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WHAT IS A MAN TO DO ONCE HE IS AT THE TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN
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WHAT IS A MAN TO DO ONCE HE IS AT THE TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN

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Dec 1, 2024, 9:16 AM
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Over the course of my 41 years of life, I have witnessed the rise and fall of many football programs and coaches. The likes of Danny Ford, Bobby Bowden, Frank Beamer, Lou Holtz, Joe Paterno, Nick Saban, and Mack Brown. Prior to me becoming a football fanatic, I heard legendary tales of coaches like John Heisman, Frank Howard, Woody Hayes, and Paul Bear Bryant. While I'm certain that there are many others, I can assure you that each and every one of them shared the same glory and ultimately the same fate.

Where is the glory to be had once you're at the top of the mountain in college football? Your only purpose at that point is that you search restlessly for the worthy opponent that can knock you off of your perch. Sort of like Bobby Fischer in the game of chess, he sought out his worthy opponent that could take his crown in the sport and wear it with dignity. It eventually consumed him to the point where it destroyed him. His fate ended in a shabby hotel room in Reykjavik, Iceland after becoming reclusive and filled with hatred. His passion while a noble one consumed him to the point of his own detriment. The laws of gravity can never be defied. You may climb with all of your strength to achieve the tallest peak of the mountain, but even the mountain will one day succumb to the gravitational force of history.

The careers of legendary coaches could compare to that of the gladiator in the days of the Roman Empire. You win many battles and triumph to the cheers of the crowd and that is your glory, but your true reward comes in the end whenever you're struck by the sword of a worthy opponent, and you take your last breath to the roaring cheers of the crowd.

Legends aren't born, they're created, and true legends never die. Long after we are all dead and gone, the world of college football will still be mentioning Dabo Swinney and, "Little Ole Clemson". As for now, Dabo Swinney is still at the top of the coaching mountain in the world of college football, and the conclusion of his story won't end any different than Mack Brown's did this past week. At this point, Dabo has only two choices to make. He could retire and walk away from the sport altogether knowing that he is a legend in his own right. Yet, I believe he will choose the path of the other aforementioned legends that paved a way for his career.

In conclusion, a true legend has but one choice and that is to stand, fight, and die on the hill that he gloriously climbed and so lovingly defended. All that remains in the end is the legendary stories that our great grandchildren will share with future Tiger generations. The future is bright at Clemson, but that doesn't mean that some dark days won't creep in now and then.

GO TIGERS! BEAT SMU!

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Dec 1, 2024, 9:23 AM
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Still believe in Santa Claus too?

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Dec 1, 2024, 3:41 PM
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That was funny.. 👍

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Dec 1, 2024, 9:29 AM
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Dang Chesty. I had you pegged as older than that

I’ve thought the same but you articulated (how you like that big word) well

I guess you could say when you get to the top there’s only one way to go

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Dec 1, 2024, 9:36 AM
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The Book of Ecclesiastes repeatedly tells us that life is meaningless without God. Unlike the majority of us who entertain hapless pursuits in life, a man of faith uses his platform to pursue God's will. I believe that Coach Swinney has done just that and that's where his true joy in football lies. You know, Coach Swinney blasted Tyler from Spartanburg by saying that he worked his tail off to get to where he is. I don't buy that for a second because Dabo truly loves what he does and who he does it for. When you have a job like that then you won't work a day in your life. The reason why Dabo is a true legend is due to the impact his leadership has had in the lives of thousands of young men. As I say, true legends never die because they don't focus their efforts and passion on becoming successful in the arena, but rather in the hearts of those who encounter them.

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Our country won't go on forever, if we stay soft as we are now. There won't be any America because some foreign soldiery will invade us and take our women and breed a hardier race.

~Chesty Puller
Lt.General United States Marine Corps


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Dec 1, 2024, 9:39 AM
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Well said

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Thousands of people do this every day...

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Dec 1, 2024, 9:44 AM [ in reply to Re: WHAT IS A MAN TO DO ONCE HE IS AT THE TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN ]
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"focus their efforts and passion on becoming successful in the arena, but rather in the hearts of those who encounter them."

Those folks don't get paid $11m a year. I haven't seen his contact, but I wondered what performance measures speak to relationships and how are they weighted against wins and losses.

I completely agree with you in principle, but this is an exception. He has a contract to excel at winning football games, not having relationships with young men.

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Dec 1, 2024, 9:47 AM
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tigerzeye said:

"focus their efforts and passion on becoming successful in the arena, but rather in the hearts of those who encounter them."

Those folks don't get paid $11m a year. I haven't seen his contact, but I wondered what performance measures speak to relationships and how are they weighted against wins and losses.

I completely agree with you in principle, but this is an exception. He has a contract to excel at winning football games, not having relationships with young men.


You won't be successful without the relationships. Relationships are owed but one thing... Loyalty. If he can breed loyalty among players who commit to Clemson, then we won't have any need to fear losing them to the portal. True loyalty cannot be bought it has to be earned.

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~Chesty Puller
Lt.General United States Marine Corps


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Dec 1, 2024, 9:53 AM
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Your last paragraph is a nice thought but it isn't baked in reality with all the changes. College football is now an employer-employee relationship and we all know there is no loyalty on either side with that. Money has changed the dynamic we used to have, and it isn't going to change back.

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Again I agree with you in principle, but loyalty


Dec 1, 2024, 9:56 AM [ in reply to Re: Thousands of people do this every day... ]
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in the face of lots of cash won't hold up. Not nowadays.

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Dec 1, 2024, 11:53 AM [ in reply to Re: Thousands of people do this every day... ]
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Kids aren’t coming to Clemson to find a Dad, or brothers. They are playing now for money and the NFL (again money). Sad but the old way is but a fantasy

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Dec 1, 2024, 10:02 AM [ in reply to Thousands of people do this every day... ]
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Yawn...."muh, Dabo"🙄

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Dec 1, 2024, 10:11 AM [ in reply to Thousands of people do this every day... ]
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Yeah- relationships with players, culture, graduation rates, etc. are great. We all appreciate Dabo for that.
But that’s not why fans are spending thousands of dollars for tickets, or driving/flying hours to see.
Maybe Dabo doesn’t have to justify his salary. But for the investments the fans are putting into the program we deserve to see something better on the field.

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Dec 1, 2024, 9:31 AM
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Here! Here! 🫡

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Dec 1, 2024, 9:48 AM
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Agreed
Well said

Dabo is a true legend.
His passion for Clemson is appreciated, but the patience of the Clemson base is not endless.

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Dec 1, 2024, 9:49 AM
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I don't know, maybe ask Coach Saban...

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Dec 1, 2024, 10:00 AM
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Saban took the walk away option with his frustration with the state of the game and his personal situation.
Happy for him. One of the best coaches of all time.

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Dec 1, 2024, 10:01 AM
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You have to know when to hold them, and know when to fold them...

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Dec 1, 2024, 3:38 PM [ in reply to Re: WHAT IS A MAN TO DO ONCE HE IS AT THE TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN ]
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Excellent answer

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Dec 1, 2024, 10:03 AM
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He needs to do what he’s paid for. Not what his opinion and beliefs are. He’s paid championship money. There is no excuse, no matter how hard you try to find one, for losing to SC. I’m so embarrassed.

Dabo isn’t very easy to like for a lot of people with a little more of a progressive mindset. I’m not talking politically. I guess I mean smarter folks.

Dabo knows he has half the fan base wrapped around his finger because of the titles and his faith. The rest of us, and maybe more now, are sick of the stubburn BS.

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Why do you get embarrassed by someone elses failures?

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Dec 1, 2024, 5:54 PM
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How did you contribute to the result of the game?

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So true

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Dec 1, 2024, 11:05 AM
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My Dad built his own mountain in high school football over 47 years. He planted his 300 career victory flag on his mountain top at Year 43 as a head coach. Two losing seasons later, he refused to step down, and was fired.

It was time to go, but to this day, I remain proud of Dad for holding firm to his position. Unwavering, focused, and in control of his emotions, he died on that hill.

I was there with Dad in the final days as he stood firm, reciting over and over, the names of hundreds of men who built that mountain alongside him. No longer able to converse with us, Dad was still holding that mountain top position for himself and those men that built-it with him.


Thank you for the fabulous post. It has given me a new perspective.

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Dabo is not a legend.

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Dec 1, 2024, 11:29 AM
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To be a legend you have to build a dynasty, and Dabo has not done that. A dynasty is building something that lasts longer than the stretch he had it. He had a chance to do it, and decided he'd go a different path of doing it "his" way; an attempt to keep college football "pure."

You can say what you will about the choice he made. I think it was worth a shot. But it is abundantly clear that experiment has failed. We are never going to sniff at a playoff unless the chips outside of our control fall in our favor, and we have absolutely zero shot at playing in a national championship if the status quo is maintained. Clemson must now choose whether it wants to keep paying him Natty money for a purity culture, or move on from him.

I am 100% okay with Clemson dropping out of whatever you want to call college football today, returning the program back to a non-competitive (amateur) culture closer where we're intentionally not trying to compete with the CFP teams. That would probably be more enjoyable than NILs and transfer portal betrayals. But Dabo would need to take a 60% (at least) paycut for that. And Clemson would have to stop building a sports Mecca around campus. Heck, every new building program on campus would need to hit the brakes. But again, that's fine with me.

What I hate is trying to have it both ways.

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Dec 1, 2024, 11:33 AM
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So true make your decision and move on!

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So what is it that you want?

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Dec 1, 2024, 11:48 AM
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It can't be a national championship, because you aren't getting one.
It can't be regular playoff appearances, because you aren't getting that either.
Is it keeping Clemson football a "college" feel, because that's not happening either so long as we're chasing NIL, kicking small, long-time donors to the curb to boost money to pay players.

Or, is it that you know things aren't going how you want, but you're too afraid to speak ill of Dabo's name so you're happy to sit there with a smile as you're fed spoonful after spoonful of cowshit?

All I'm saying is we can get the same type of results this year, and keep it "lil ol Clemson" with a coach for a fraction of Dabo's salary. Heck. Bring back Tommy.

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Dec 1, 2024, 3:51 PM
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Dabo says. The only handicap is a bad attitude.

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Dabo is a liar. I do not believe a word he says.***


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Dec 1, 2024, 3:35 PM [ in reply to Dabo is not a legend. ]
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To be a legend you have to build a dynasty, and Dabo has not done that. A dynasty is building something that lasts longer than the stretch he had it. He had a chance to do it, and decided he'd go a different path of doing it "his" way; an attempt to keep college football "pure."

You can say what you will about the choice he made. I think it was worth a shot. But it is abundantly clear that experiment has failed. We are never going to sniff at a playoff unless the chips outside of our control fall in our favor, and we have absolutely zero shot at playing in a national championship if the status quo is maintained. Clemson must now choose whether it wants to keep paying him Natty money for a purity culture, or move on from him.

I am 100% okay with Clemson dropping out of whatever you want to call college football today, returning the program back to a non-competitive (amateur) culture closer where we're intentionally not trying to compete with the CFP teams. That would probably be more enjoyable than NILs and transfer portal betrayals. But Dabo would need to take a 60% (at least) paycut for that. And Clemson would have to stop building a sports Mecca around campus. Heck, every new building program on campus would need to hit the brakes. But again, that's fine with me.

What I hate is trying to have it both ways.




With the $20M being allotted each year to Clemson athletes, Dabo can now offer $150K in addition to the scholarship to players in high school. Thus, Dabo will be more competitive. According to Clemson's Athletic Department, Clemson is the only school that will allocate $15,750,000 of that revenue share to the football program. Maybe you missed that part. In addition to a full scholarship and a basic income of $150,000 per year, the player will have an opportunity to earn a NIL package that is probably worth millions. The NCAA and the House settlement placed caps on revenue sharing, but not NIL. To me, it's a more sustainable business model and Clemson will be able to compete more now that revenue sharing is in full effect as of next month. Also, with 105 scholarships available, Dabo can recruit larger classes each season. Soon, other football programs won't be able to compete with Clemson on the money aspect of the game, but Dabo will be able to continue to protect the culture of his program.

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~Chesty Puller
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Dec 1, 2024, 3:42 PM
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Completely delusional

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Delusional is right if you think it's money holding us back.***


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Dec 1, 2024, 3:45 PM
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Wow! Brilliant! I wished I could follow you with great words. I think in my words I’m saying the same thing. The sunshine does not always shine in the same dog’s butt all the time, 🤦‍♂️

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THE FUTURE IS BRIGHT FOR CLEMSON

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Dec 1, 2024, 5:46 PM
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For multiple seasons I have told the masses that Clemson will soon hit a stride, and nobody will be able to stop them. Many call it wishful thinking on my part, but I beg to differ based upon what Neff and Dabo have stated. If I'm not mistaken, the revenue sharing cap is $21M for every school, and Neff has said that 75% of that will go towards the football program. If that is the case, then the player earns a scholarship to play for Clemson and each player will earn $150K per season. NIL will still be a separate payout for players who earn a deal. That will help tremendously with building retention. With 105 scholarships on the roster Dabo can recruit from the high school class and offer a salary to play at Clemson. Sure, some schools will use NIL to recruit players from high school but the money being spent from each team's booster club will only account for 1-5 recruits collectively from the portal and high school each season. If NIL is offered on top of the revenue sharing to high school recruits, then it puts Clemson back on even footing with other big programs. If that is the case, then I like the odds. Dabo has shown that Clemson can accomplish more with less.

Of course, unless my information or understanding of revenue sharing and NIL are inaccurate. In that case, I may be totally wrong. However, I have no reason to doubt Dabo because everything he has set out to accomplish, he has accomplished thus far.

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Our country won't go on forever, if we stay soft as we are now. There won't be any America because some foreign soldiery will invade us and take our women and breed a hardier race.

~Chesty Puller
Lt.General United States Marine Corps


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