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Heisman Winner [86741]
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Obama failing the leadership test, good read here:
Jan 2, 2013, 1:06 PM
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Opinion Writer Obama’s leadership failure
Robert J. Samuelson, Jan 01, 2013 01:29 AM EST
The “fiscal cliff” is a massive failure of presidential leadership. The tedious and technical negotiations are but a subplot in a larger drama. Government can no longer fulfill all the promises it has made to various constituencies. Some promises will be reduced or disavowed. Which ones? Why? Only the president can pose these questions in a way that starts a national conversation over the choices to be made, but doing so requires the president to tell people things they don’t want to hear. That’s his job: to help Americans face unavoidable, if unpleasant, realities. Barack Obama has refused to play this role.
Instead, he has cast the long-term budget problem as a question of whether the richest 1 percent or 2 percent of the population should pay more in taxes. Not only that, but he has insisted that the higher taxes be paid by raising rates, as opposed to reducing various tax breaks (deductions, exemptions, preferential rates) enjoyed heavily by upscale Americans. The obsession with rates is bad policy (higher rates may threaten risk-taking, work effort and hiring) but qualifies as good politics: It signals Obama is macho; he’s tough on the rich, who are implicitly blamed for the nation’s budget and economic woes.
Whatever one thinks about raising taxes at the top (and I have no objection to it as part of comprehensive budget package), it’s not the crux of the problem. The crux of our problem — the problem being the bipartisan and untenable promises made to most Americans of both high government benefits and low taxes — arises from an aging population and high health costs, which cause rapid increases in spending on Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. Let me repeat some statistics I’ve often cited. In 2012, Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid accounted for 44?percent of non-interest federal spending. As for taxes, the richest 5 percent paid almost 40?percent of federal taxes in 2009 (and within that, the richest 1 percent paid 22?percent of taxes).
The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office puts it this way:
“With the population aging and health care costs per person likely to keep growing faster than the economy [gross domestic product], the United States cannot sustain the federal spending programs that are now in place with the federal taxes (as a share of GDP) that it has been accustomed to paying.”
Until Obama conspicuously and consistently acknowledges these realities in straightforward and unmistakable language — something he hasn’t done and shows no signs of doing — he cannot be said to be dealing honestly with the budget or with the American people. The main reason that we keep having these destructive and inconclusive budget confrontations is not simply that many Republicans have been intransigent on taxes. The larger cause is that Obama refuses to concede that Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are driving future spending and deficits. So when Republicans make concessions on taxes (as they have), they get little in return. Naturally, this poisons the negotiating climate.
Of course, Obama would offend many Democrats if he entertained benefit cuts in Social Security and Medicare: higher eligibility ages, higher premiums for affluent elderly, structural changes in the health-care system to reduce costs. Just as many Republicans don’t want taxes raised a penny, many Democrats don’t want benefits cut a penny. Consider the highly technical proposal to shift from the standard consumer price index (CPI) to a “chained” CPI to adjust Social Security benefits. From 2013 to 2022, this change is estimated to reduce Social Security spending by $100 billion. Over that decade, total Social Security benefits are estimated at $10.588 trillion; the cut would be less than 1 percent. Yet, many Democrats reacted in horror, as if hordes of elderly would be impoverished.
Unfortunately, much of the media have accepted the Obama narrative that it’s only Republican rigidity that frustrates negotiations and leads to deadlock. This means, of course, that there’s even less incentive for Obama and congressional Democrats to engage in genuine bargaining.
The result is that we’re not getting the debate we deserve and that budget choices are being made mainly by default. Just as important, the periodic, ugly confrontations over budget policy — the paralysis and bitterness they involve — corrode confidence and weaken the economy. A weak economy creates few new jobs, and the lack of jobs is the nation’s No. 1 social problem. Obama’s abdication of responsibility may be in his political self-interest, but it is profoundly hostile to the national interest.
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All-TigerNet [12269]
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Re: Obama failing the leadership test, good read here:
Jan 2, 2013, 2:27 PM
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How about his already calling for more tax increases on high earners? Is he joking?
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I don't really care but if he does call for that, he needs
Jan 2, 2013, 3:11 PM
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to also call for about 5 times that in medicare/medicaid cuts.
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Re: Obama failing the leadership test, good read here:
Jan 2, 2013, 3:16 PM
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Passing marks all around from the majority who re-elected him by a comfortable margin. Yours is a loser's lament. We have a much better person waiting in the wings. I post this knowing that the P&R Pubs. are all on your side. Regards.
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Don't you mean "fainting" in the wings!? HAA!***
Jan 2, 2013, 3:35 PM
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Re: Don't you mean "fainting" in the wings!? HAA!***
Jan 2, 2013, 6:29 PM
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You will faint in 2016. Losers are like that.
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Heisman Winner [86741]
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Re: I'm just saying why not drop the politics at this point and
Jan 2, 2013, 6:27 PM
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The CIC has professional advisors, he certainly doesn't depend on P&R Pubs. foe important deciaions.
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lulz joeg is a p&r pub***
Jan 2, 2013, 9:54 PM
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Re: I'm just saying why not drop the politics at this point and
Jan 2, 2013, 7:17 PM
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Do you expect a real dialogue with this guy? I am glad you see that the tax increase was just silly class warfare and no real attempt tomdeal with fiscal problems.
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Orange Blooded [2282]
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Re: I'm just saying why not drop the politics at this point and
Jan 2, 2013, 7:46 PM
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Nice to know $2.1 trillion(1/8 of the current deficit) lost due to those tax breaks over the eight years of Bush(not counting the four years of Obama) in the budget(Congressional Budget Office estimate) and the interest we're paying on the money out our taxes was just"silly class warfare" in your mind.
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Just so I'm getting this straight..are you saying that
Jan 2, 2013, 8:11 PM
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tax breaks cause a higher deficit?
What about my paycheck brings you to believe that the government is entitled to all of it?
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Orange Blooded [2282]
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Re: Just so I'm getting this straight..are you saying that
Jan 3, 2013, 4:13 PM
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Let me get this straight, are you a millionaire? If you are, how can you justify paying 15-18% of your earnings to taxes like Romney, while middle class workers like me are paying 33%+to our taxes?
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Since you believe capital gains are the same as income
Jan 3, 2013, 4:17 PM
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if you buy your house for $100,000 and sell in 20 years later for $130,000. Do you think the Government is entitled to $10,000 on the $30,000 you made?
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Orange Blooded [2282]
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Re: Since you believe capital gains are the same as income
Jan 4, 2013, 6:48 AM
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Let me get this straight, you believe that a worker who earns $30000 a year by putting in 40 hours a week in physical labor and by the sweat of his brow should pay $10000+ in taxes while a rich guy who invests money, in Romney's case like many others inherited, and makes $30000 on one deal(probably in a fraction of 20 years) should pay $4500 to $6400 on the same amount of money earned. Congrats you just proved my point.
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All-TigerNet [12066]
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You pay $10k on $30k of income?
Jan 4, 2013, 10:25 AM
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You're doing it wrong
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Orange Blooded [2282]
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Re: You pay $10k on $30k of income?
Jan 4, 2013, 11:13 AM
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Actually no, the Federal tax rate on someone making $30000 a year would be $7800, but the capital gains taxes on $30000 profit would currently be $4500 to $5400, so we were both simplifying things with our statements.
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Varsity [101]
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What does this have to do with tax cuts?
Jan 4, 2013, 9:58 AM
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You state tax cuts caused a debt / deficit.
Thats kind of like saying you saved mnoney by buying something on sale. How much would you haved save if you hadn't bought it at all?
How much would our debt be if we stopped spending so much?
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Orange Blooded [2282]
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Re: What does this have to do with tax cuts?
Jan 4, 2013, 11:21 PM
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I state that the tax cuts added $2.1 trillion+ to the debt and deficit (which is conservatively one/eighth of the deficit) without any benefit to anyone except the wealthiest segment of our society who are hurt LEAST by this deficit, and that the deficit wasn't built in a day or even Obama's administration, a large portion of it was already there when Bush left. And quite honestly how much debt would be left if you max out all your credit cards then decide to stop spending? That's right, the debt already on those credit cards.
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You're really missing the point, junior.
Jan 4, 2013, 11:26 PM
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Somehow you've equated the debt with how much we are taxed. It has nothing to do with what is taken from us; its the unsustainable spending that's causing it.
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The math isn't quite that simple now is it...
Jan 2, 2013, 8:30 PM
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you're discounting the economic stimulus impact of the tax cuts. Just taking the same GDP and applying a higher rate after the fact is silly.
Federal income tax revenues went up after the tax cuts were accelerated in 2003.
Rate went down...revenue went up. How do you account for that in your simple world of higher rate equating to more revenue?
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Orange Blooded [2282]
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Re: The math isn't quite that simple now is it...
Jan 3, 2013, 4:37 PM
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Would you like to tell me that again? According to the Office of Budget and Management of the Federal Government, tax revenue in in 2001 was $1,991.1 billion, in June 2001 Bush signed the tax cuts into law. In 2002 tax revenue dropped to $1,853.1 billion. In 2003, Bush gave 2 more tax cuts and revenue dropped to $1,782.3 billion, that is about a 10-PERCENT DROP from 2001. Further, according to the US Census bureau MEDIAN income for Middle and lower class families was lower in 2007 than 2000, the opposite being true for the upper scale pay group. And the number still stands at $2,141 billion as lost revenue in taxes for those eight years, not counting the four years of Obama and that still is ONE-EIGHTH+ of our current deficit.
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