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Re: The BOT had been exploring Clemson's media rights for a year before the lawsuit
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Mar 27, 2024, 1:05 PM
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Just maybe the university owns the media rights? At least that is what the Supreme Court said in 1984 (UGA and OK verses NCAA). The ruling, in favor of UGA and OK was 7 - 2, and based on NCAA anti-trust violation. If Clemson gets a better deal, can the university accept the new deal without penalty?
I will be having a discussion with a NYC Business and Contract attorney in early June to see what his opinion is.
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Re: The BOT had been exploring Clemson's media rights for a year before the lawsuit
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Mar 27, 2024, 1:22 PM
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No the Supreme Court case from 1984 is not applicable here. That was an antitrust case. A grain of Rights agreement is not going to be antitrust. This is just a dispute cause one party doesn't like how the contract is turned out years after the fact. So basically no Clemson can't get out of the rights without the penalty. I mean people are just engaging in a lot of wishful thinking on this topic.
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Orange Blooded [2528]
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Re: The BOT had been exploring Clemson's media rights for a year before the lawsuit
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Mar 27, 2024, 2:58 PM
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No the Supreme Court case from 1984 is not applicable here. That was an antitrust case. A grain of Rights agreement is not going to be antitrust. This is just a dispute cause one party doesn't like how the contract is turned out years after the fact. So basically no Clemson can't get out of the rights without the penalty. I mean people are just engaging in a lot of wishful thinking on this topic.
I'll go with university lawyers instead of you
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Re: The BOT had been exploring Clemson's media rights for a year before the lawsuit
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Mar 27, 2024, 3:13 PM
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Yeah, tdq seems scared **it less of leaving the ACC. Change is needed.
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Rival Killer [2894]
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Re: The BOT had been exploring Clemson's media rights for a year before the lawsuit
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Mar 27, 2024, 6:12 PM
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Evidently tdq is a lawyer, because everyone is wrong except for him. What he don’t realize is, these lawsuits will be settled, thus we will NOT be waiting on a judge’s decision. Wonder if he will admit being wrong? Probably not, will come up with some lame assss excuse…lol
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Re: The BOT had been exploring Clemson's media rights for a year before the lawsuit
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Mar 27, 2024, 7:22 PM
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He’s not, he just stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.
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Re: The BOT had been exploring Clemson's media rights for a year before the lawsuit
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Mar 27, 2024, 9:22 PM
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What part of this case won’t see a judge do you not understand. He won’t be making this ruling. It will end in settlement.
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Paw Warrior [4968]
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Re: The BOT had been exploring Clemson's media rights for a year before the lawsuit
Mar 27, 2024, 3:40 PM
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You cannot assure that.
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Re: The BOT had been exploring Clemson's media rights for a year before the lawsuit
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Mar 27, 2024, 4:23 PM
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Don't have a dog in this argument ... but actually he can assure that. He can't ensure it, but he can assure it.
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Paw Warrior [4968]
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Re: The BOT had been exploring Clemson's media rights for a year before the lawsuit
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Mar 27, 2024, 6:35 PM
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exactly 1993.
But I will make friendly wagers...
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Paw Warrior [4968]
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Re: The BOT had been exploring Clemson's media rights for a year before the lawsuit
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Mar 27, 2024, 4:42 PM
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Says the guy who refers to it as a "grain of rights"
But seriously, I don't think Clemson or FSU believes they will get out of the contract with no penalty but they are trying to force the ACC into negotiations to avoid a nasty court battle that will include a bunch of discovery
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Paw Warrior [4968]
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CLEM has been looking into this far longer......
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Mar 27, 2024, 3:22 PM
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Everything has been vetted & analyzed---for years.
I wouldn't put to much focus on the lawsuit.......
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Re: CLEM has been looking into this far longer......
Mar 27, 2024, 3:41 PM
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Sure. And not a peep from Clemson on all these years until just now.
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Re: CLEM has been looking into this far longer......
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Mar 27, 2024, 3:50 PM
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BS argument. Until the last two years the ACC agreement with ESPN was equitable and in line with other conferences. With the astronomical differences in payout and the ever changing landscape of college sports the current agreement no longer is competitive. Clemson's filing is for clarification on the grant of rights is Clemson leaves the ACC and the punitive buyout.
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Re: CLEM has been looking into this far longer......
Mar 27, 2024, 4:01 PM
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What do you think would be a fair and not punitive buyout?
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Re: CLEM has been looking into this far longer......
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Mar 27, 2024, 7:38 PM
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Hard to say but I believe the buyout should be in the $25 to $50 million range. I also believe with all the clarifications of the GoR asked for, Clemson is trying to force the ACC to put an actual value on Clemson's media rights through 2036 and take the appropriate actions from there.
Next, will ESecPN renew the TV contract with the ACC in 2027? I know the ACC is cheap compared to the SEC but what ACC value there is, is being driven by a handful of schools. The question is whether ESecPN can make more money if the top ACC schools move to the SEC? (This is where it gets tricky for the ACC to value Clemson publicly). If ESecPN can make more money with Clemson, UNC, FSU and one other school in the SEC, then, bye, bye ACCN.
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Paw Warrior [4968]
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Re: CLEM has been looking into this far longer......
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Mar 27, 2024, 6:36 PM
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Believe what you want...its been out there....maybe you haven't looked. Its been discussed on here a bit over past two years...maybe you weren't paying attention...(no offense). CLEM and FSU have been on this FOR YEARS....
Or maybe others know more.......
Whatever way it happens....Clemson aint in ACC come 2036
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Re: The BOT had been exploring Clemson's media rights for a year before the lawsuit
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Mar 27, 2024, 3:26 PM
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Why would ESPN pay pay more for Clemson in the SEC when they can get Clemson et al for less in the ACC.
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Re: The BOT had been exploring Clemson's media rights for a year before the lawsuit
Mar 27, 2024, 3:51 PM
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Because Clemson and FSU drive the conference. They could move both to the SEC and pay them more and not renew the ACC contract and save a ton.
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Re: The BOT had been exploring Clemson's media rights for a year before the lawsuit
Mar 27, 2024, 4:00 PM
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lol. ok. then why isn't espn going along with your scheme?
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All-TigerNet [12943]
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let's see what ESPN does with the renewing of the ACC contract..
Mar 27, 2024, 4:10 PM
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then you'll know
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Re: let's see what ESPN does with the renewing of the ACC contract..
Mar 27, 2024, 4:13 PM
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Thats kinda my point. Thats 3 to 10 years away.
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Fox Sports and B1G are the key
Mar 27, 2024, 7:19 PM
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They can buy out desired ACC universities/programs and force Disney/ESPN/SEC to match their offer or disappear.
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All-American [554]
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Re: Fox Sports and B1G are the key
Mar 27, 2024, 8:12 PM
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They weren't able to do that for Oregon and UWashington. Those two won't be making much more than Clemson in the ACC if that.
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Re: The BOT had been exploring Clemson's media rights for a year before the lawsuit
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Mar 27, 2024, 4:35 PM
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Clemson will be a member of the Big 10 2027.
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Orange Blooded [2280]
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Re: The BOT had been exploring Clemson's media rights for a year before the lawsuit
Mar 27, 2024, 5:03 PM
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Not sure how that is "interesting". They are just performing their fiduciary duties as board members. Of course they allocated time to review these items. That is a baseline function of their jobs.
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