gave us an edge in recruiting. This is what makes it tough for a guy like Dabo and Clemson to remain competitive for the top athletes doing it our way. I think we can still be successful, but the playing field sure changed and not necessarily in our favor.
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Great post, 100% agree.***
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Jan 14, 2024, 10:26 AM
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
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Jan 14, 2024, 7:42 PM
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College Football is a mess. I hate it for all the young fans who will not know the college experience that we enjoyed for so long, but it will save me a lot of time and money as I proceed through the rest of my life. I no longer am interested in attending college games, as they now will be professional, or at least semi-pro, since the players are being paid (though that's not a new thing at uga and other secheat schools). We already have seen the diminished loyalty players have to "their school", and I'm sure there won't be the loyalty by schools to their "committed" players. Get ready for a big change. Some fans will love it. Some fans will loathe it. I think I will adopt the attitude I have about pro football (I haven't watched a game since the strike), so it won't matter to me. It will save me, and a bunch of fans like me out there, a lot of time and money. We aren't leaving college football; it has left us.
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
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Jan 14, 2024, 7:15 AM
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Yep kinda suck
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
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Jan 14, 2024, 7:26 AM
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I certainly don't disagree...but 3 of the 4 coaches named were well over 70 years old when they stepped away. Wright left at 60. They didn't leave because "the system is broken"; they left because they foresaw that their future accomplishments wouldn't be worth the sacrifices of the precious time they had left on this earth.
College athletics ARE broken...but that's not going to stop thousands of people every year from hopping on and hoping the train makes it at least one stop. It will always be Someone Else's job to fix it.
IMO, the true loss is in the number of coaches who will never be great because they won't survive long enough at their current jobs. College coaches will become like European futbol coaches, moving every 3-4 years.
But the Jay Bilases of the world don't care about the quality of life of a coach, nor the sustainability or overall quality of the entire industry. They just want to earn an easy living as the legal paladin of some 18-year old blue chip prospects.
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The biggest loss, to me, is the number of young men who transfer out
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Jan 14, 2024, 7:45 AM
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and find themselves with no place to go.
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Re: The biggest loss, to me, is the number of young men who transfer out
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Jan 14, 2024, 7:50 AM
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That’s what they get for chasing dollars. I don’t feel for them at all.
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"Chasing dollars" is a part of the American way, it's called capitalism.
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Jan 14, 2024, 8:22 AM
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Re: "Chasing dollars" is a part of the American way, it's called capitalism.
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Jan 14, 2024, 8:54 AM
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Just because you can make good money at a strip club doesn't mean you should...
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Re: "Chasing dollars" is a part of the American way, it's called capitalism.
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Jan 14, 2024, 9:02 AM
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Only fans did to strip clubs what the NIL did to college football..... exponentially increased revenue for the worker and changed things forever.
But.... adapt or die.
I have no problem with the players finally getting their share. I will never discount the value of an education, but to be honest, some of these players would not be in college if it was not for their athletic ability so I do not discredit them for putting themselves in the best position to make it to the NFL, as unlikely as that is, even for the starters.
The train has left the station and we can not stop it. Dabo has done an amazing job trying to adapt to college football as it is today, but to be honest, I do not know how long he will stay in the game if it keeps going on its current trajectory.
Why do you go to college??? My answer is to increase your income-earning potential. So... if you are making 100,000 at one school and decide to go to another school that you can earn 250,000, I do not hold that against the player. Go get yours while you can.
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Exactly.
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Jan 14, 2024, 9:07 AM
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If people were honest with themselves, it was never about the money being made; it's just who it is that's finally making it.
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Re: Exactly.
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Jan 14, 2024, 10:14 AM
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I agree with the players making what someone is willing to pay them. However, the schools along with the NCAA need to add graduation requirements that are directly tied to number of players allowed on the team. that way, coaches will have to really think about pulling in these '1 year' transfers that don't graduate.
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I agree. Paying them shouldn't mean a "free for all"....college athletics is a
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Jan 14, 2024, 10:25 AM
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dumpster fire, and it needs to be regulated, 100%.
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Re: Exactly.
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Jan 14, 2024, 11:58 AM
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Coaches and schools have been cleaning up financially for years on the backs of the players.
It is incredibly hypocritical for ridiculously overpaid coaches, who can leave at any time for more money elsewhere, to bemoan the fact that players now want a piece of the pie.
That being said, something has got to be done to regulate the free -for- all that is happening now. Maybe regulate coaches salaries as well as implement a salary structure for players.
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Re: Exactly.
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Jan 14, 2024, 12:26 PM
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100% right.
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Re: Exactly.
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Jan 14, 2024, 1:04 PM
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But that didn't start happening until networks like ESECPN started shoveling loads of money into college sports!!!
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Re: Exactly.
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Jan 14, 2024, 10:19 PM
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NCAA was made by a bunch of university presidents sick of the money players were making so they made the organization "for the betterment of student athletes", but it was only about "betterment of their pocketbooks".
Players used to take a pay cut when they went to the NFL....
If you want the answer to any question.... all you have to do is follow the money.
Sad, but true.
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Re: "Chasing dollars" is a part of the American way, it's called capitalism.
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Jan 14, 2024, 1:01 PM
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What you fail to understand is that the NIL is only valuable for specialty players that were mostly 5 star players when the entered college, and the rest of the players don't even know what their fair share should be bc they get nothing!!!
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Re: "Chasing dollars" is a part of the American way, it's called capitalism.
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That appears to be the same philosophy as thieves! They take what they can, without worry of any commitments (rules/rights) made along the way...These guys who say I am committing to a university, then put themselves on the market are not being honest at best...A commitment means you agree to the terms, then you ignore the terms to get higher pay.
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Re: "Chasing dollars" is a part of the American way, it's called capitalism.
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Are college football players 'workers"? Because that would certainly change the landscape...
right now, they specifically are not "workers" or "employees"...
Tampering os the biggest issue, with balance being next...
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Re: "Chasing dollars" is a part of the American way, it's called capitalism.
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Jan 14, 2024, 11:10 AM
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I have to disagree on that. I know doctors and lawyers who stripped their way through college. Not everyone had a family well enough to provide higher education. It’s a legitimate job and doesn’t define the character of a person.
As far as capitalism goes, the open market makes it hard for the little guy to get ahead. Case in point: I have a rare disease called Exocrine Pancreatic Insufficiency. Almost everyone with Cystic Fibrosis suffers this terrible disease. I am one of the rare 0.5% w/o CF who suffers this disease. There was an old, generic medication that worked extremely well and big pharma made it illegal in the IS because it was around $4 a month. The only meds available are almost $6k a month cash price for medication imperative to continue life. The copay for insurance is $400.59 on average. Nestle international sales this same medication worldwide for on average $25 a month. Because the US market is broken, they rape US citizens.
As far as NIL goes, college is no longer about amateur athlete sports. It’s professional sports. I got my first degree on a baseball scholarship back in the 1989-91 years. Even then the scholarship value received was well over six figures a year. Since the amateur status is gone, players with eligibility remaining like Trevor Lawrence should be able to come back and use his eligibility. Any NFL player should be able to. What would that do to “college” sports? Those who can’t quite cut the NFL would fill every roster and the graduation rate and new college student athletes would fall despairingly. I don’t mind a kid making some NIL money.
What’s broken is they have created an insane free agent market with very little rules to govern them. We can’t have it both ways. Players getting paid has broken the system and is not sustainable. Dabo and all Clemson fans are feeling the burn. Saban was feeling the burn. He couldn’t field a juggernaut anymore and his lack of championships since NIL is proof. Bama wasn’t quite the Bama we’re used to.
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Re: "Chasing dollars" is a part of the American way, it's called capitalism.
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Jan 14, 2024, 1:08 PM
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E X A C T L Y! ! ! !
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Re: "Chasing dollars" is a part of the American way, it's called capitalism.
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Well it was never that way in HS or college sports until that capitalism you speak of brought to an area where it doesn't belong. All college BOTs should shut college sports down in their universities and see how capitalism makes it's way in a system that it should have never been in, now chew on that capitalism bc it will lose tons of money if the universities close down all of college sports!!!
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Re: "Chasing dollars" is a part of the American way, it's called capitalism.
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Jan 14, 2024, 2:58 PM
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Uhhh, Gordon was the antagonist, not the protagonist. This country is not supposed to be a business, altho that's how it's been run recently. It's supposed to be a family who takes care of each other.
But as the last 40-some yrs have shown, trickle down has gotten the rich richer and more powerful, leading to this current clown demagoguery.
Clemson has an uphill battle vs. the loaded alumni programs. I hope family wins in both cases, but it ain't looking good. Bleed Orange Vote Blue!
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Re: "Chasing dollars" is a part of the American way, it's called capitalism.
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Show me in Federalist or the Constitution where it says "It's supposed to be a family who takes care of each other"... that is ignorance to the highest order...
The framers felt "virtue" was a core component of a civil society... but they also understood you could not mandate that...
You clearly don't understand (or chose to misrepresent) trickle-down either... you want to replace that with globalism and you would be right...
It was Blue that got us here to begin with... but like everything else in your veiled political screed you gaslight your audience.
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Re: "Chasing dollars" is a part of the American way, it's called capitalism.
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The problem is that we are dealing with an extracurricular activity, which does not operate like a business, but is governed like a business. This is not at all analogous to a proper market economy.
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Calling Chizek a liar are you? The coaches he named might be old but the only
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Jan 14, 2024, 8:12 AM
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all that means is that they have earned way more money than they will ever need and quitting won't hurt their families. If things aren't changed, the trend will become "coach until you are financially secure and bail". No career guys who can tolerate the grind to get programs to the top and be dominant for an extended long while. (And isn't that what we want from Dabo?)
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Re: Calling Chizek a liar are you? The coaches he named might be old but the only
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Jan 14, 2024, 8:38 AM
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He's not calling chizek a liar. He basically said the same thing you just did.
But I will say this. I'll take Saban for his word until proven otherwise. Obviously this is where that was headed.
A lot of us have said the same thing. It's unsustainable. I don't think anyone would disagree with what the article says. It's been said many times over. I'd like to see an article with some teeth on when and how it's going to be changed.
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There's problems with that approach though.
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Jan 14, 2024, 12:59 PM
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Everything is tied to dollars and cents. Saban has commerical contracts, for example. He's also got his reputation as it is for whatever might still be an opportunity for him after the dust settles. Someone mentioned broadcasting, but the point is that Saban isn't going to just come out and say it. Gene may feel he has nothing left to lose this go-around and it is fed up that he doesn't care anymore.
Bottom line is it's a real factor.
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
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Jan 14, 2024, 7:34 AM
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That's why Dabo doesn't recruit guys who want to know how much Clemson is offering. It's the only way to survive this onslaught of madness. We will see coaches lose their jobs over someone outbidding them for a player to replace one they've lost after spending two years to develop him.
Folks can't buy Clemson players because it would be like buying a man's brother or sister. Our guys have virtue far above those who sell themselves like prostitutes year after year.
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
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Jan 14, 2024, 7:52 AM
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Didn't Clemson have about 6 players enter the portal this year? Did they lack virtue for seeking what they believed (right or wrong) to be a better situation for themselves?
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
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Players have always transferred to get playing time when they are stuck behind somebody better - not the case when you are a starter and go merely for money.
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
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Andrew Makuba would like a word.
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You mean the kid with a kid from an empoverished
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family background? That Makuba?
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
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You ever change jobs because someone else would pay you more? I suspect this is shining a light on the reality that, for the most part, players have never been as loyal ("in love") with schools as fans or alum would like to believe.
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
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If your job had restrictions that said you could only be there 4-5 years and then you were no longer eligible to stay in that job , your analogy would make more sense. Whenever I took a new job I did so with the intent and hope of staying for the rest of my career. If conditions changed then I would start looking for a job change. One thing my father instilled in me was to never leave a job until you had secured another one. Playing college sports is not a career, or at least is not meant to be. It is a temporary situation, just like attending college is for non-athletes.
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
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Clearly colleges have only limited restrictions on player movement. Ther is no 4 or 5 year commitment. I think you and I would agree there are problems which result from that. I just don't think its accurate ot fair to condemn athletes ("prostitutes") for exercising a benefit (as they see it) which is permissible. It shouldn't come as a shock to anyone when a person acts in their own perceived self-interests. I don't understand why it bothers people much. If a kid decides he's better off playing somewhere other than UGA, who am I to say otherwise.
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
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Jan 14, 2024, 10:32 AM
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I agree that the kids are not to blame here. As Dabo says, the supposed adults in the room are the problem. Those that make the “rules” and those that find ways to work around them (tampering).
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
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I agree that this would solve the problem. Its not likely as it's not an NFL problem to solve.
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
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Quick question, don't you guys have some underage recruits to get drunk and drive around Athens ? Why you spending all your time here?
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
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I'll agree with you there my UGA compadre...
At the end of the day, we bleed orange for the Tigers like you bleed red for the Dawgs. Our blind love of our university and the desire for them to be national champions clouds our logical judgment on these issues.
We convince ourselves of reasons why good players should stay another year, not transfer, etc b/c it makes our team stronger. While our players do have to be a hardworking team mate that puts the team first in order to be successful, when the season is over, changing teams to a lot of them is no big deal. Just a new team and new group of guys to mesh with and try to be great.
No one says anything about the coach that leaves his players to pursue a better coaching opportunity in a stronger program for more money.... but we all question the player that leaves our school to another to either make more NIL money, get more playing time, or both... even if it doesn't work out for them.
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
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AFD, 88 will throw anything out there (as others) to make Dabo look like the 2nd coming. Dabo and a lot of other coaches are attempting to recruit guys that won't leave. Good thing is, Dabo has a better , or less percentage than most of vetting players that won't transfer for money.
Situations change, people change, and until it's fixed, no one is going to have 100% retention rate. Which is what I hope the original article was intended to convey. It will implode. When, and how is tbd .
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
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Many of those did not transfer for the money. Mukuba definitely did which is cause for concern. Maybe Dabo felt like we had the players behind him and did not need NIL dollars to keep him. Pride was another one I did not like seeing transfer, but he was likely to be 2nd string next year so I understand why he went back home to Mizzou.
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Gene Chizik is 100% correct and I'm glad to see a coach step up and make a statement like this on the record regarding the landscape of college football...other coaches should follow suit
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
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Very Well Said !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!_________________ All of College Sports is Broken***
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
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I said the same thing on here the other day - it will be the reason Dabo leaves. As Chizek said, "Nobody likes it and it needs to be fixed". The old rules worked - 5 years to play 4, sit out a year if you transfer, and you have to play 3 years before you can transfer. You get no "NIL"money to sign with a school and you only get money for things you earn- just like the rest of the world, if your name isn't worth anything because you haven't played yet and excelled, you don't get paid. Simple as that.
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
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I think he was exactly right in everything he said except the part where he said “he could be coaching a lot of other places right now”.
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
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Right, he’s bitter because he sucks. Saban retired because he’s old and his wife is sick.
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Great articles and I love Tnet but
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These articles need to be proof read. So many typos it’s hard to read in parts. And not just the interview which I know can be choppy because of how spoken language is.
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Live TNet? That's kinda hard to read.
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I know you can edit.
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If someone had to be perfect to correct someone
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Else then nobody gets better. Thanks for being a typical tnet hack.
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Re: If someone had to be perfect to correct someone
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So your mistakes are acceptable but mistakes others make are not? Got it. Then doubling with a childish insult to one of the most respected posters on here?
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No, Rhett you know I am a hack - and you know I didn't post there
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to point out that being critical of typos with typos was funny. Or did I?
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Re: No, Rhett you know I am a hack - and you know I didn't post there
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Irony frequently falls on deaf ears. Hope you are doing well. Maybe the bball game yesterday will get us back on track.
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And another of the 100s of reasons I Love Dabo!!! Stay old school coach, develop the kids…. If you build it they will come!! Don’t listen to these portal fans. I would rather be 10-2 then 12-0 with a sell out of the kids that trust in your process 🫡
More to life then trophies
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
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When Dabo leaves I’ll be right behind him . If they wanna be pros , then I’ll just be ALL IN on the NFL !
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
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In a slightly similar environment, college basketball changed with the “one and done” mentality. Coach K could no longer out recruit other teams to replace the 3 to 4 year team building experience he prospered with for years. I know the rules to jump to pro are different for basketball than football but the article seems ever so slightly familiar
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Appreciate Chizik's comments and don't doubt he is on point.
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Jan 14, 2024, 9:07 AM
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But - there's a lot of folks (Dabo and other Coaches) saying the same thing with different words but their voices apparently count for nothing. It's getting to the point that everyone on the bottom floor and in the stands sees the building is on fire but there really doesn't seem to be any effort at all to put it out because the fat cats in the executive suites don't care about the smoke as long as they are still making bank. Eventually it will affect their bottom lines and when it finally gets to that point they too will scream that something has to be done.
Because of decades of NCAA stupidity and greed - State legislatures and the Federal Courts have gotten their hands into the College Football pie and effectively given the NCAA PTSD. So much so that the NCAA is just an ineffective nanny that is too afraid to do much of anything of consequence because they know they will more than likely lose in court.
Unfortunately the only way to fix this mismanaged mess is through Federal Congressional action. But don't hold your breath for a common sense solution where players are fairly compensated but with specific limits, where getting an education is as important as getting "paid", and other guardrails to ensure a level competitive playing field across the board. Congress is filled with nothing but "ME" people and if we have seen anything about our Federal Government - just when you don't think something can get even more stupid - they say "hold my beer"...
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He ain’t wrong…..
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He ain’t wrong…..
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Chizik is right. But can this terrible situation be fixed? How? Something has to be done about it.
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
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Jan 14, 2024, 9:24 AM
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He’s mostly right, but Saban stepped away because he’s 300 years old and his wife is sickly. Chizek is also out because he’s a failure as a coach, not any other reason. He got lucky when Auburn bought Cam Newton and was fired a short time later because he stinks.
There’s no way coaches are going to step away when they’re making that kind of money. Just not happening
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"....and that's one of the reasons I left it." The other being that he got fired.
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Agree 100%. Somebody better get a hold
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Of it and fix it before it's gone.
Fans will become indifferent to the sport.
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
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I agree it is broken and we will see in the next few years how fans feel about it. Since 1974 when I attended my first game a Clemson win over Uga I have been committed to CU.I will say in the last couple of years I have realized there is a lot of life out there during football season. I tape games that I think will be duds (Clemson only) and watch the big games.I can honestly say I have not watched any other team play this year unless I turned it by a channel and there was like a min to go and someone is trying to win it. I watched 0 seconds of a Georgia game and visited one of their sites the same amount. I quit watching college football this year on the 29th of December at around 3 o'clock. I know all fans will feel different but its just different when we watched a high school player be recruited for 2 years and then he commits to CU and we had at least 3 years to watch him play. I feel like now we are on 1 year deals and that is hard to get excited about, I don't blame the players as a matter of fact if I was Peter Woods parents I would have had him in the portal this year. I hope some day the Georgia's, Ohio ST schools form their on semi pro league and those schools that want to play college football where it is student athletes playing start their on league.
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
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Well said, Coach. Which is why I admire Dabo for sticking with his guys and resisting bringing in Transfers over Recruits. “Come here, you will develop as a player, student and human being. But if you aren’t all in, go elsewhere.” I respect that. I don’t respect buying a team for one season. Just look at the FSU bowl game embarrassment. 30 opt outs? Zero loyalty to the coach, team or school. I’ll take 9-4 done the right way. It isn’t all about winning a national championship. It’s about being your best.
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Just Chiz's opinion Phil Savage who's much closer to Saban had a different
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Hypothesis that he gave on the same Sirius show. Savage was a scout and eventually the GM at the the Browns while Saban was DC, then became the color commentator at Alabama while Saban was head coach. He believes while Saban was interviewing defensive coaches to replace Steele et al; he realized he'd have to teach the defense to a whole new staff yet again and didn't have the energy to do it. It fits with what Saban said himself that he didn't have the energy to coach the way he wanted to anymore.
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Re: Just Chiz's opinion Phil Savage who's much closer to Saban had a different
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College football is/will change and folks must adapt. I have to do the same every day in life. Either we change or we get left behind on the treadmill of life. So must college coaches, players and fans. Might not like it today but tomorrow it will be different. Accept this fact and move on or do like Chiz said retire or don't watch. Just our way of life.
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Pay-for-Play, Unrestricted Free Agency, tampering, no salary caps...
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all of these things, predictably, are destroying college football. Either clean it up, or it can burn down to the ground for all I care.
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
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David, I personally wouldn't have written that headline unless of course you agreed with it. Coaches and people can say what fits their agenda.
But for the 25th time. What chizick says is flat out wrong. Saban DID Not retire because football is broken. I take the man Saban, at his word. He retired because he didn't feel he could any longer sustain the working hours he himself set. Very simple actually. And to chizick, Saban unequivocally said NO, the changes in CFB bared no weight on his decision. It's quoted.
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Nick Saban is now the Alabama Football GM
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he couldn't give his all to the demanding job of head coach
he is not done . he just moved up the management ladder
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Thanks for another misleading headline TN:
Jan 14, 2024, 11:44 AM
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Decisions are complex things. If you move to another city, is there one single reason? Of course not. The headline states it like it's the singular reason. If you read the article, CHizik only says it's "one of the reasons". The inside information on Saban isn't difficult to discern if you just parse things: last year, his wife and him had a big discussion on it around the idea of "when is it time to move on to family and other things". I'm sure the CFB landscape had a little to do with it too. I also know it from inside info from someone in his coaching circle. Good decision, Nick! (with props to other famous men like Jack Nicklaus).
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Re: Thanks for another misleading headline TN:
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An ESPN trailer that announced his retirement also read that it was due to the current state of college football. Only saw it a couple of times but it was there.
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Saban himself said it had nothing to do with that***
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All good points, folks, but the genie is out of the bottle and I don’t think you can put it to back. Football fans—all of us included—want our teams at least competing for a national championship instead of having winning but so-so teams like Clemson has had since Trevor and Travis left. Fans demand great teams, and they are impatient. Thanks to the Portal, coaches now can put together championship teams quickly if the NIL offer is big enough.
I went to Clemson and I love the excellence and values Dabo has installed. I am also glad he “ain’t going anywhere,”as he told recruits and their parents in his recent Y’all Speech. My wife went to the University of Washington, and the Huskies’ fans like her are not only upset that DeBoer took off so easily. Once he left, the dominoes started to fall. Star players and recruits are leaving too. It is highly likely that Washington will go from competing for the national title to being lucky to win four games in their next season. That will put them near the bottom of the Big 10.
I wonder if DeBoer has any regrets for what he has wrought as he took off for the highest-profile job in college football, a job in which he will almost certainly fail. Heck, Nick Saban himself—not just Bama’s rabid fans—will be looking over his shoulder. But DeBoer probably has no regrets at all because he was a rent-a-coach at Washington anyway. We are so fortunate that Dabo is not one of those. He loves Clemson and he wants to prove that the “Dabo Way” of building champions still works—i.e., coaching his high school recruits to excellence and not depending heavily on the Portal. Use the Portal as one of your tools, sure. But stick to your core mission of developing young men to be more than just great football players.
Go Dabo! Go Tigers!
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Can someone fix this website? I tried to read a few responses and it keeps refreshing and jumping to the top before I can get through a paragraph. So frustrating
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
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Jan 14, 2024, 1:22 PM
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As a retired 71 year old, I choose to believe the current state of football is a part of Saban's choice but the bigger part is they a house at Jupiter and he is ready to play golf. Saban is 72 so why not retire?
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Thanks, I've really been wondering what Gene Chizik thought about all this
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I guess he didn't have anything to say about Kalen DeBoer preaching family and team and all that stuff before he left Washington just a few days after they played in the national championship to make more money at Alabama and let the players find out he was leaving on social media before he said anything to them about it? Oh, right, that's just business.
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
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The way you restrain this is put a limit on how much NIL money can be made. I say $15,000 per year tops and everyone is on the same level.
The big money should come when or if a player goes pro.
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
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Unconstitutional and illegal unless the players form a union and collectively agree to limits on NIL.
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The way you restrain this is put a limit on how much NIL money can be made. I say $15,000 per year tops and everyone is on the same level.
The big money should come when or if a player goes pro.
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The way you restrain this is put a limit on how much NIL money can be made. I say $15,000 per year tops and everyone is on the same level.
The big money should come when or if a player goes pro.
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The way you restrain this is put a limit on how much NIL money can be made. I say $15,000 per year tops and everyone is on the same level.
The big money should come when or if a player goes pro.
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And this will be the reason Dabo leaves!
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Go Tigers.
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
Jan 14, 2024, 2:32 PM
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I’m glad Chizik is speaking out. All of his points are valid, EXCEPT he leaves out one major point:
Chizik bought Cam Newton with a bag man. Wasn’t it $300k funneled through his Dad’s church (no taxes)? Chizik (at Auburn at least) and Nick were using NIL (SEC bag men) before it was being allowed to “pay players” with NIL. Now, everyone can do it and Bama cannot stockpile 4 and 5 stars waiting until their 4th year to play. Bama’s “every player gets a car” program is no longer as much the recruiting advantage it used to be. That’s a good thing.
Part of me says NIL and portal are going to really level the playing field and create parity in college football, but as Gene points out, there are valid concerns. I’m skeptical of the “sideboards” people are recommending for NIL. If you set a maximum amount (salary) per player or team, then you’ll just have the cheaters (ahem SEC) cheating to gain advantage again. I would love to see the NIL not be used for recruiting but only retention, but then again …cheaters gonna cheat.
I think the first tweaks need to be slow and very incremental to regulate the portal. Crack down hard on portal tampering (tampering = loss of 5 scholarships). Only allow 1 transfer without graduation, etc. or whatever.
I think NIL is healthy and takes care of itself. It spreads the talent out. I’m on the fence about NIL caps.
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
Jan 14, 2024, 3:08 PM
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I agree with what Gene said and most coaches would like to have their players with them for at least 2 years but NIl and the transfer portal has changed that situation.
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I think overall genes statement is really good and i agree with most of it, but i do have to point out " the system is flawed and that's one of the reasons i stepped away"............and the other reason is you are a poor defensive cord and had no choice as you were fired.
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
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I respect Saban for walking away and hope he becomes more outspoken about the problems in college football.
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
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That’s the way to fix college football. Quit until things are restored to normalcy! Is will not take the tv networks very long to fix this mess! Imo
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Thank you for writing this, David Hood.***
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Recruit [97]
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
Jan 14, 2024, 6:54 PM
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You are correct- this is not a case of sour grapes rationalization
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Recruit [97]
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
Jan 14, 2024, 6:54 PM
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sour grapes rationalization
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Orange Beast [6410]
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In the NFL you pretty much know what your team is going to look like because of
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Jan 14, 2024, 8:31 PM
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contracts. Sure holdouts and contract disputes exist, but it comes with the territory. In CFB, you have NO IDEA what your team will look like. I say NIL should have contractural obligations. Where in the world do you get large sums of money with no commitment besides CFB right now???
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Dynasty Maker [3105]
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There's a reason that he's a "former" coach.
Jan 15, 2024, 10:59 AM
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Adapt, quit, or retire.
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Re: TNET: Former coach says college football is broken and that's the reason Saban stepped away
Jan 16, 2024, 7:35 AM
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Been broken ever since they started this transfer portal and paying and buying players, just ask Florida State. College football has done turned into an ESPN SEC joke and will continue to go down hill and fall into complete shambles. It’s really a shame to be honest. All about money and money is the root of all evil. 👿
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