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TCU job
Nov 5, 2021, 9:17 AM
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I'm not concerned with reasons that TE may or may not be offered the job. That's being discussed on other posts. I have seen some posts that Coach Elliot will take a head coaching job one day but they don't know if TCU is the job for him.
My question is, where would he have a better head coaching opportunity than TCU?
TCU is a traditional football school in a Power 5 conference. It is in a great state for recruiting. Though I don't know, I am guessing that there is reasonable financial backing for the football program. I would think that it is at least as good as Clemson during the pre-Dabo era.
What is wrong with TCU and again where would he get a better offer from?
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TCU want Sonny Dykes
Nov 5, 2021, 9:20 AM
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A Tony Elliott interview would just be going through the motions to make tye coach search look “exhaustive”
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Re: TCU want Sonny Dykes
Nov 5, 2021, 9:26 AM
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Most coaches use other job openings to have their name thrown out there so they can get a raise. A raise is certainly not earned here.
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Re: TCU want Sonny Dykes
Nov 5, 2021, 9:37 AM
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Like I said, whether or not he would be offered the job is being discussed elsewhere. I'm just confused by ones that act like it would not be a good job for Elliot. To me it looks like something that he should jump at if given the opportunity. I would like to know why some people don't think that it is a good job.
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Chad Morris would be a good fit at TCU
Nov 5, 2021, 9:32 AM
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Re: TCU job
Nov 5, 2021, 9:44 AM
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Anyone who passes on TE as a head coach is an idiot. Folks will complain about his current offensive woes but again, a HC and a OC is a different set. TE is a lot more in the mold of HC and will make any halfway decent program a national power.
TCU will be a good fit but at the same time, I don't know if a Texas recruiting footprint is best. I don't think it is an issue but I would see a eastern school as a better option. If he finds the right DC, then TCU will be rolling with TE.
I still think that a VaTech or similar would fit better. I also see him going left coast as well.
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Re: TCU job
Nov 5, 2021, 9:46 AM
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1) Does TE have sufficient ties to recruit Texas? This is a big consideration for both TE and TCU
2) The current TCU coach suggested that they need a NIL plan as anyone who develops within their program would transfer after a season or two based on NIL compensation. He Stated that the TCU boosters needed to step up their game in this area else TCU will be left behind.
3) TCU is a small regional school trying to compete on the big stage. Under the right leadership it is possible but not just anyone could step in the position and win.
4) From a TCU perspective, hiring a coordinator with no HC experience is a gamble vs. hiring someone like Dykes from SMU who has a track record.
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Re: TCU job
Nov 5, 2021, 10:42 AM
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Not sure that he really has any ties to Texas, but I think that he will likely have to develop them where ever he goes. Similar thoughts with TCU being a smaller school having to compete with the big guys. I don't think that he will have to start a little smaller for his first head coaching job. I think it is realistic for him to get a job at a smaller to medium sized P5 school or a bigger group of 5 school. To me it is significant that TCU is a football first school. I think that should be one of TE's biggest considerations.
As far as Dykes, he may be the first choice but would he want the job. It is only a moderate step up, and if he was to fail at TCU he would likely plateau out there. With his current success, I think that I would want a bigger step up while he is a hotter commodity.
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Re: TCU job
Nov 5, 2021, 12:41 PM
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I always consider TCU football to be akin to Wake Forest basketball.
It can be both a good, fertile spot and extremely difficult spot as well. You have way too much local competition so to fail is to fail BADLY but at the same time, if you get the right circumstances, you have a lot of advantages. It is geared well for a "less proven talent" because if you make it, well, you are set. I don't see a successful group-of-five wanting to go there. Same risks, less reward (moving up). At the same time, I don't think it is a spot for a burning out other P5 coach either.
Now Sonny might be the exception but he is also a Texas Tech DEEP and I don't see TCU getting him if TT is even remotely interested. I don't think Sonny is looking higher either (we was at Cal)
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Re: TCU job
Nov 5, 2021, 10:05 AM
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...maybe they've seen what Jeff Scott's done with USF and have decided to pass (lmao)
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Re: TCU job
Nov 5, 2021, 10:06 AM
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I don't think he could hope for a better opportunity. There are not a lot of power 5 schools clamoring for him if any. His best bet for a HC position will be at a Middle tier non Power 5 school. That is where he will eventually wind up just like Jeff Scott. I would be very surprised if any Power 5 school hires him. His name is not as coveted as some like to pretend it is. His stock peaked two years ago and has been in steady decline.
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Re: TCU job
Nov 5, 2021, 10:09 AM
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When it comes to programs that need to be built, the main aspect of how good the job is becomes recruiting.
I don't know the answer because I don't follow TCU, but I wonder where they stand in the hierarchy to get recruits from their own state.
I already know that there aren't really any out of state fertile recruiting grounds that are in close proximity to TCU.
Just a quick list of teams who would look like better options for Texas recruits in my mind would be:
Texas, Oklahoma, LSU, Auburn and Alabama all go into Texas for the elite recruits.
Not as close in proximity, but a huge presence would also include: Ohio St and Notre Dame.
Those don't even count the more prestigious schools that are on either coast that are starting to take kids from Texas. Clemson has taken a top player from Texas in each of the last 2 cycles.
Then the similar level comparisons that TCU has to fight on, at the very best, a level playing field: Oklahoma St, Baylor, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Miss St and more.
TCU might be in a decent recruiting area, but they are getting the scraps that are left at the table. That is likely the reason Patterson was so matter of fact about needing a very good NIL plan and more support to be able to rebuild what was a once impressive program.
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Re: TCU job
Nov 5, 2021, 10:40 AM
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TCU has really good facilities, a newer stadium, and the most talented/populous recruiting area(DFW) this side of Florida/Georgia. I’d be shocked if they can’t pull in a well-respected highly sought after coordinator somewhere not named Tony Elliott
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Re: TCU job
Nov 5, 2021, 10:45 AM
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But he is not being looked at for OC. He has played a significant role in the building of a powerhouse at a medium sized ACC school. TCU would want him to duplicate Dabo's success, not his own.
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Re: TCU job
Nov 5, 2021, 2:52 PM
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He’s had better recent offers and didn’t jump. I would have taken the Tennessee gig (if he was really offered it). I agree though TCU is a solid job and they even almost made the playoffs in 2014, if he can recruit Texas, he could thrive there. But to answer your question, I think he’s been offered better opportunities but maybe the timing wasn’t right, maybe TCU and timing line up. Seems like he is waiting for the perfect storm to make that jump, and I don’t blame him at all.
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Re: TCU job
Nov 5, 2021, 2:59 PM
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TE would need to be in a situation like Dabo is right now. TE NEEDS the school he is at to open their wallet so he can hire the best coordinators. I just dont see him as that alpha take charge hands on controlling a team micromanaging kind of coach.
If Clemson refused to pay and get the coordinators/coaches they have had in the last 10 years we wouldn't have had anywhere near the success we have had. At the end of the day Dabo trusts his hires completely and doesn't have the experience to run an offense or defense.
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Clemson definitely had some lean years, but...
Nov 5, 2021, 3:20 PM
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I'm not so sure it's reasonable to say that TCU was at least as good as Clemson during the pre-Dabo years.
Maybe during the Tommy West era and during a portion of the Bowden era, but under Danny Ford Clemson was consistently one of the top programs in the country.
Interestingly, TCU and Clemson have played four times dating back to 1959, and the series is tied at 2 - 2. TCU won the last meeting in 2009 by a score 14 - 10 in an absolute downpour. 2009 was the first meeting since 1965
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Re: Clemson definitely had some lean years, but...
Nov 5, 2021, 3:25 PM
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Yeah, TCU was Duke level bad for about 40 years before Patterson. Only 10 above .500 seasons... and their overall success/record tracks very similarly to Duke (good in the 30s and into the 40s, then falls off a cliff by the 60s... of course TCU has been decent for for the last 20 years. Duke, ehhhhhh.
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