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TO REALLY DRIVE THE POINT HOME REGARDING THE FUTILITY OF BUYING PLAYERS
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Tiger Spirit [10091]
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TO REALLY DRIVE THE POINT HOME REGARDING THE FUTILITY OF BUYING PLAYERS
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Jul 23, 2024, 7:23 AM
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https://www.on3.com/transfer-portal/team-rankings/football/2023/
Colorado recruited 50 players from the portal to include some highly touted players. They spent more than $8 million on NIL adjustments only to win 4 games on the season. I sure wished Dabo could accomplish that... Said nobody ever.
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Clemson Conqueror [11932]
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Re: The #1 and#6 teams the next year played in the ACC championship game
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Jul 23, 2024, 7:33 AM
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That doesn’t fit their narrative though
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Tiger Spirit [10091]
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Re: The #1 and#6 teams the next year played in the ACC championship game
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Jul 23, 2024, 7:34 AM
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We have a few good players. We have 85 good players that are being developed. FSU will lose to Clemson this season. They are loaded with portal players. UGA may lose to Clemson this season...
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Clemson Conqueror [11932]
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Re: The #1 and#6 teams the next year played in the ACC championship game
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Jul 23, 2024, 8:11 AM
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We need upgrades at certain spots and Dabo himself knows that; why else did he unsuccessful go after a handful of players in the portal? The narrative this year that we don't need portal players only started after we didn't get the guys we wanted.
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Mascot [21]
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Re: The #1 and#6 teams the next year played in the ACC championship game
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Jul 23, 2024, 8:18 AM
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We've got great players with great coaches in a great program playing at a great place. If we can hold onto the ball and not cough it up like a cat with a hairball, we will be just fine. Go Tigers!!
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Clemson Conqueror [11932]
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So why did Dabo pursue several OL in the portal?***
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Jul 23, 2024, 9:20 AM
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Letterman [163]
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Re: The #1 and#6 teams the next year played in the ACC championship game
Jul 26, 2024, 4:56 PM
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We need upgrades at certain spots and Dabo himself knows that; why else did he unsuccessful go after a handful of players in the portal? The narrative this year that we don't need portal players only started after we didn't get the guys we wanted.
Do you know which position we. went after and didn't get?
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Clemson Conqueror [11848]
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Re: The #1 and#6 teams the next year played in the ACC championship game
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Jul 23, 2024, 9:26 AM
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Yeah, because I remember about a dozen dropped snaps on field goals an d extra points ...... and we all know that those positions are not important!
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Paw Warrior [4754]
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Re: The #1 and#6 teams the next year played in the ACC championship game
Jul 23, 2024, 9:41 AM
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You’d have to go way back to find a dozen bad snaps on FGs and extra points. Using that logic, the pros have never had a dropped snap?
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CU Medallion [18975]
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How about ZERO then. That's the number of FG snaps a Swinney kid has
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Jul 23, 2024, 11:12 AM
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flubbed over their collective tenure here.
This is the same "5-Heart" scholarship quacking that was going on in Dabo's early days right before he blew the wheels off the sport with our historic run. Tired, petty, and wrong.
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Clemson Conqueror [11848]
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Re: How about ZERO then. That's the number of FG snaps a Swinney kid has
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Jul 23, 2024, 3:49 PM
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Yep zero ..... and people chirping about nepotism. I'm not even sure that any of them were on scholarship. If they were ..... good for them.
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CU Guru [1574]
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Re: How about ZERO then. That's the number of FG snaps a Swinney kid has
Jul 26, 2024, 6:34 AM
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The team collectively votes on 1 scholarship per year that gets awarded, not the coaches. Drew won that scholarship due to his work as holder, punt returner and occasional wide out.
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Clemson Conqueror [11403]
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Starter [298]
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Re: 30-40% of those "85 good players" you speak of transfer out each year***
Jul 23, 2024, 11:38 AM
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UH, 30 TO 40%?, You must be talking about Coot U. 14% of our palyers went into the
portal. Most for playing time. That will happen. All the exageration and hand wringing
won't change the fact. Dabo would rather develop players then buy them. I agree a
replacement here and there would be welcome. He has tried and will continue to, but as he
says they got to want us too.
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Clemson Conqueror [11403]
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Re: 30-40% of those "85 good players" you speak of transfer out each year***
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Jul 23, 2024, 12:29 PM
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re-word clarification: 30-40% of a recruiting class "developed players" are transfering out each year.
we've averaged 8-11 transfers out each year...........when you ratio that with a typical 21-23 person recruiting class that's in the 30-40% range.
over a 4 year period that adds up when you're not replacing w/ others from portal and depending on HS players to fill the void.
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Clemson Conqueror [11932]
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What portion of those 30 - 40 percentage were encouraged to enter the portal?
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Jul 23, 2024, 1:13 PM
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Other elite teams are using the portal to cycle out guys that aren't as good as they thought they would be and then bring in proven players from other schools.
I'm an NOT advocating that Dabo use the portal to run guts off but the truth is other schools are doing it and its and advantage.
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Tiger Titan [47436]
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Our staff does this too.
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Jul 23, 2024, 6:59 PM
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They might not threaten to pull their scholarship, but they absolutely tell guys that they aren’t a good fit and strongly encourage them to leave.
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Re: 30-40% of those "85 good players" you speak of transfer out each year***
Jul 23, 2024, 3:16 PM
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Amazing how someone can use numbers for a completely absurd narrative. It is and I state
not 30 to 40% of any one recruiting calss leaving, and not even close to that number for scholarship
players. Try some reality before bashing Dabo and his way of doing things.
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Rival Killer [2906]
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We lost 12 since the bowl game.
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Jul 23, 2024, 5:39 PM
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Multiply that by a 4 year average, and that's 48, plus the ones who graduate or that leave early for the pros.
You can quibble about oe
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Rival Killer [2906]
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You can quibble about exact numbers
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Jul 23, 2024, 5:41 PM
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But the bottom line is that we have to replace an extra 10% or more of our roster every year plus normal attrition.
They get replaced with freshmen or walk ons, who are generally not "developed".
Then our rivals take advantage of our development when they get out transfers.
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Tiger Titan [47436]
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Yes, and that leaves us as always being a young team.
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Jul 23, 2024, 7:03 PM
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And young teams make more mistakes, such as fumbles, interceptions, missed tackles, etc.
We weren’t “snakebit” last year, we were young. We will be young again this year.
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Tiger Titan [47436]
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Yes, and that leaves us as always being a young team.
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Jul 23, 2024, 7:03 PM
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And young teams make more mistakes, such as fumbles, interceptions, missed tackles, etc.
We weren’t “snakebit” last year, we were young. We will be young again this year.
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Dynasty Maker [3495]
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Re: Yes, and that leaves us as always being a young team.
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Jul 23, 2024, 7:22 PM
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Almost all the fumbles came from veteran RBs and some from a first year QB.
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Tiger Titan [47436]
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Right, the problem wasnt just youth it was also poor coaching.***
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Jul 23, 2024, 7:38 PM
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Tiger Spirit [10091]
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Re: NOT enough....NO ONE
Jul 23, 2024, 7:20 PM
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Dabo will do it whenever we need to. He's already said it. The point that everyone is missing is that we do not need the portal right now nor have we yet.
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Clemson Conqueror [11403]
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you can blindly follow Dabo and his statements all you want....OR.....
Jul 24, 2024, 8:29 AM
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you can use common sense (if you have any) and your eyes (if you can see) to realize that since the the PORTAL opened at the END of 2018 along with NIL becoming more prevelant the last several years our program/results on field have had a large dropoff/downturn.
-our talent is nowhere NEAR what it was
-other teams/programs that we are FAR superior than have closed the gap largely due to the portal upgrades utilized for THEIR team.
NOBODY on this website has EVER said we need to portal in Colorado fashion......EVER. So what you say is completely false. However at the very least supplementing through the portal should help shore up several of the issues that have plagued our program over the last several years. Also realize that PORTAL/NIL is not the only answer either. Notice I said "SEVERAL" issues........coaching issues also need to be rectified. Contrary to what you and many others think not EVERYTHING Dabo touches turns to Gold........not in this era of CFB anyway.
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Tiger Titan [47436]
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Youre right, we dont need the portal
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Jul 26, 2024, 12:09 AM
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if we are happy being a “young team” every year because we lose players to the portal but don’t replace them with experienced players.
But if we want to be the best we can be, and therefore be an elite program once again, contending for national championships, then we absolutely need to use the portal.
This is not complicated.
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Orange Phenom [14792]
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Tiger Titan [47436]
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How does the team view it when Cade gets several NIL deals and they dont?
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Jul 23, 2024, 7:05 PM
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Your same logic applies there.
Hopefully our great culture and family atmosphere can withstand it.
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Orange Phenom [14792]
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Great example...
Jul 24, 2024, 12:13 AM
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we got out and get a QB that's going to become a starter over Cade.
Tell me, how will that go.
It's one thing when all the players here come in and are told what the plan is. That all changes once Dabo reverses course.
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Tiger Titan [47436]
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They quadrupled their win total from the previous year.
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Jul 23, 2024, 8:16 AM
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Many experts didn’t think they would win more than 1-2 games.
You left that out.
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Tiger Spirit [10091]
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Re: They quadrupled their win total from the previous year.
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Jul 23, 2024, 9:22 AM
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At a cost of $8.8M hardly worth it... My guess is that they won't do much better... For three seasons now, the majority of the nation has been drafting players from the portal at a steep cost. I'm willing to bet that they won't make the playoff. Clemson may make the playoff, Bama may make the playoff, and UGA may as well. They don't pull from the portal to build a roster. The players that transferred out of Clemson to play elsewhere were going to be replaced on the depth chart anyway.
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Rival Killer [2906]
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Colorado thinks Devin and his methods are worth it.
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Jul 23, 2024, 4:25 PM
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Year 1 of what is anticipated to be a 4 or 5 year road back..
400% win percentage in Year 1. More media attention than pretty much any other program.
Sold out their spring game last year.
Reports of the Buffs' demise are greatly exaggerated.
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Orange Phenom [14792]
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Rival Killer [2906]
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It's an investment in their future.
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Jul 24, 2024, 7:54 AM
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Look around. Colorado is getting more positive talk than is Clemson. That's shocking, and it's deserved...sadly.
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Re: TO REALLY DRIVE THE POINT HOME REGARDING THE FUTILITY OF BUYING PLAYERS
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Colorado spent zero on NIL. No university or college even has NIL dollars. It’s against ncaa rules. NIL can’t be facilitated by universities. Changes in august allow recommendations and setting up meetings. NIL is endorsement deals facilitated by third party collectives. No college paid any player.
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Hall of Famer [8989]
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Yeah, right.***
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Jul 23, 2024, 8:35 AM
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Re: TO REALLY DRIVE THE POINT HOME REGARDING THE FUTILITY OF BUYING PLAYERS
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Jul 23, 2024, 9:01 AM
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You splittin’ hairs there dude. Not a good look for you. Everyone on this board knows what he means. 3rd parties act as proxies to the schools with athletics being the common denominator. How do you say that this or that program was “better than they would have been” without their portal players. Maybe Michigan? And where are they now after Hairball bought the Natty then left for another (likely unsuccessful) NFL stent ?
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Re: TO REALLY DRIVE THE POINT HOME REGARDING THE FUTILITY OF BUYING PLAYERS
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Jul 23, 2024, 8:52 AM
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I don't think you build an entire program around the portal, which is what Colorado is trying to do, but adding a few in areas of need each season is an entirely different strategy. However I can't blame Dabo for utilizing our obviously not unlimited resources to retain our current high achievers instead of chasing the next big thing. Ideally we could do both but I don't think we can afford it.
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Tiger Spirit [10091]
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Re: TO REALLY DRIVE THE POINT HOME REGARDING THE FUTILITY OF BUYING PLAYERS
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Jul 23, 2024, 9:24 AM
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Dabo fixed the O-Line and WR issues by hiring MATT LUKE. With a better O-Line, Cade will have more time to make better decisions and RB lanes will open up. This takes the pressure off of the passing game and allows for the Clemson offense to do what they do best which is create a pick your own poison scenario against opposing defenses.
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Rival Killer [2906]
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That ignores reality.
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Jul 23, 2024, 10:13 AM
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Colorado increased their win percentage by 400% in only one season.
Meanwhile, every FBS conference champ used the portal.
Facts.
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Tiger Titan [47436]
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Facts dont matter when the portal is straw manned to be evil and immoral.***
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Orange Blooded [2483]
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Re: That ignores reality.
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Colorado went from one win to four wins. It is disingenuous to say '400% improvement'. There is not much difference between one win and four.
To say that 'Every FBS conference champ used the portal' is also disingenuous. Pretty much EVERY team in FBS used the portal.
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Rival Killer [2906]
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The maths are hard for you?
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Jul 26, 2024, 12:11 PM
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1 win to 4 wins is exactly a 400% improvement.
Facts.
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Rival Killer [2906]
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Re: That ignores reality, Part 2.
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Jul 26, 2024, 12:24 PM
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The fact re ains that every 2023 FBS conference champion did use the portal.
Facts.
It's ludicrous to claim that literal facts are somehow "disingenuous".
Please get a dictionary.
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MVP [529]
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Re: TO REALLY DRIVE THE POINT HOME REGARDING THE FUTILITY OF BUYING PLAYERS
Jul 23, 2024, 11:07 AM
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Interesting ON3 numbers. A quick scan looks like there are a few schools that found 4* players. The competition (and $$$ price) is pretty high. Not sure if Clemson has enough chips to play in that card game.
I noticed how many lost more 3*s than gained 3*s.
Question is...if you can't get 4*s and go after 3*s, are those 3*s in the portal better than the 3*s you know and recruited...and why did those 3*s go to the port-o-let anyway.
Just curious thoughts.
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YOU LIKE A GOOD ALL CAPS OP DON'T YOU CHESTY?***
Jul 23, 2024, 3:18 PM
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110%er [3995]
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Throw ALL players into the TP EACH YEAR - draft your ENTIRE roster annually
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..”THIS IS THE WAY!” Th’ Mandalorian
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Legend [6920]
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For the umpteenth time, Colorado is not the blue print Clemson should use for
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Jul 24, 2024, 1:33 AM
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the TP. Why is this so rigging hard for you to understand?
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Rival Killer [2906]
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Strawman argument.
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Jul 24, 2024, 11:05 AM
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No one is saying that.
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Legend [6920]
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stupid argument - it doesn't apply to Clemson so stop bringing it up
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Jul 24, 2024, 3:03 PM
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Michigan is a much closer example to Clemson - and they used it to win the NC. We didn't and didn't get particularly close to it.
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Re: For the umpteenth time, Colorado is not the blue print Clemson should use for
Jul 24, 2024, 3:33 PM
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Michigan needed the portal, we don't. With portal comes NIL packages and at Clemson they have a Top 10 NIL program. Clemson needed some coaching changes, and they were made. Currently, the starter and back up at each position for the current roster would be a starter at most schools. Sure, if Clemson has a bunch of players transfer out at the end of the season, and they have a poor performance in recruiting then I think Dabo goes to the portal. The biggest argument that everyone is missing is the fact that we haven't needed the portal because any transfers have been replaced either by depth on the roster or from a high school recruit.
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Rival Killer [2906]
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We absolutely need the portal..
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Jul 24, 2024, 9:10 PM
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Right now we develop athletes for the competition, then some of them leave.
That hurts us and helps the competition.
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Tiger Spirit [10091]
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Re: We absolutely need the portal..
Jul 25, 2024, 9:05 AM
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I disagree. Have you taken notice of how deep our roster is? I don't believe Clemson needs the portal just yet.
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Rival Killer [2906]
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How deep our roster is? Bwahahahaha!!!
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Jul 25, 2024, 9:12 AM
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We lost 12 football athletes to the portal just since the bowl game. Virtually all of them were either former starters or valuable backups for us.
Our QB room is upside down. Pest an is the best QB on the roster, but we may not see him until garbage time against El Cid.
Offensive line - suspect at best.
Defense - lots of new faces.
Kicker??? Yeah, question mark.
I hope Clemson wins every game, but we realistically could start 0-3 this season.
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Re: TO REALLY DRIVE THE POINT HOME REGARDING THE FUTILITY OF BUYING PLAYERS
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Jul 24, 2024, 10:20 PM
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8 million is small. Team was much improved. With no portal, they would have won ZERO games.
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Tiger Spirit [10091]
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Re: TO REALLY DRIVE THE POINT HOME REGARDING THE FUTILITY OF BUYING PLAYERS
Jul 25, 2024, 9:05 AM
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They may win 5 this season.
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Ring of Honor [23156]
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You drove the point home well for just all caps and exclamation marks.
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Jul 26, 2024, 6:49 AM
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Maybe next time use bold, italics or underline. That might make you sound smarter. Or not.
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Campus Hero [14056]
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This is a perfect example of a dumb anti-portal
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Jul 26, 2024, 12:16 PM
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argument that focuses on the most extreme example available and attempts to apply it to all situations and all forms of portal usage.
No rational person is claiming that Clemson should take 50 transfers. Just stop.
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Ring of Honor [21937]
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You mean they increased their win total by 400%?***
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Jul 29, 2024, 10:50 AM
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