Re: times have changed

You are full of spit! You have no idea what you are talking about. Clearly you don’t know what being libertarian means. I’m a hard-core libertarian. I’m socially liberal on most things but not everything. But being socially liberal is not the same thing as being socially progressive. Especially not in today’s culture war. Libertarians are not into all of this BLM antifa woke-ism nonsense. Libertarians think the idea of a safe space is nonsense as well. College campuses are extremely hostile to any type of conservative thought. College campuses are extremely anti-free speech. Libertarians do not cotton to any of that nonsense! Libertarians are extremely pro first and second amendment. Libertarians are first amendment absolutist! And universities are not even remotely fiscally conservative. They spend money like it’s water!

As far as that gay community on campus living together in that article the other day on here I looked into that and I actually don’t have a problem with it. Here’s why, they already have more than a dozen groups on campus that are living together as a community. Normally I would be against that type of thing because it’s people asking for special treatment. And normally most of these far left organizations and groups are in fact asking for special treatment when they say they’re asking for equality. These people are already equal under the law. They are in fact asking for special treatment. But in this situation at Clemson what this organization is asking for this gay group is actually something that already exists and any group can ask for this type of group status to live together as a group on campus.

When I saw the headline of the article I thought no freaking way at Clemson! I was very much against it based on the headline. But once I read the article and realized what was going on I’m actually OK with it because it’s not special treatment it’s equal treatment. For example, people that are in the ROTC live together in a group on campus. People involved in certain majors live together study together and do this. It seems like there are at least a dozen or more groups like this already on campus.

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Nov 16, 2020, 3:58 PM [ in reply to Re: times have changed ]

How can you be a hardcore Lib? Kinda strange way but ok, I am a philosophical-rationalist libertarian. I can separate the difference between governing and government overreach. While I am not an BLM organizer, I do support many of their arguments that target government overreach and that a black life is, at a constitutional level valued (ie matters) and the policy/enforcement inequity is statistically significant. Ie the government is (by force) overstepping its bounds.... and yes, I did work in a LEO prior so I know that side too. So that is while I can accept some of the complaints made by those of the BLM without wholesale adoption. It is called being rational. I would be very weary of any Lib that claims liberty and then willingly looks away at one of the prime examples of government failing to protect both life and liberty. Libertarians take a measured rational approach with a focus on the constitutional interpretation that maximizes individual freedom. 1 or 2 amendments do no take precedence over other amendments so do some due-diligence on the 9th amendment as well as the police power outline in the 10th amendment. SO call me a lib that is a strong supporter of the 10th/police power too.

That being said, universities are not hostile to conservative through. Quite contrary. They are actually quite hostile to hate-speech being spewed by false-conservatives radicals. This gets back to my issue... you can't promote vulgar hate-speech, label it as "conservative" and then NOT expect a rebuke. Public universities still all have free-speech on campus. I have seen a wide range of speech in my 20+ years in academia. Universities might be one of the last bastions of free speech....but....

If you are an free-speech absolutist, then I assume that you would also agree that free speech can have consequences, no? Free speech is just that the government can not imprison the speaker for the content... but the speaker could be in some some other non-compliance with their actions/delivery: example walking down the interstate with a megaphone - if the 5-0 arrest you, it is not because you were talking about the merits of South Carolina football. Same goes for bomb threats or yelling "fire" in a theatre. Getting back to a University, it is at its core, a contract. You agree to do X, Y, Z, they agree to confer a degree. Simple as that. If you break rule X, they have a reason to rebuke the degree. So if acting like a basic, decent human being is rule X (ie honor code, code of conduct) is one of the requirements that you agree to in order to enroll, then you have to follow that. The university is more than within its power to refuse graduation for conduct. That isn't new in 200+ years. But it is not going to jail the speaker for content of a speech.

As far as the budget.... you haven't being following Clemson's financials have you? Most universities are in a real bind as far as the restrictions from various legislatures etc.

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