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Todays mass shooting on IOP
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I’ve been walking this stretch of beach almost every day for years. No issues generally other than a few jellyfish and occasional man o war. Laid back people. Plenty of space for everyone to hang out and have a good time.
My three kids grew up on this beach and my daughter was supposed to go there today but she ended up here at home.
Thankfully no one was killed. It could have been much, much uglier. When does this madness stop?
Something about it really irks me. We have more guns than ever before, does anyone actually feel safer?
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First I’m hearing of this
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Apr 7, 2023, 8:31 PM
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Me and my family been going there every summer for like 15 years
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Re: Todays mass shooting on IOP
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Apr 7, 2023, 8:33 PM
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Game Changer [1654]
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It’s always been more crowded sure but nothing anywhere close to that
Apr 7, 2023, 9:48 PM
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Hell most parts of Myrtle don’t even have shooting on the beach.
Sounds like it was a crazy party of high schoolers skipping school that got out of hand. Doesn’t make it any less bad though.
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The problem is that people are getting
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Apr 7, 2023, 8:34 PM
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Exponentially stupider, less educated and more mentally & emotionally unstable.
Social media, the gov't and big business are ruining society while people beg for more.
Yea, guns aren't a good recipe for our society in terms of the aforementioned, but Americans have had access to guns far longer than this bullchit had been going on. All calibers, all styles, all types.
Oh and wrong bored, Moran!
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Dynasty Maker [3333]
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More guns per person than any time
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in human history.
Your caliber argument doesn’t work in that frame.
I could
Care less about what bored I’m on, Moran.
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Heisman Winner [78602]
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Or couldn't care less?
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Apr 7, 2023, 9:59 PM
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Tough to call others moran when you can't communicate the kings English correctly.
Oh, and you've got no argument. I was simply humoring your ridiculous post.
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Dynasty Maker [3333]
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More guns per person than any time
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Apr 7, 2023, 8:44 PM
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in human history.
Your caliber argument doesn’t work in that frame.
I could
Care less about what bored I’m on, Moran.
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Heisman Winner [78602]
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It's also funny you pose a question and
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Apr 7, 2023, 10:02 PM
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Get your feelings hurt when everyone disagrees with you, 😂 😘 😘
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Re: Todays mass shooting on IOP
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Apr 7, 2023, 8:37 PM
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It ain’t the guns.
It’s the out of control younger generations who were never told no, never disciplined, never taught respect for authority of any kind, have always been told they are wonderful and are always right, feel entitled to everything, have been given everything and are offended by everything.
Since parents and teachers are not allowed to spank them anymore and cops can’t shoot their lousy a s s e s anymore, they run amok and don’t give a darn about the law or any other human being.
In other words, the me-me-me generations.
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With all due respect, if you are 72 tiger you don’t have kids 1-15 years old most likely. It ain’t the guns and it ain’t the kids, it’s the media, social media and YouTube. Kids are being raised right but their access to information and exposed to ideas is so far beyond anything we ever had. They are not meme, they are not selfish, they are simply being exposed to people and ideas that are not normal or what they’ve been taught. It’s not their faults. They are good kids but being told certain things are OK and should be done, influencers that none of us can stop are having their opinions heard by children that are too young to understand what’s right and wrong, what’s normal, how people should act. It’s todays technology and the media broadcasting everything. Don’t blame the kids, it’s us as parents that need a learning curve. We have to be more involved, parent harder and teach normal. Back in the day “free range parenting” developed normal kids who leanred right and wrong from their peers. It’s up to us now to monitor what they watch and teach them ourselves. We all need to do better but don’t blame the kids, they are kids for a reason, they need guidance and influence and it all starts with the parents being more involved.
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Excellent post
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Apr 8, 2023, 4:58 PM
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There’s room for everyone to own some blame
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Re: Todays mass shooting on IOP
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So who is at fault, the youth or the parents that failed to parent?
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Re: Todays mass shooting on IOP
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My opinion is parents have to be more involved than ever in any life time before this, we used to be able to let kids be kids and they would learn how to act and what is “normal behavior” from each other mixed in with a good foundation at home. That is no longer the case, parents have to probe daily and clarify proper thoughts and behaviors because they have so much access to so many other ideas that are far more mature than they can comprehend.
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Re: Todays mass shooting on IOP
Apr 8, 2023, 11:40 AM
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In a post modern society where there "are no absolutees" What do you expect?
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Dynasty Maker [3112]
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This "malady"is an old one:
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Apr 7, 2023, 11:14 PM
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"I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on
frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond
words... When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and
respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise
[disrespectful] and impatient of restraint" (Hesiod, 8th century BC).
FYI
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Game Changer [1654]
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That quote is one of my favorites
Apr 8, 2023, 7:15 AM
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It should be posted on almost every non sports thread on tigernet
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Re: Todays mass shooting on IOP
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Culture is a huge part of the problem. Too many boys are "reared" by Mama and Grannie, instead of by their father. I coach a lot of youth sports and I can tell on the first practice which boys have a father in the home.
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Re: Todays mass shooting on IOP
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Apr 7, 2023, 8:40 PM
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Social Media. No consequences anymore.
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Valley Protector [1400]
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I researched gun violence ALOT a few years ago, and many
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here will absolutely not agree with my opinion based on facts. There is essentially a linear relationship between the number of guns in circulation and the numbers of gun deaths (homicides and suicides) and injuries across all countries. The shear number of hand guns IS a problem. Sorry for the unpopular opinion. It is what it is. I am a gun owner. To each, his own - but it's just too easy to have a gun. The facts are the facts...
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Please explain how making laws to restrict responsible gun owners will stop criminals
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Ill wait.
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Valley Protector [1400]
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It is not a restriction...simply less guns means less gun
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violence. There will always be criminals, but the thought is that if guns aren't so available and pervasive, to (in this instance) teenagers, so that when some one kicks sand in their face at IOP, they won't shoot...they'll throw sand, go to fisticuffs, or maybe just get mad and go home. But there won't be six people shot!
It's a long term solution of buybacks WITHOUT ownership restriction...
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Less criminals means less violence. A gun is an inanimate object. I guess less cars would reduce drunk driving.
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Re: It is not a restriction...simply less guns means less gun
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Did you look at the correlation between less criminals in jail and bail "reform" vs. gun violence? This whole idea that we should let criminals escape jail time for "minor offenses" so they have free rein to commit more crimes is ludicrous. Focus on the criminals and your time is much better spent than whining about guns.
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Re: It is not a restriction...simply less guns means less gun
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When I first went into L.E. Zell Miller had just passed "three strikes and you are out" laws in Ga. Our DA would slow walk cases and not oppose bond on repeat offenses. Finally figured out what he was doing. He was waiting for them to commit strike 3 and sending them to prison for 40 years with no parole.
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Re: It is not a restriction...simply less guns means less gun
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Sounds like that is a culture problem, not a gun problem. People quit acting like animals.
When I first went to work at Sheriff's dept almost 30 years ago, I was trained mostly by an older black man. (He was not an African American. He would tell you right quick "I have never been to no F...ing Africa) I remember first bar fight call we went to in the projects. He told me on the way "The whole place will be fighting. Two or three white folks can fight and everyone else watch. With black folks, any fight turns into the whole place in a brawl , especially when alcohol is involved." I will have to say that his advice seemed to hold true throughout my career. I observed that time and again.
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Re: It is not a restriction...simply less guns means less gun
Apr 8, 2023, 10:38 AM
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This is what happened yesterday…
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Re: I researched gun violence ALOT a few years ago, and many
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unpopular non opinion
more people are killed with hands feet and fists than rifles (fbi statistics)
3x more people are killed with knives than rifles (fbi statistics)
virtually the entire entire percentage of hand gun deaths in this country "that aren't suicide"
are gangbangers and derelicts in the democrat run inner cities of America
no one will enforce gun laws in these areas or even sentence people appropriately for gun crimes in these areas
look up the statistics - be an informed American vs a moron - just my personal advice
facts trump ideologies and politics - for me at least - but I'm not am emotionally driven liberal npc
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Valley Protector [1400]
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You strengthened my argument...it's not rifles (or assault
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rifles which most folks don't know what they're talking about when they say that) that are the problem. It's the ridiculous amount of hand guns out there in all walks of society that kill more than 60 people a day in America by homicide and a crap ton more by suicide.
The lack of prosecution in many places is, too, a problem.
I know the statistics and am informed with more than talking points. I know that each side blames each other. It's a long term problem that will require a long term solution that folks on each side will not like..
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Re: You strengthened my argument...it's not rifles (or assault
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Study out what "Well regulated" meant in the late 1700s. Look up who the "militia" was.
Private citizens owned the vast majority of artillery pieces until the American civil war.
The founders wanted a populous armed so government could not tyrannize them.
Nutty people going to kill themselves. Bangers are going to bang. I am going to keep my guns.
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Re: You strengthened my argument...it's not rifles (or assault
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it's a tough concept for many
freedom is scary and dangerous
the alternative is far worse - history has shown us time and time again - no one learns
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Re: I researched gun violence ALOT a few years ago, and many
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You are correct, but save your breath. The gun nuts that run amok on this site and other social media sites will carry their guns their grave. Gun laws in other countries have demonstrated a very quantifiable correlation between the number of guns in circulation and gun deaths. Fewer guns equal fewer deaths, it's not debatable. But people in this country just don't wanna hear it. They just want their guns And don't care how many children die
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Game Changer [2029]
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From my first breath on Earth until now
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I have had access to firearms. I have yet to kill another human being.
Is that because I have obtained obedient firearms or because I have been obedient to the rule of law?
News Flash, Walter Cronkite, criminals don’t obey laws. God’s or man’s. If all guns were to be outlawed tomorrow and all law abiding citizens gave their’s up would that actually help with homicide by guns?
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Re: I researched gun violence ALOT a few years ago, and many
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In case you haven't noticed, it's not the "gun nuts" that are committing these crimes. It's criminals and gang bangers and a small amount from mentally ill folks. The government approach to Covid should be a warning to all of us that government tyranny is not theoretical.
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Re: I researched gun violence ALOT a few years ago, and many
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Fewer "gun deaths" does not correlate to fewer deaths. It just changes manner of how people die.
If you are worried about "innocent" human beings being murdered, abortion, not guns, is the big killer. An unborn baby is not a part of the mother. It is a human being with its own separate DNA. Outlaw abortion if you want to eliminate "mass murder".
I know that is an unpopular view with the libs and lefties.
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Re: I researched gun violence ALOT a few years ago, and many
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I made this same point on another site a week or so ago and yes it was very unpopular. If these guys want to cite “facts”, here’s one for them. There are literally millions of guns out there that haven’t ever been used to kill someone (mine included) but EVERY abortion results in the death of a child. That my friend is a very linear relationship.
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Listening, but try not to ignore the other facts
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Apr 7, 2023, 10:06 PM
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in chorus with your own.
Out of curiosity, how many of those cases of gun violence were correlated to registered users and or family of said registered users?
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The problem is that it’s all over the map. It’s not just
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Apr 7, 2023, 10:40 PM
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The bangers nor the criminals who had no home training nor the mental health patient. It’s the dude riding down the street who gets cut off in traffic, loses his ####, and shoots the guy who cuts him off using a registered and lawfully attained firearm because he had a bad day and made a bad decision.
I would assume the overwhelming majority of gun homicides are perpetrated by non law abiding, non registering types. But the goal is to bring the overall level of violence down. And, as stated before, fewer guns in typical situations (like traffic) would result in less gun violence.
My son just got home from shooting pistols, rifles, and shot guns with his buddies….some arms registered, lots of others not, due to age (hand me downs) . So I guess the whole non-registered argument is kind of lost on me based on that.
I sure don’t have the answers….I just see the problem that a lot of folks just refuse to recognize as a problem. Or maybe they see it as a problem that is propagated by every reason in the book (social, emotional, race, gender, political affiliation) other than there are too many guns.
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I'm not sure you realize you bolstered by rhetorical
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question, but let's just say all guns were no longer sold to the American public. No more sales, period. Do you have a grasp on how many guns Americans already own???? More than people to shoot them at the same time.
If you mean to say the answer is rewriting the constitution, you might want to reconsider your next 20 options after that.
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I am not a proponent of not being able to buy guns. That's
Apr 8, 2023, 7:12 AM
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ludicrous...I like the fact that I can go buy one at any time.
But How about a gun buyback in any major city of your choice, be it red or blue? Would folks turn in hand guns whether they "found" them, had them in their homes unused, or just didn't want them for something like $40 each? No penalty nor questions asked. Could that work?
I am not looking at the being able to buy side, but the taking the surplus (of which there is a huge one) off the streets...
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Re: I am not a proponent of not being able to buy guns. That's
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lol have you seen the guns turned into gun buy backs?
they are mainly inoperable and/or antique relics and rust buckets that don't even work
one dude a few weeks 3d printed a bunch and made bank
i doubt VERY seriously any "gun buy back" has saved a single life - it has however ate some tax money
and made some shot callers in government feel good about themselves for "doing something"
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Re: The problem is that it’s all over the map. It’s not just
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Guns are not "registered". Only NFA items are "registered", and technically they are not even "registered", they are "tax stamped".
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Re: The problem is that it’s all over the map. It’s not just
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stop it - he's knowledgeable - he already knows this
he probably also knows that Hunter lied on his 4473 ( a felony )
they have been sneakily using 4473's like a registration though - even though it's rather unconstitutional
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Re: Listening, but try not to ignore the other facts
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Years ago, when I got my CWP, I asked the question "In SC, how many homicides had been committed by lawful CWP owners?" At that time, the answer was "none".
If the laws on the books were adhered to and prosecuted, many if not most of the homicides we see would not occur. More gun laws are not the logical answer, enforcement of those already on the books (by lots of common sense) is a much more common sense answer.
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Fax.
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Strong post.
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Someone lied to you. CWP holders commit homicide often
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It’s usually justified however. I think you meant to say there are no murders committed by CWP holders, which is also false.
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Re: Todays mass shooting on IOP
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Democrats are the problem. They commit the majority of the crimes.
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Whats worse, they promote, indulge, and encourage mental illness
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Not a recipe for LESS violent crime.
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Re: Todays mass shooting on IOP
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it's the inanimate objects fault! certainly not our crappy culture and bad parenting
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Re: Todays mass shooting on IOP
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I feel safer with mine.
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Place them in timeout, that works.Then give them a participation trophy, that’ll teach em.
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I just watched the video. That was a massive uncontrolled mob under the pier. Local law enforcement was going to increase their numbers on duty there starting this weekend for spring break. I am a back the blue person all the way but, the local PD dropped the ball on this one. It was known locally that today was senior skip day. It was a beautiful day. Where did they think the kids were going? Once the crowd started gathering under the pier, they should have been dispersed.
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Re: Todays mass shooting on IOP
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Apr 7, 2023, 9:55 PM
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Re: Todays mass shooting on IOP
Apr 7, 2023, 10:16 PM
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Things were different when I was in high school too. Unfortunately, those days are gone. What is scary is the gun(s) we’re probably in their school building yesterday.
I am a retired teacher. I have very strong opinions on school security and what changes need to be made. I also understand what it takes to control a group of students like that. All law enforcement had to do was have a presence there. The officers would not have to say a word. I have helped control mobs bigger than the one under the pier. If you let students gather like that with no control, something bad will happen. Sadly, it is usually less than a handful of students that will ruin it for the others.
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Orange Beast [6289]
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Were not we’re
Apr 7, 2023, 10:38 PM
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I hate autocorrect
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Re: Todays mass shooting on IOP
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You didn’t have the power to convene students from every school in the greater Charleston area in a matter of hours via social media. And a group of kids was almost certainly doing things that would allow the cops to disperse the crowd. Smoking, littering, non-reusable plastic of any kind, glass bottles, alcohol, and walking on dunes are all prohibited. Students from different school are heavily segregated at every high school football or basketball game I’ve been to with my kids. They are well aware this could be a powder keg. No ramping up to police the beach at spring break / summer levels today was a massive mistake.
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Re: Todays mass shooting on IOP
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Apr 7, 2023, 10:04 PM
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I feel very safe.
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Re: Todays mass shooting on IOP
Apr 7, 2023, 10:07 PM
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Where is IOP?
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Legend [6807]
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Re: Todays mass shooting on IOP
Apr 7, 2023, 10:10 PM
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Isle of Palms is just off of Mt Pleasant. Charleston area.
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Re: Todays mass shooting on IOP
Apr 7, 2023, 10:13 PM
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Thanks. Been there, just was not making the connection.
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Re: Todays mass shooting on IOP
Apr 7, 2023, 11:34 PM
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Isle of Palms - just north of Sullivan's Island/Mount Pleasant (near Charleston).
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Re: Todays mass shooting on IOP
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The fact that there are more guns is irrelevant. People/kids have had just as much unfettered access to guns as they always have. I don't care the number of guns to people, we have approximately 100 guns and you can't equate my 100 guns to 100 people. It's a flawed argument. This is nothing more than a societal problem and yes the media is apart of it. People are more angry and easily more riled up today. The media are telling minorities and the sexually mentally ill half the country hates them and are actively trying to kill them so just think what that does to those ppl that actually believe that. That issue is a more recent one though, the degradation of society has happened over the last few decades. Ppl can feel how they want but the more liberal society has become the more degenerate we have become. Proving liberalism kills societies. We have to have rules and laws. They have to be upheld. We have to have something the population believes in together which is why this country was so great bc above all else we all use to come together over the love of this country, but no more. We have nothing that holds us together. We have become more tribal and yes I blame Democrats, Liberals and Progressives for that. This free love accept everything montra only means we stand for nothing. We have to get back to God. I know some don't want to hear it but it's true. Have you ever said "I'm not going to treat my kids the way my parents treated me" bc they were to strict? Well that may be the whole issue wrapped in one sentence. If we do not change course we will fight another Civil War in this country. Maybe not in our lifetime and maybe not in our kids lifetime but WE CAN NOT CONTINUE DOWN THIS ROAD. When you have half the population applauding the indictment of Trump just bc they don't like him we're in trouble. I just pray common sense, morality and goodness of the heart resurfaces and quick.
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Re: Todays mass shooting on IOP
Apr 7, 2023, 10:49 PM
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Well said Tigeraiden
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Re: Todays mass shooting on IOP
Apr 9, 2023, 1:26 AM
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you forgot to blame the republicans for not doing their jobs as our representatives as well
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Re: Todays mass shooting on IOP
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Apr 7, 2023, 10:31 PM
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My gracious can we keep from addressing the problem. DEMOCRATS DEMOCRATS DEMOCRATS. The party of defund the police. The party of no bail. The party of fake racism. The party of socialism. The party of bullying. The party of ripping babies out of a mother's womb. The party of letting men unfairly compete against women in sports. The party of being a victim. When does it stop. They are destroying this country.
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Stop sugarcoating it and get some guts and say what it really is
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I am at IOP and it was the 13% ruining the day. If blacks want equality, act civilized and you might gain some respect and get it. I have never seen IOP overrun by thugs but it was today and you see what it produced. Sorry but facts are facts. It was a #### embarrassment. Cowardice, gun-toting thugs firing away aimlessly and luckily nobody was killed. It was a mob scene
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Apr 7, 2023, 11:21 PM
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Re: Video
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Apr 7, 2023, 11:38 PM
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It’s a sad world we live in!
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Re: Todays mass shooting on IOP
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Apr 8, 2023, 7:11 AM
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We obviously have more killers than ever before.
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Re: Todays mass shooting on IOP
Apr 8, 2023, 7:24 AM
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The fault does not lie with kids, nor with parents but with all of the old, white men that make up our worthless congress and senate
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Re: Todays mass shooting on IOP
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Apr 8, 2023, 9:14 AM
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It lies with the worthless Dems in Congress. AOC, Pelosi, Schumer.
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Re: Todays mass shooting on IOP
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Apr 8, 2023, 7:29 AM
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I am also a regular to IOP and though this irks me as well I don't blame the gun. I blame the person carrying the gun, i blame the parents that raised a bad kid, I blame society that thinks this type of behavior is ok. To end this. I have a CWP, my wife does, my neighbor does and yes I feel safer knowing I can protect myself if the need ever arises.
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Apr 8, 2023, 9:50 AM
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It’s what happens when you take a society founded on Jesus and then take away Jesus.
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Apr 8, 2023, 11:39 AM
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Yep. Founders warned that our system of government was based on Christian values and was woefully inadequate to govern in absence of those values.
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Apr 9, 2023, 10:10 PM
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Amen! They all love the creation but have forgotten the Creator.
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Re: Todays mass shooting on IOP
Apr 8, 2023, 11:54 AM
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Listen to the stupid liberals blaming this on guns. A fork makes you fat! A spoon causes obesity. Let’s not blame the moron causing the violence. So stupid.
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All in all, not a bad thread. There was actually a little debate mixed in there.***
Apr 8, 2023, 12:34 PM
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Mass shooting news tends to trigger folks
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Apr 8, 2023, 3:41 PM
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it is insightful to get into the minds of folks who are gun rights and gun control advocates.
It forces us to consider how we view the world at large, whether we feel safe in our surroundings, and how our emotions are manipulated by survival instincts. How we look to guns as the solution to these fears says a lot about our emotional states.
There’s a good deal of research behind it.
https://hiddenbrain.org/podcast/reframing-your-reality-part-1/ Reframing Your Reality: Part 1 | Hidden Brain Media We often assume that we see ourselves and the world around us accurately. But psychologist Alia Crum says that our perceptions are always filtered through our mindsets — and these mindsets shape our lives in subtle but profound ways. In the first of two episodes, Alia explains how mindsets affect our response to stress.
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Re: Mass shooting news tends to trigger folks
Apr 9, 2023, 1:41 AM
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i don't carry a gun out of "fear" liberals love that one - foreign concept to a leftist
they project their fears on others and seek policy that they believe will take it away (it won't)
i don't even fear death
but i would rather not die like a b to some criminal scumbag
or be the officer standing in a hallway like in Uvalde who "didn't want to get clapped" while kids were getting murdered - yup that happened "I don't' wanna get clapped!" hard to imagine
this is just more emotionally driven drivel
it's not a complex concept
maybe you would feel safer in a state owned apartment with a bunch of armed state employees- surely they will look out for you and you won't have to think about these "complex" subjects
heck maybe the state can convince some folks to write some more articles about how to process your emotional state and cope with your new reality - of course if they can't get you onboard, they can just imprison you - or cut you off and throw you out in the street
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Re: Todays mass shooting on IOP
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Apr 8, 2023, 3:43 PM
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This is not a #### gun problem , it’s a mental health and ppl problem I don’t understand why this is so hard for some
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Apr 8, 2023, 4:52 PM
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Because it's easier to blame the gun instead of the society and government that created todays kids
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Game Changer [1948]
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Re: Todays mass shooting on IOP
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Apr 8, 2023, 5:41 PM
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You are 100% correct
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Blaming the gun is an intentional tactic of the left. They want to disarm us and then control us. Far too many weak minded people fall right into their scheme.
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Blaming the gun is an intentional tactic of the left. They want to disarm us and then control us. Far too many weak minded people fall right into their scheme.
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Re: Todays mass shooting on IOP
Apr 9, 2023, 12:47 AM
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You're right if weak minded means foolish.
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Re: Todays mass shooting on IOP
Apr 9, 2023, 4:55 PM
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I don't express my view on the 2nd Amendment very often, but here goes. What was the purpose of a well regulated militia when the Constitution was written? State militias were never used to insure that Congress did the will of the people, but they were used extensively to fight the BRITISH. As an example, read about the Swamp Fox. As for today, even though we don't have real militias, what we do have is a majority of citizens that are armed. How many of our current adversaries are willing to fight a 2 million man Army then have to fight 100 million armed citizens? Think a little deeper about this before you answer.
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Re: Todays mass shooting on IOP
Apr 9, 2023, 6:26 PM
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The problem is not the guns. We have more idiots than ever before. I feel much safer with my gun on me. Guns don't just shoot people by themselves. The problem is that no one does anything about the idiots that use them maliciously. Maybe if these demonrat shitbags would start charging criminals instead of setting them free it might be a little different.
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