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Orange Blooded [2593]
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This is what they get . . .NCAA wokies did this . . .
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The Seminoles played without their top two quarterbacks, top two running backs, top two receivers, starting tight end, three starting defensive linemen, two of three starting linebackers and three starting defensive backs. They were down 29 scholarship players in all.
Thank you NCAA !!! This is what happens when you try and be friends to your children, rather than parents.
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Dec 31, 2023, 2:24 AM
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Somehow wanting to protect future earning potential is now "woke". Or maybe it's wanting to be paid for labor that is "woke". Or is it just "something I don't like" that is "woke"?
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Clemson Icon [26732]
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The system is broke.
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Dec 31, 2023, 4:34 AM
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We can all disagree on who broke it and how it must be fixed.
But, we should all agree that the system, as it currently stand on 12/31/23 is broken and in desperate need of a major overhaul.
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Trainer [45]
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Re: The system is broke.
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Dec 31, 2023, 8:36 AM
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Yeah, but it ain't 'woke'.
You can thank a few manipulative people for co-opting this phrase (and a few others).
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National Champion [7956]
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Based on your pulse and lack of common sense, you are clearly woke.***
Dec 31, 2023, 9:00 AM
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Re: This is what they get . . .NCAA wokies did this . . .
Dec 31, 2023, 10:52 AM
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Or, you're just an ###.
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Orange Blooded [2593]
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Re: This is what they get . . .NCAA wokies did this . . .
Dec 31, 2023, 10:49 PM
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Up yours sissy !! Yes I'm saying that to you!!! Don't misunderstand me.
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Athletic Dir [889]
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Re: They consider anything they dont like as woke these days.***
Dec 31, 2023, 10:40 AM
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Any cocktail made with gin is woke. That's right. I said what I said.
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Re: This is what they get . . .NCAA wokies did this . . .
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Dec 31, 2023, 7:05 AM
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Somehow wanting to protect future earning potential is now "woke". Or maybe it's wanting to be paid for labor that is "woke". Or is it just "something I don't like" that is "woke"?
Not living up to your commitments is woke. Abandoning your team is woke. Not finishing the job which you have already been compensated for is woke. Making up a reason to abandon your responsibilities is woke.
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Hall of Famer [8874]
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Re: This is what they get . . .NCAA wokies did this . . .
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Dec 31, 2023, 8:35 AM
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What about the Clemson players who opted out? Does the same for them? I mean after all, they didn't hold up their end of the bargain by not finishing the season
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Orange Phenom [14535]
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Re: This is what they get . . .NCAA wokies did this . . .
Dec 31, 2023, 9:45 AM
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Yes, same goes for them.
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Tiger Spirit [9854]
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Dec 31, 2023, 10:33 AM
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What about the Clemson players who opted out? Does the same for them? I mean after all, they didn't hold up their end of the bargain by not finishing the season
Why would it be any different? Worst of all, the opt-outs left their teammates hung out to dry.
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Game Changer [1734]
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Dec 31, 2023, 10:52 PM
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You are clueless. And it proves my point son!! You don't even realize what is at issue here. That's why were all heading there in a hand bag. Do I need to explain that to you too?
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Dynasty Maker [3165]
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Re: This is what they get . . .NCAA wokies did this . . .
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Dec 31, 2023, 7:29 AM
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They are being given a free scholarship! Education and room and board and training and medical care and on and on and on!
The term used to be amateur Athletes meaning they do it for the love and fun of the game and they don’t get paid !!!!!!
You are woke!!
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Yeah, calling the situation in college football woke. Problem is a stupid ### calling… Well, it’s a stupidest calling anything in the world awoke problem. Using that word these days means you’re a ####### idiot.
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Orange Blooded [2593]
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Re: This is what they get . . .NCAA wokies did this . . .
Dec 31, 2023, 10:53 PM
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And up yours too kiddo. Understand?? I don't sit back and let people make ignorant remarks,. You want to own up top your comments ? Let's go.
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Orange Blooded [2593]
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Re: This is what they get . . .NCAA wokies did this . . .
Dec 31, 2023, 10:54 PM
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Jet I coached for 11 years. Absolutely no " I " in team. But not with todays kids.
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Orange Elite [5430]
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Orange Blooded [2593]
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Re: This is what they get . . .NCAA wokies did this . . .
Dec 31, 2023, 10:56 PM
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Then spain' it to me Ricky . . . since you know better than my educated and Mensa'd self.
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Athletic Dir [1122]
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Re: This is what they get . . .NCAA wokies did this . . .
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Dec 31, 2023, 5:59 AM
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Live by the sword die by the sword. The system is how they got so much better in a year. Plenty of other teams were missing the players the paid for.
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CU Medallion [20751]
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I think you are using "woke' out of context....but I agree.
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College football needs to be straightened out. I am not saying to not compensate players but do it logically.
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Dynasty Maker [3165]
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Re: I think you are using "woke' out of context....but I agree.
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Dec 31, 2023, 7:31 AM
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Amateur athletes are not supposed to get paid!!!
Greed is killing the game.
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CU Medallion [20751]
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You call it greed. I call it free market. This is the US way,
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I like it.
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Game Changer [2034]
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Re: You call it greed. I call it free market. This is the US way,
Dec 31, 2023, 9:11 AM
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You aren’t real bright then. All about $$$$ to you, right?
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Orange Immortal [65714]
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Exactly right - it has turned into a market - buying players
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Dec 31, 2023, 9:28 AM
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for a single year without any expectation that you can keep them a second year without even more money. It used to be that high school players worked hard to "earn" an offer to get a free ride to a college education. And in my day that was worth a fraction of what college costs today ( big fraction). When did getting that scholarship stop being adequate compensation? I don't see anything wrong with "true NIL" in which a player is paid for promotions or autographs in a "free market" BUT TO PAY THEM UPFRONT BEFORE THEIR NAME AND IMAGE HAS PUT THEM IN A POSITION TO SAY THEY HAVE ACTUALLY EARNED ANYTHING IS BEYOND THE DEFINITION. The only free market here is "pay-for-play" without a contract that makes them actually commit to stay on the field for the team they are paid to go to in the first place. Pro sports require that .
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110%er [3715]
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Dec 31, 2023, 6:34 AM
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FSU players freely chose not to play in a bowl game. How is that the fault of anyone but the players?
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Clemson Sports Icon [57464]
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Re: This is what they get . . .NCAA wokies did this . . .
Dec 31, 2023, 6:42 AM
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Kirby Smart had some comments after the game.
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110%er [3715]
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Dec 31, 2023, 6:44 AM
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I'd be curious as to his ideas on how to compel players to play. Georgia also had opt outs, but only a handful.
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Dec 31, 2023, 8:53 AM
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About the only way to do that is make them employees and make it part of their contract. No play , no pay. Not saying that is the way I want CFB to go but saying that is about the only way to make them play.
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Orange Blooded [2593]
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Re: This is what they get . . .NCAA wokies did this . . .
Dec 31, 2023, 10:57 PM
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BINGO !!!!! You want what we have, you do what you have to to complete your contract.
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Head Coach [969]
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"Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate," Kavanaugh wrote. "And under ordinary principles of antitrust law, it is not evident why college sports should be any different.
"The NCAA is not above the law."
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Orange Blooded [2867]
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You're saying they were not being compensated handsomely before?
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Dec 31, 2023, 7:22 AM
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Tuition, room and board, books, fees, etc.
Folks who are saddled with $100k+ in college debt would argue that those athletes have been getting paid well.
Not to mention that most never would have been accepted to those schools based on academic merit.
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Head Coach [969]
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Re: You're saying they were not being compensated handsomely before?
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Dec 31, 2023, 7:39 AM
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This is what Justice Kavanaugh wrote.
He ripped the NCAA model. Indicates it violates the monopoly laws of the 1800s.
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Orange Elite [5430]
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Re: You're saying they were not being compensated handsomely before?
Dec 31, 2023, 10:44 AM
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is kavanaugh woke? did he turn woke on this ?
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Clemson Conqueror [11457]
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He's not saying anything the chief justice of the SCOTUS said it
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The inept leadership of the NCAA buried their heads in sand for years instead of preparing for this eventuality; then got beech slapped by the SCOTUS.
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Head Coach [969]
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Re: He's not saying anything the chief justice of the SCOTUS said it
Dec 31, 2023, 8:50 AM
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There were two documents provided by the SCOTUS in the case that effectively ended the NCAA model.
The first was provided by Justice Gorsuch.
The second (more damaging) was provided by Justice Kavanaugh.
I’m not sure why you are referring to Chief Justice Roberts.
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Clemson Conqueror [11457]
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My bad I thought the chief justice wrote the opinion; however,
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The decision in the Alston case was 9-0 so they all agreed. BTW 6 of the 9 are conservative including 3 who were appointed by the previous president.
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Dynasty Maker [3165]
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Re: This is what they get . . .NCAA wokies did this . . .
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Well if that is the case then go ahead and call it professional sports “ work” and call them employees and let them pay Taxes on the money they make including the scholarships they receive .
Let them pay for their own medical and healthcare and room and board.
The judge maybe right but if He is college sports are finished.
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Head Coach [969]
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Dec 31, 2023, 8:13 AM
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Justice Kavanaugh is one of the most powerful judges in the world.
He wrote this as part of a 9-0 decision by the Supreme Court last summer.
I don’t know if he is “woke” because I don’t know what that means.
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Orange Blooded [2104]
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If this NIL case was a 9-0 decision, why would you single out one judge as being the most powerful judge in the world using this case as an example?
That doesn’t make logical sense.
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Dec 31, 2023, 9:45 AM
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I think we also have to remember that NCAA athletics are developmental leagues. Most colleges don't make a profit like professional sports teams. Football makes money that supports many sports that most other sports could not exist without. Some of those sports are mandated by Title 9. So it's not as simple as the business model for the Dallas cowboys. Most players don't make the pro leagues. But some are multi-millionaires due to college football . For example Grady Jarrett. Just saying it's not as simple as even the Supreme Court may suggest.
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Orange Blooded [3624]
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Re: This is what they get . . .NCAA wokies did this . . .
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Dec 31, 2023, 7:42 AM
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Noles were overrated anyway, even with everyone.
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Clemson Sports Icon [56549]
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It's on Norvelle too...He is the guy that bought all of those guys. And I
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Dec 31, 2023, 8:33 AM
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would bet Humbleservant's farm he or someone had contact with them BEFORE they jumped in the portal. Live by the sword,die by the sword.
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Top TigerNet [31101]
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Re: This is what they get . . .NCAA wokies did this . . .
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Dec 31, 2023, 8:45 AM
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What’s wrong are you an Anti-capitalist??
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Orange Blooded [3624]
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Re: This is what they get . . .NCAA wokies did this . . .
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Dec 31, 2023, 8:49 AM
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Woke isn't the proper term for the situation. That's a huge stretch, but we can all agree the system is broken.
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Orange Blooded [2527]
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Dec 31, 2023, 9:07 AM
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Is it broke? As fan, it's not what most would like it to be. We all want the "old days". But college athletics began as two alumni bases wanting to watch their schools students compete against each other. Then someone realized outside people would pay money to see it also on TV. And here we are.
And until enough viewers are lost and ad revenue falls, the monetization efforts will continue to evolve to maximize that revenue.
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Orange Blooded [3624]
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Re: This is what they get . . .NCAA wokies did this . . .
Dec 31, 2023, 11:06 AM
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I see it as broke and needing a tune up.
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CU Medallion [20751]
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Funny how 'woke' suddenly includes conservative Supreme Court judges. A unanimous 9-0 decision seems more like common sense than a political stance. Maybe we should just call it a win for the athletes, regardless of our bedtime reading preferences.
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Re: Some people on this bored want to inject politics into everything they can...
Dec 31, 2023, 9:30 AM
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Let's remember that most players do not opt out of bowl games. Everyone plays. It's only a handful that will get drafted by the NFL. Furthermore, if you read the wall Street journal article from yesterday, playing college pays more than a 3rd round pick in the draft.
So, don't get to upset about 1 percent of the players not playing.
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Yes - I've watched my father fall into this pattern over the last year or so. Not sure how we got here, but whoever stated, "When something isn't liked, it's woke" hit the nail on the head. Seems terms and definitions are easily hijacked/conflated/misused these days. Personally (and sadly), whatever "this" is, continues to gradually estrange me from my dad as if something has colored his view of reality - all situations must be politically rooted. I'm not happy with how the CFB ship is sailing right now - but, with some time, it will course correct. No blame as this diversion from what we knew was largely inevitable.
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Clemson Conqueror [11457]
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Its spelled Wookiee, and I dont know why you have so much hate
Dec 31, 2023, 9:51 AM
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For such brave and loyal creatures
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The NCAA didnt do this
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Dec 31, 2023, 10:42 AM
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In fact, the NCAA was one of the few trying to prevent it.
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Orange Blooded [2593]
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Re: The NCAA didnt do this
Dec 31, 2023, 10:58 PM
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Early on . . but it changed.
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