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Asst Coach [702]
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STOP comparing Dabo to Ford, there is little comparison
Jan 2, 2015, 10:52 PM
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Other than the fact they r both fine coaches. Dabo will never be Danny. Until dabo wins a national title , I don't want to hear it. Danny is King. Danny Ford is a Clemson icon. Dabo is a fine coach but no... He is not an icon. He is not a Clemson legend yet.
Coach Ford will always be the man.
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Re: STOP comparing Dabo to Ford, there is little comparison
Jan 2, 2015, 10:53 PM
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who ru trying to convince?
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Asst Coach [702]
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Re: STOP comparing Dabo to Ford, there is little comparison
Jan 2, 2015, 10:54 PM
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Nothing to convince . This is simply put .
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Re: STOP comparing Dabo to Ford, there is little comparison
Jan 2, 2015, 10:56 PM
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K, got that part, but I doubt many people confuse Dabo for Danny.( there are alwasy those juans...get it maybe)
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Re: STOP comparing Dabo to Ford, there is little comparison
Jan 2, 2015, 10:57 PM
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Are you kidding me. I feel totes joshed by this whole revelation.
I thought Danny had just had botox injections and stopped chewing tobacker
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Re: STOP comparing Dabo to Ford, there is little comparison
Jan 2, 2015, 10:58 PM
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I am beginning to think you are LLP's scok. Not really, but Huh?
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Re: STOP comparing Dabo to Ford, there is little comparison
Jan 2, 2015, 10:59 PM
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I'm just glad someone finally told me that Dabo isn't really Danny. Dassit
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Re: STOP comparing Dabo to Ford, there is little comparison
Jan 2, 2015, 11:01 PM
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all these layers of sarcasm are proof the English language is defunked.
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Recruit [97]
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Re: STOP comparing Dabo to Ford, there is little comparison
Jan 2, 2015, 11:03 PM
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Hard to tail the difference between iron knee and everything else
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Re: STOP comparing Dabo to Ford, there is little comparison
Jan 2, 2015, 11:05 PM
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what you said will accrue...
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Athletic Dir [859]
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Re: Himself*******
Jan 2, 2015, 10:57 PM
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you get a -1
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Scout Team [191]
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using your criteria we need to rename The Rock****
Jan 2, 2015, 10:57 PM
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Game Changer [1686]
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aquí
Jan 3, 2015, 12:07 AM
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Nm
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Head Coach [948]
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Give it up. Danny hasn't been our coach since 1989.
Jan 2, 2015, 11:50 PM
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Be a Clemson guy. I'm for the current coach and the 11 players on the field. No one is King.
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Zealot [757]
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That's not true. Dabo has done as much for Clemson as any
Jan 3, 2015, 12:18 AM
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coach in history, and he is already an icon. He's done everything Ford did except for the national title, and before you go there Ford NEVER played uSC teams like the C0cks from 2010 to 2013. The C0cks of 2008 and 2014 were much closer to the C0cks Danny played, and you know what happened there.
Just out of curiosity, what would you say were Danny's four best non-probation years?
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Re: That's not true. Dabo has done as much for Clemson as any
Jan 3, 2015, 12:25 AM
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Danny put us on the map. He won a national championship. Without that, our program would not have the prestige it has today. Dabo has done great things in the time he has been here. Until he wins a national championship, he is just another Clemson coach. I think he will win that championship within the next few years, but until he does he is just another post Ford era coach.
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Zealot [757]
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"just another Clemson coach"??? You must be joking?
Jan 3, 2015, 12:30 AM
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How long have you followed Clemson football? I agree that Danny did good things (and some bad things) for Clemson, and winning the national title puts him on top, but to say Dabo is just another Clemson coach is absurdly silly.
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All-Time Great [97516]
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I'm not contesting the theme you've exposed here at all.
Jan 3, 2015, 1:51 AM
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As far as taking a shot at Danny for cheating I think that's overboard. Everybody did the things that Clemson did in those years. Danny didn't pass out instruction to boosters and assistants directing them to pass out favors to land recruits.
You made your point you didn't have to drive it in the ground by landblasting Danny.
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Zealot [757]
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I'm not really sure where you're getting that from?
Jan 3, 2015, 4:20 PM
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I didn't take any shots at Danny?? I was in school during Danny's prime, and believe me I appreciate everything he did for us. However, fact is it wasn't all a bed of roses. That's all I meant to convey, and the truth is Danny wasn't nearly as innocent in our probation as you seem to think. Kind of hard to compare coach A to coach B without weighing it all. In any case, I didn't bash him in any way.
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Zealot [757]
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Well you're right about one thing...
Jan 4, 2015, 2:39 PM
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It was CONSIDERABLY easier to win games and conference titles in the ACC when Danny was coaching.
Our first two titles were against a 6-game league schedule with no championship game, where 9 of 12 wins were against ACC teams with 6 of fewer total wins. One team (UNC) had 10 wins and the two other biggest wins were against 8-4 teams in UNC and Maryland.
Our 3rd, 4th, and 5th titles (86-88) came against a 7-game schedule with no championship game. Losses to mediocre and worse teams like NC State and Maryland cost us a chance at bigger things nationally. If Dabo Swinney lost games like these he would be tarred and feathered on the spot. During those three championship years, no ACC opponent had greater than 8 wins. A grand total of 3 wins came against teams with 8 wins in those three seasons, and four teams had 7 wins. Everyone else had 6 wins or less.
In the 33 wins during those five championship seasons, 23 of the wins came against teams with 6 wins or less. Think about that. In fact, 13 of the 33 wins came against teams with 4 or less wins.
To say the ACC is harder now is a gross understatement. Therefore, to set some arbitrary opinion that Dabo needs to win two more titles to even be mentioned with Danny, well, that's obviously silly.
Dabo most definitely is doing more than every other coach in Clemson history. He deserves that recognition. There's simply no way to argue otherwise or say he needs to do this, that, or the other before he gains your respect.
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Ring of Honor [23641]
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Wrong. UMD, UNC, NCSU and GT were pretty good. How old
Jan 4, 2015, 6:00 PM
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are you!
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Zealot [757]
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UNC had 10 wins once. Nobody else ever
Jan 4, 2015, 8:18 PM
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had more than 8 at any point. I don't consider that "pretty good" by any stretch. That's easy pickings for a team who was recruiting like Clemson.
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Re: That's not true. Dabo has done as much for Clemson as any
Jan 4, 2015, 2:12 AM
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When Dabo Swinney wins as many ACC Championships as Danny Ford, when he wins a National Championship. when he basically owns USC, yes then he can be compared to Danny-GO TIGERS!
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Zealot [757]
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Well, when and if the ACC
Jan 4, 2015, 2:45 PM
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and uSC turn out sucking as much as they did then, then you may have somewhat of a point.
South Carolina was 6-6, 4-7, 3-6-2, 8-4, and 8-4 during our ACC championship years.
The ACC facts are here: http://www.tigernet.com/forums/message.jspa?messageID=16618147. They sucked too.
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CU Guru [1038]
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OK, give Dabo the most expensive staff in college ball
Jan 4, 2015, 3:55 PM
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and he can win a Russell Athletic Bowl....yippee!!!!
They could hire me and give me the same staff and nothing would change. That shows how ridiculously unimportant Dabo is.
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Give the coots a College HOF coach
Jan 4, 2015, 4:01 PM
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And they can win some duck calls.
Didn't we just release our 1.3 million dollar coach and gave our best offensive performance of the year? Surely whomever can change Coordinators like that is doing something right. Didn't work for Auburn too well.
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Re: OK, give Dabo the most expensive staff in college ball
Jan 4, 2015, 5:04 PM
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If they gave you the same staff, I'm sure you could get some wins, but the athletic department doesn't make those hires, Dabo does. Could you make those good hires?
What about recruiting too? Could you recruit at the high level he does?
Just because Dabos strengths aren't coaching doesn't mean you could emulate what he's done. To say that shows your ignorance.
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What has Dabo done to make you think his strength is
Jan 4, 2015, 5:09 PM
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not coaching? Say it enough and you might start believing it, but you don't get where he is unless you are a dang good coach.
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Head Coach [774]
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I wasn't saying he was a bad coach, I was more talking about
Jan 4, 2015, 6:14 PM
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His other strengths. He's one of the better recruiters out there and he's incredible at making the right hires. I don't know how much behind the scenes he does, but I believe he's a better coach than what people credit him for
I was just showing AllTimeClemson that he couldn't do as well as Dabo has done with the team. The poster isn't giving Dabo any credit for the success he's had
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Ring of Honor [23641]
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Orange Blooded [4506]
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Pell left the program in much better shape than Bowden
Jan 4, 2015, 6:53 PM
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did.
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Zealot [757]
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And yet he never sniffed one again...because
Jan 4, 2015, 8:20 PM
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we would lose to suck teams like NCSU, GT, and Duke. With the players we had, I think we should have played for at least one more in the 80s.
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Stop Huffing Paint And Posting***
Jan 3, 2015, 12:43 AM
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CU Guru [1639]
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Clemson's three best coaches of all time...so far
Jan 4, 2015, 5:07 PM
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I wondered when the Dabo haters would crawl out from under their collective rocks. This whole comparison is stupid.
The three top coaches in Clemson are listed in chronological order)
Frank Howard
Danny Ford
Dabo Swinney
Other than the fact they all played for Alabama, you can not really make a direct comparison as there are too many varibles. Howard was a master of the single-wing, t-Formation and the wing-T. Closest thing to any of these played today is Paul Johnson's offense at GaTech. For the most part, Clemson was a dominant member of the ACc but it only took 5-6 games to win it. Games outside the ACC except for Furman and PC were a disaster and were played to get $$$$. Danny coached I-formation and Pro-set power football. Both he and Howard featured a fullback carring the ball a lot. Danny hit Clemson at just the right time on the national scene. While neither of these coaches ever lost to Virginia, it was only a matter of time. Dabo coaches in the days of hurry-up and spread. Due to ESPN and the schedule we play with a conference championship game and a selection committee, he has the hardest row to hoe to get to a national championship. The bias toward the ACC doesn't help any. How successful would any of these coaches be if you could put them in one of the other's place? There is absolutely no way to know. Football has changed too much over the years. Howard had a losing record against the coots,mainly because of Big Thursday. His OOC record against the SEC was awful. But he was a legend and built the foundation for what we have today. He had some very good years. One undefeated season which was 11 wins counting the bowl. Danny had one undefeated season -the national championship. The only reason Clemson was # 1 was that no other team in America was undefeated. How long could Danny maintained if he had stayed at Clemson? We don't know. I will never understand why he couldn't win at Arkansas.He was atough, hard-nosed coach who did great things here.Dabo has had 4 years of 10 and 11 wins. No other Clemson coach has done this. He has built the program from the disarray of Bowden to what we have today with great recuits continuing. His players couldn't run the T-formation or Power I. Danny and Frank's couldn't run the spread.
In other words, you can't compare the three and no one should try.
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Athletic Dir [896]
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That was very simply put, simpleton...living up to your name***
Jan 4, 2015, 10:08 PM
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