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TNET: ACC Commish vows to continue to fight lawsuits, saying they hurt a 'beautiful league'
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Re: TNET: ACC Commish vows to continue to fight lawsuits, saying they hurt a 'beautiful league'
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I just hope we prevail in being able to leave
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Re: TNET: ACC Commish vows to continue to fight lawsuits, saying they hurt a 'beautiful league'
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The ones who suffer are our student athletes who have to travel cross country for all these sports having to miss class after class for multiple days. Adding CAL and STANFORD was the dumbest decision ever . The money this will cost is gonna blow your mind . Might as well extend the runway at Pickens airstrip and buy ourselves a couple more jets and pilots .
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Re: TNET: ACC Commish vows to continue to fight lawsuits, saying they hurt a 'beautiful league'
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Jun 22, 2024, 9:53 AM
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You realize we are likely joining a league with USC and Oregon?
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Re: TNET: ACC Commish vows to continue to fight lawsuits, saying they hurt a 'beautiful league'
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Jun 22, 2024, 12:45 PM
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And that sucks too. Hope they Regionalize it but eventually I think we all get aligned back to regional in super league.
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Re: TNET: ACC Commish vows to continue to fight lawsuits, saying they hurt a 'beautiful league'
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Clemson is forgetting the fan base who stood by them over the lesser years. Think of traveling to left coast, time, money the logistics. Now, the games are being televised by exclusive packages . I was totally discouraged not being able to follow our baseball team some if us refuse tp pay through the nose to companies that are illegitimate unethical discrimatory
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Re: TNET: ACC Commish vows to continue to fight lawsuits, saying they hurt a 'beautiful league'
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Jun 22, 2024, 7:17 AM
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Equivalent of coaches speak, how about they ruined a beautiful league by not forcing the conference to put football first. All this could have been avoided if they would have pushed the entire acc to better their football products.
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Re: TNET: ACC Commish vows to continue to fight lawsuits, saying they hurt a 'beautiful league'
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Jun 22, 2024, 8:18 AM
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How?
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Re: TNET: ACC Commish vows to continue to fight lawsuits, saying they hurt a 'beautiful league'
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Jun 22, 2024, 10:25 AM
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Set a minimum threshold for investment of the ACC media funds back into football as it is the sport driving the boat for all. If you don't, leave the league and go elsewhere instead of dragging your peers down. Unfortunately though it is now far too late for that approach as things are currently structured.
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Re: TNET: ACC Commish vows to continue to fight lawsuits, saying they hurt a 'beautiful league'
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Jun 23, 2024, 9:31 AM
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That would not work.
The problem is that schools like Wake Forest and Duke are small schools with small fanbases, which simply don't generate enough revenue to compete with the big schools.
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Re: TNET: ACC Commish vows to continue to fight lawsuits, saying they hurt a 'beautiful league'
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Jun 24, 2024, 10:54 AM
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Clemson is fairly small as compared to the traditionally big football power houses. The ACC seems to like the smaller schools also. As a general statement, without FSU the ACC's schools are all on the smaller side. Plus they just let in SMU that has 12,500 students, Stanford with 16,900 and Cal being the newest and biggest school over FSU with 45,000 students. Interms of student bodies we perform much higher than our weight class...kinda like Notre Dame does.
The Big Ten goes at least 6 schools deep that are over 40,000 student enrollment. In the SEC we rank somehwere in the bottom half or even lower for student body size. The reason Texas A&M can buy such NIL classes is that they sport a 70,000 student base and a vast alumni to donate to the cause.
How this impacts us...it comes down to money. In the grand scheme of things Clemson is a small or medium small school. We will not get the viewership even if we win unless we are playing one of the big boys (enrollment wise). We won't sell the merchandice of the one of those schools. We don't have the deep pocketed alumni that all those schools do. This is where our coach, I think, is going the right direction for Clemson. If we cannot win with money we have to win with quality of experience.
My fear with leaving the ACC is that we'll be all excited about it and then rapidly turn into an also ran just due to size of our student body and the hammer we will likely get in terms of revenue for the first several seasons.
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Re: Your argument is moot considering Wake and Duke get just as much money
Jun 24, 2024, 1:05 PM
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My argument is not null and invalid. That's a stupid statement honestly.
The other poster is making an assumption that they aren't spending enough revenue, be it from the conference or the total school revenue, on football. He doesn't know the actual breakdown.
Plus, the conference revenue isn't that big of a percentage of total revenue for the schools. For example, Clemson has total revenue of about $158 million, and the ACC payout is around $35-40 million.
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Re: Your argument is moot considering Wake and Duke get just as much money
Jun 29, 2024, 6:46 AM
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I am not privy to total funds, but acc did not feed the conference. You have to nourish the teans, schools, rather than using funds on management
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Re: TNET: ACC Commish vows to continue to fight lawsuits, saying they hurt a 'beautiful league'
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Screw Jim Philips... he's just a politician who only cares about staying in control.
Go Tigers!!!
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Re: TNET: ACC Commish vows to continue to fight lawsuits, saying they hurt a 'beautiful league'
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Jun 22, 2024, 7:45 AM
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Go Tigers and fight the A She She every step of the way, and then some!!!
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Hes knows its
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A lost cause.
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Re: Hes knows its
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Yep, the iceberg was beautiful too until the Titanic hit it .. and went down, like the ACC is about to …
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Re: Hes knows its
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The ACC isn't going away. It will be transformed. It will be another AAC or big sky, basically a mid major.
The commissioner is, he and his predecessor, negligent on many levels. Instead of wasting millions of dollars fighting two schools who will leave, now or later, use the money to elevate all the schools. No, I don't know what that would entail, but get everyone involved in figuring it out. We've been in this league a long time and I don't want to see us leave, but, at this point, it's necessary.
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Who Hired This Meatball To Be The Commish?
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Jun 22, 2024, 7:55 AM
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Re: Who Hired This Meatball To Be The Commish?
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Jun 22, 2024, 12:50 PM
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well all the schools approved him so it is somewhat on Clemson and FSU. I was always amazed at the unfettered support Swoff had as commish. He was not good and was biased for UNC yet Clemson never did anything but meekly go along.
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Baghdad Bob.
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Jun 22, 2024, 8:15 AM
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Baghdad Bob right at the end. He knew the situation. He kept telling the people everything was great for Iraq. But, he knew it was all a lie.
It reminds me of the news reporters a few years ago who were calling the riots "mostly peaceful demonstrations" while the camera showed massive fires just over their shoulder.
But, Jim is even alluding to the fact that the end of the ACC is near when he talks about a "reset" in college sports. He knows that reset will not include FSU and Clemson in the ACC. He knows that reset will move the ACC down to no better than a "tier 2" football conference.
I suspect he knows the best he can do is keep the ACC relevant in basketball, baseball and the Olympic sports. Being relevant in football when compared to the SEC, BIG and even the Big 12 just ain't gonna happen. And, he knows it.
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Re: Baghdad Bob.
Jun 24, 2024, 10:03 AM
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The sad thing is it does not matter if you love the ACC or hate them
like I do. If we are to continue being a factor in football we have
no choice. The ACC brass has delegated the conference to secondary
status in the pecking order. It will be suicide to stay in the ACC
with the loss of revenue compared to the BIG and the SEC. We must
leave.
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ACC Commish looks like a Goober
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Jun 22, 2024, 8:44 AM
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acts like one too.
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Deer Mr. Commish: What is your plan for keeping the ACC relevant and
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Jun 22, 2024, 9:01 AM
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financially viable going forward. Please elaborate with details, and we'll sit back and listen. Otherwise, just ####.
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This is a great deal for the ACC.
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“That has changed in the minds of a couple.”
Yeah, only a “couple” want to make the least amount of $$$ possible.
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Re: TNET: ACC Commish vows to continue to fight lawsuits, saying they hurt a 'beautiful league'
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Jun 22, 2024, 9:34 AM
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That's the most punchable face ever
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Re: TNET: ACC Commish vows to continue to fight lawsuits, saying they hurt a 'beautiful league'
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The smirk on his face speaks volumes about the ACC. Sankey and the Big 10 commissioner ate his lunch at the CFP money negotiations. He is doing the hurting.
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Re: TNET: ACC Commish vows to continue to fight lawsuits, saying they hurt a 'beautiful league'
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Wow, I didn’t realize the severity of his diarrhea of the mouth.
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Re: TNET: ACC Commish vows to continue to fight lawsuits, saying they hurt a 'beautiful league'
Jun 22, 2024, 2:17 PM
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Your mouth as well...the ACC was just fine till the halfasssemiholes took a powder and skipped the Orange Bowl...the dance committee knew they were substandard and left them out...then they acted exactly as suspected...the hired players all bailed and the conference took a hit because of FSU...let's all do what they do...end of story...as usual FSU blames their failure on someone...let's sue the ACC...they made As**es out of our football program...the optometrists at the SEC don't even need glasses for this one!
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Re: TNET: ACC Commish vows to continue to fight lawsuits, saying they hurt a 'beautiful league'
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Your mouth as well...the ACC was just fine till the halfasssemiholes took a powder and skipped the Orange Bowl...the dance committee knew they were substandard and left them out...then they acted exactly as suspected...the hired players all bailed and the conference took a hit because of FSU...let's all do what they do...end of story...as usual FSU blames their failure on someone...let's sue the ACC...they made As**es out of our football program...the optometrists at the SEC don't even need glasses for this one!
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Re: TNET: ACC Commish vows to continue to fight lawsuits, saying they hurt a 'beautiful league'
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Jun 22, 2024, 10:05 AM
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Here's a novel idea, instead of fighting it why don't you fix it Moron! For everyone.
Otherwise let's give the US back to Spain England and France because they agreed to that unanimously at one time.
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Wow. Talking from both sides of his mouth about 70 years of being
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a great league for 'this part of the country' then minutes later bragging on our 'national' stance with the addition of two trash west coast football programs and a program in SMU that isn't even qualifying for CFP bonus dollars for the new P4. Clearly 'this part of the country' doesn't mean squat today and the ACC under his leadership is flailing.
Saying there's a 'reset' coming also in college athletics sounds like his way of copping out and simply standing by and waiting on others to accomplish something and hoping it benefits today's ACC programs. This is weak. I hope we smash this goober in court.
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Re: TNET: ACC Commish vows to continue to fight lawsuits, saying they hurt a 'beautiful league'
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Cal, Stanford and SMU? This isn’t the 1980s
ACC has treated Clemson poorly since 1981…damaged the university in MANY sports. Whether this gets resolved behind the scenes or publicly, we’ve needed to move on for awhile!
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Re: TNET: ACC Commish vows to continue to fight lawsuits, saying they hurt a 'beautiful league'
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Jun 22, 2024, 12:37 PM
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Just looks like a Chicago sleezeball
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Re: TNET: ACC Commish vows to continue to fight lawsuits, saying they hurt a 'beautiful league'
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Jun 22, 2024, 1:00 PM
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Let me tell you what hurt a beautiful league ... crappy leadership, past, present, and future.
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Just saying they could be twins
Jun 22, 2024, 1:15 PM
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FSU must be lucy
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Re: TNET: ACC Commish vows to continue to fight lawsuits, saying they hurt a 'beautiful league'
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Pic of Commish looks just like a putz.
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He has no choice. If Clemson and FSU leave
Jun 22, 2024, 1:47 PM
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The ACC drops from AAA level to AA in football.
He's fighting to keep the two big dogs, no matter how much it hurts them.
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Re: TNET: ACC Commish vows to continue to fight lawsuits, saying they hurt a 'beautiful league'
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Has anyone ever asked this guy exactly how he thinks ACC schools are going to be able to remain competitive with the schools in the B1G and SEC given the horrible television contract his predecessor negotiated? The ACC has been at a disadvantage financially for some time but it wasn’t an insurmountable disadvantage like it’s about to become. Any ACC member school that wants to be relevant on a national level in ANY sport is going to have to find a new home- especially in this era of NIL and the transfer portal.
Enlighten us oh wise commissioner- what are we to do?
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His not so beautiful half smile and half frown demonstrate his ambivalence.
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Hs presence at the Tigers postseason basketball was all ugly all frowns.
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Re: TNET: ACC Commish vows to continue to fight lawsuits, saying they hurt a 'beautiful league'
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I think our commissioner should be regularly drug tested…
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Re: TNET: ACC Commish vows to continue to fight lawsuits, saying they hurt a 'beautiful league'
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Bless His Heart!
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Re: TNET: ACC Commish vows to continue to fight lawsuits, saying they hurt a 'beautiful league'
Jun 22, 2024, 5:24 PM
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Bless His Heart!
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Re: TNET: ACC Commish vows to continue to fight lawsuits, saying they hurt a 'beautiful league'
Jun 22, 2024, 5:24 PM
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Bless His Heart!
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The only way the ACC survives
Jun 22, 2024, 5:59 PM
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is to force ND to give us two more games annually (5 current, Stanford + 2 more) to become full conference football members. We then have to politely tell a few schools like Wake, BC, Syracuse and Pitt they they are going to have to take a 20%/30% cut in the TV dollars until their viewership numbers improve. If they don't like it they can leave and we will gladly let them rejoin later for $0 revenue share like SMU. Lastly, we have to get a few more travel partners for the west coast schools who will also join with a lower revenue share until they can show their value. I'm talking about maybe Arizona, ASU, Utah and maybe Colorado.
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Re: TNET: ACC Commish vows to continue to fight lawsuits, saying they hurt a 'beautiful league'
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The real culprit in all of this is ESPN, though no one will acknowledge it. They are the one's throwing the huge sums at the B1G and SEC. It was their greed that upset the applecart. When the ACC schools signed the agreement, it looked good, but ESPN knew they were going to give far more money to B1G and SEC, so they crippled the ACC. I love the ACC and have no desire to join either of the other conferences, but by their targetted approach, ESPN transformed college football into NFL-lite and they should be condemned. They are destroying a beautiful game. FSU, Clemson, and the ACC should sue ESPN for misleading them when writing the Grant of Rights and ESPN should renegotiate in good faith.
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Re: TNET: ACC Commish vows to continue to fight lawsuits, saying they hurt a 'beautiful league'
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This guy gets it. All ESPN had to do is guarantee that the ACC and BIG12 contracts will never be more than 15-20% lower than the Top conference. Having P5 or now P4 is much better for CFB than having a P2. And throw out that differential share of the playoff that’s just straight up bs
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If they had fought FOR the league all this time...
Jun 23, 2024, 8:06 AM
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they wouldn't need to fight these lawsuits now.
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Re: If they had fought FOR the league all this time...
Jun 23, 2024, 9:36 AM
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I'm sure Jim has a very nice golden parachute that would be more than enough for any of us to retire on should the ACC cease to exist. Maybe he should just let it go, take the money and go be a greeter at Walmart part time if he gets bored. lol.
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Talk about a crooked smile
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Jim Phillips did a number on Northwestern as an incompetent AD before somehow being hired as ACC commissioner.
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was a beautiful league. great. just tremendous. the best.
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all the people said so. a great league they said. a wonderful great league. with great people. great people. the best people. and uniforms. have we spoken about these uniforms? the uniforms in this conference are amazing. but not the alternative uniforms. we don’t like these alternative uniforms. no place for them in our perfect beautiful conference.
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Re: TNET: ACC Commish vows to continue to fight lawsuits, saying they hurt a 'beautiful league'
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110%er [6242]
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This guy has been an outright disaster
Jun 23, 2024, 11:39 PM
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I'm so tired of his narrative and his reactionary decision-making. I still can't believe he went and got Stanford, Cal, and SMU...and then goes on to say what a great fit they are...LOL...okay, Jim.
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Orange Blooded [2833]
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LMAO!!!!!!!!!***
Jun 24, 2024, 7:45 AM
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Associate AD [837]
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Re: TNET: ACC Commish vows to continue to fight lawsuits, saying they hurt a 'beautiful league'
Jun 24, 2024, 7:59 AM
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All of this is a Coot plot!...look how much good the great SEC money has helped the nuggets...they can't beat us so they cook up this plot to destroy Clemson from within...a little greed and we got em...join the mighty SEC...MO money and we will sequester your fannies in the upper corner of SC and you'll be just like us except we were here first...When we are in the SEC we will be second class citizens to a small box of nuggets...all the Clemson fans will be satisfied, put away, Dabos dream can be stashed and we get beaten every year by Bama, Jawja, Tennessee and Cooterville...now you will all be happy SEC, MO money and COOT equality! Sounds like a conspiracy theory...Coots win, Coots win!
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Trainer [33]
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Re: TNET: ACC Commish vows to continue to fight lawsuits, saying they hurt a 'beautiful league'
Jun 24, 2024, 11:07 AM
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CU Medallion [54617]
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Re: TNET: ACC Commish vows to continue to fight lawsuits, saying they hurt a 'beautiful league'
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Jun 24, 2024, 11:28 AM
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"Beautiful" like 1982? Apparently, the commissioner has no clue about the history of the ACC. Clemson should have left in the 80s.
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Heisman Winner [141785]
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I stopped reading when I realized a guy from Chicago
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Jun 24, 2024, 12:50 PM
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who went to Northwestern, started giving a charter member of the ACC a history lesson on the league and how it’s impacted the area. Thanks for the info, Jim. Let me guess, you say you are “from” NC and constantly tell people how things were done in Illinois, lol.
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