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Re: Tampering
Dec 10, 2022, 8:20 AM
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I'm no lawyer and I understand the HC is ultimately responsible for the program but in a case where...say the RB coach "tampers," I'm not sure how you legally stick the HC with a personal fine. Seems a more likey consequence would be something impacting the program....bowl games or scholly limits.
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Re: Tampering
Dec 10, 2022, 8:26 AM
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I like scholly limits. That would have more impact and couldn't be paid off by boosters.
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not just scholly limits, but total number of players
Dec 10, 2022, 11:58 AM
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period! That way, you truly 'feel the pain' for at least 2-3 years. It has to be made very painful if caught. Second offense would be the ol' death penalty for 5 years.
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Re: Tampering
Dec 10, 2022, 8:28 AM
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He is responsible for the program. I worked in the food industry and know of instances where plant managers were actually charged with a crime when someone on their staff made poor decisions that affected food safety and created a situation that resulted in a recall for a food safety issue. If they can be held responsible for the actions of their staff and employees, why not a football coach. Lots of people have recently used Dabo’s salary as justification for being critical of his decision making but this is the reason executives and coaches make the big bucks. They are, or should be, responsible for what happens within their organization.
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Re: Tampering
Dec 10, 2022, 8:39 AM
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Again, not a lawyer. You're citing an example where people's actions put others at risk (food safety and recalls). If the plant manager certified things were safe when they weren't, potentially engangering others, I'd agree he's culpable. I think we'd agree the HC is responsible (culpable, to an extent) for the actions of his staff. I just don't see a scenario where some assistant texting a player from another school is going to result in a being compelled to write a personal check for a million bucks. Even if that did happen, does anyone doubt that million bucks is likley to find it's way back into the HC's account?
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Re: Tampering
Dec 10, 2022, 9:35 AM
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I agree that in my example a situation was created where people could be physically harmed. And the penalty was criminal charges which is more severe than a fine. The proposed penalty for the coach that doesn’t certify that his staff is doing things correctly is a million dollar fine for a person who makes a multimillion dollar annual salary and I agree it will probably never even come directly from his pocket. But the public perception would be a big price for the program as well. I really don’t see a problem with it. I was a plant manger and understood that if someone in my operation didn’t follow their training and created an outbreak that made people sick I could personally be held criminally responsible. It is a hard concept for some to grasp and it can be a little scary at times, especially given some of the labor markets we operated in, but it was part of the deal. If you go in with your eyes wide open you know you have to accept that responsibility.
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Re: Tampering
Dec 10, 2022, 8:32 AM
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You can't and you won't ever have a million dollar fine. Athletes do not live in an 8 x 8 cell with no access to the outside world and if they are unhappy where they are, they have a perfect right to seek other options. Millions of people change jobs every year and now that the Portal is in effect, to suggest athletes must remain at their school would be totally unrealistic.
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Re: Tampering
Dec 10, 2022, 12:34 PM
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valley, No one is suggesting that the players can't move, but their have to be some restrictions. They shouldn't be offered a position at another school until after they have enter the portal.
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Re: Tampering
Dec 10, 2022, 10:19 AM
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It’s called don’t hire scum to do your dirty work!!
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Re: Tampering
Dec 10, 2022, 2:09 PM
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I believe the 1Mil fine isn't enough. Maybe for teh head coach, I want to see more across teh board.
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Re: Tampering
Dec 10, 2022, 8:27 AM
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should be no limits on free people talking to each other
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Re: Tampering
Dec 10, 2022, 12:36 PM
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Maybe there should be some sort of yearly contract between players and their schools - with a set period when the contract can be negated - to go to another school.
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Butt, the key phrase in that whole article is "IF you get
Dec 10, 2022, 9:14 AM
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caught tampering". The NCAA rules are so slack right now, you would have to be a beyond idiot maroon to actually get caught directly tampering. Too easy to use non-official cutouts to do it for you. If WE are not doing the same, unofficially, shame on us for not playing the game as it is currently being played.
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Re: Tampering
Dec 10, 2022, 9:20 AM
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Each Power 5 school gets $X millions (30 - 60 million give or take) from their conferences each year. The income from the conference does not only go to athletics, a good portion goes to the university general funds. Hit the school where it hurts most and the University Presidents and BOTs will eventually fix the problem internally. If a school is caught tampering and it is proven, for a 1st offense, hit the school with a fine of 20% of their conference income, no bowl/CFP appearance and NO TV appearances for 1 year. For a 2nd offense, 30% fine of conference income, no bowl/CFP appearance for 2 years, loss of 5 scholarships and NO TV appearances for 2 years. For a 3rd offense, 50% fine of conference income, no bowl/CFP appearance for 3 years, loss of 10 scholarships for 3 years, NO TV appearances for 3 years and sanction the HC for having no control of his/her program. Sanctioning the HC will probably get him and his staff fired for cause with no buy-out and hopefully a ban from coaching for 3 to 5 years.
The loss of scholarships may not mean as much a deterrent now since some booster or entity can cover the cost through NIL, but take away bowls/CFP appearances, TV and ultimately player exposure and I doubt many players will go the non-scholarship/NIL route to a school where no one would know where they are and who they are.
Then the dog barked, I woke up, and remembered the NCAA is not going to do a dayum thing!
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Re: Tampering
Dec 10, 2022, 9:47 AM
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The only negative about issuing a fine is who is going to be in charge of issuing that fine ? Don't forget the extreme bias that exists in college football. The NCAA doesn't have the balls to put an SEC team, Notre Dame, So. Cal., or Ohio St. on probation for recruiting violations (look at the history of recruiting violations) much less issuing a severe fine. They pick and choose who they accuse. This fine clause will fail because of that unless you put a reputable organization in charge and that is not the NCAA.
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Re: Tampering
Dec 10, 2022, 10:43 AM
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Fines based in conference pay out seems unfair. Why should a fine for tampering be more for an SEC team than a Big 12 team? Isn't it the same offense?
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Re: Tampering
Dec 10, 2022, 1:57 PM
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Because it just means more. ???
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Re: Tampering
Dec 10, 2022, 10:37 AM
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How about offering rewards to athletes that report tampering?
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Re: Tampering
Dec 10, 2022, 12:06 PM
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The fines should be the same for everyone. That was not my point. The fact of the matter is the NCAA overlooks some irregularities from certain institutions while actually penalizes others who will blow less smoke or don't have the finances to challenge.
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This is impossible to legally enforce
Dec 10, 2022, 12:03 PM
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In fact, legally enforcing any penalty on a coach or institution for tampering may be impossible.
Keep in mind the NCAA is very gun-shy about legal challenges. This is why NIL is allowed with almost no restraint and transfers no longer have to sit out a year. IMO, the NCAA will turn a blind eye because making a new rule and losing in court would diminish them further. Their primary goal at this point is just to survive as an organization.
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I like Billy Packer's solution.
Dec 10, 2022, 12:06 PM
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Coaches should quit protecting each other and start naming names.
Example:
Mack Brown should call a press conference and say,
Derrick Maye has been approached by the following schools and offered this much money:
aTm - 1.5 million
USC - 1.2 million
NCSU - 800K
etc.
List every school by name and the amount offered.
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