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The devil is in the details. ESPN releases information.
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Jan 31, 2025, 8:23 AM
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ESPN said something as fact: They have extended the TV contract through 2036.
ESPN says that there are negotiations going on. That's where the devil comes in. There is no settlement. FSU and Clemson haven't formally agreed to anything. ACC hasn't agreed to anything. ESPN is saying that the negotiations involve
1. Increased revenue for FSU and Clemson. How much? 2 million per year or 30 million per year?
2. Decreased cost to leave conference after 2031? How much of a decrease? GOR or Exit fee or both?
But, the important thing is the story that has been released by ESPN. The information is meant to make "E-SPIN" look like the knight in shining armor.
I've decided nothing has changed. Until Neff and Alford (FSU AD) say something, the ESPN announcement made virtually no difference in terms of where we stand today in terms of getting out of the conference, with this caveat.
1. It may indicate the probability of FSU and Clemson leaving ACC in 2027 is less than I would like.
2. It may indicate the probability of FSU and Clemson leaving ACC in 2031 almost a certainty.
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I suspect the final model of the NCAA playoff won't be in effect until...
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Jan 31, 2025, 8:33 AM
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2031.
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Re: The devil is in the details. ESPN releases information.
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Jan 31, 2025, 8:43 AM
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And 6 years is an eternity in college sports nowadays. I'm actually more excited about the bill introduced by Ted Cruz than I am about this. That too is probably devil in the details, but at least it sounds like some equally across all teams.
As someone pointed out in the T-Net article threads, we've been making less than the big 2 in tv money for years and still two of us were able to compete nationally. So imo, it's still nil and transfers that hurt us financially. And that's been pointed out that Clemson and FSU’s nil are top 10...
I posted in another thread, given that it sounds like from other posts, it's not a financial problem. I tend to agree. It's the Jimmy and Joe's. Both teams recruiting has gone down the last 4 years... and that's in bball and baseball. So what's the real problem? Coaching? Perception?
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Re: The devil is in the details. ESPN releases information.
Jan 31, 2025, 11:38 AM
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I agree that NIL remains as the biggest threat to being able to get to the top of the food chain.
That said, getting as much money as possible (ideally close to that of what the typical B1G / SEC school gets) will position us to get in the ring for a CFP game or three on occassions.
If we get to play a game, then there’s a chance we win that game.
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Re: The devil is in the details. ESPN releases information.
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Jan 31, 2025, 8:45 AM
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Honestly think the ACC and ESPN are waiting to see what UNC does. They have a brand new product to sell in Belichick. Whether he succeeds or falls flat on his face, it's a story that sells.
Given that, should UNC remain in the ACC (some indications are that they won't) it makes their games with FSU and Clemson that much more marketable. Should UNC leave for the SEC, all of a sudden the ACC isn't the money maker they would have been if they stayed.
All of that may be short term. If Belichick gets an offer to return to the NFL, that would leave ESPN, the ACC and UNC hanging.
And why all this concern over UNC? I've been around a long time. And I am still of the belief that this conference continues to be run at the behest of the state of North Carolina. At the end of the day, decisions are made in their interest and anyone else can come along for the ride.
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UNC importance is decreasing by the day
Jan 31, 2025, 9:18 AM
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if they don't get their basketball house in order, no one will care what UNC does or doesn't do.
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Yeah this announcement from the ACC means nothing it was always gonna happen
Jan 31, 2025, 9:59 AM
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ESPN has the unilateral right to extend this contract 100% on their own authority. It’s wildly skewed in ESPN’s favor and they’re getting an enormous discount on our rights; so, there was never any doubt that they were gonna pick up this contract.
This is 100% to ESPN’s benefit and no on else’s so the ACC needs to hush its noise
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Re: Yeah this announcement from the ACC means nothing it was always gonna happen
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Jan 31, 2025, 11:59 AM
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They aren't getting a discount on the rights. The ACC's rights simply aren't as valuable as the SEC's or Big Ten's.
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Re: The devil is in the details. ESPN releases information.
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Jan 31, 2025, 10:01 AM
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I felt like yesterday's announcement was like a kick in the teeth. I was hoping that ESPN wouldn't pick up the contract, but they did. I had heard from some very unreliable sources that both FSU and Clemson were leaving the ACC. This only seems prove otherwise. I understand Clemson hasn't made an official announcement, but I don't see us leaving anytime soon. The GOR will go down as the worst contract ever. We need out of this conference and we need out now!
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Re: The devil is in the details. ESPN releases information.
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Jan 31, 2025, 10:06 AM
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Sorry but I am not following. How does yesterday's option exercise by ESPN change anything at all with respect to us staying or not staying in the conference? The option was always going to be exercised.
We may or may not be leaving the ACC before the GOR is up based on the lawsuits but yesterday's move by ESPN had zero impact on it.
Now the revenue share agreement being rumored might affect our timing of exiting but that's up to the ACC Commish and Univ Presidents. ESPN nor their TV option has anything to do with that.
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Re: The devil is in the details. ESPN releases information.
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Jan 31, 2025, 10:24 AM
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Had ESPN chose not to continue with the TV deal, it would have definitely given more leverage to Clemson and FSU as the conference wouldn't have a TV deal beyond this coming season. I understand there hasn't been any sort of settlement officially, however this announcement by ESPN doesn't help Clemson or FSU in anyway.
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Jan 31, 2025, 12:04 PM
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The way it affects Clemson and Florida State leaving is that it doesn't give them as much leverage in their lawsuit against the acc. For example, had the option not been exercised, then the TV contract would be over, in Clemson and Florida State would have a stronger argument to get out of the remaining
years of the grant of rights.
Plus, it's been reported that due to ESPN picking up the option, that Clemson and Florida State are now considering dropping the lawsuits.
Honestly, you're just kind of really grasping at straws if you think the Clemson and Florida State are going to be getting out of the acc.
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Re: The devil is in the details. ESPN releases information.
Jan 31, 2025, 10:21 AM
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Maybe you are a coot?
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Based on what I've heard and been told...
Jan 31, 2025, 10:24 AM
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unless the increased revenue amount significantly closes the gap that exists with the B1G and the SEC, and the cost to exit the conference after 2031 (both the GOR and the exit fee), aren't both decreased substantially, the likelihood of a negotiated settlement is remote (as it should be IMO).
I've also heard that the ACC wants a confidentiality provision in the settlement agreement so the terms of any such settlement cannot be disclosed. Is sounds like the league is afraid of the fallout and what other schools might then demand. Of course, most of the other schools don't have the leverage that FSU and Clemson both have.
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I'm fine with a Confidentiality Agreement if we are getting the other two items!***
Jan 31, 2025, 10:31 AM
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Re: The devil is in the details. ESPN releases information.
Jan 31, 2025, 10:45 AM
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That's not actually correct though. The option for ESPN has been exercised and they officially have the contract extended through 2036.
The additional revenue for Clemson and Florida State and the reduction of the exit penalties are just internal matters between the ACC and the schools. That doesn't have anything to do with the espn. The only part on ESPN's side is extending the contract, which they did.
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Re: The devil is in the details. ESPN releases information.
Jan 31, 2025, 11:13 AM
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I'm waiting for the announcement on the timing of the ACC-ESPN-FSU-Clemson event where they all sing "Kum-Ba-Yah" together. Any details on that?
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Re: The devil is in the details. ESPN releases information.
Jan 31, 2025, 12:11 PM
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I really believe a bigger reorganization of college football will take place prior to 2031, potentially rendering that a moot point.
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