Re: State Fan with a Question.

And the majority of “state fans” are scumbags.***

redculler - you seem like a nice enough fellow so this ain't personal.... but unfortunately your coach, Dave Doeren, is a low life dewsh whose poor sportsmanship, and whiny character infect the whole NC State program.

Here's a little taste of why most of us Clemson folk don't like Doeren and by proxy State:

In 2015, one of Doeren's assistant coaches decides to shove DW4 on the NC State sideline:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aygZIhCQV_0

In 2016, during Doeren's coaches show he counts "knocking their tailback out of the game" as one of the things he needed to do to win the game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS0r_8b-Z0U

In 2017 another NC State coach or assistant decides to take a swipe at K'Von Wallace along their sideline after intercepting a pass to seal the game. Some may discard the slap at K'Von Wallace but Dabo made mention of the incident stating the slap could have injured K'Von's hand and should not have happened:
https://youtu.be/GnzabZ5zMSw

Again in 2017, the stupid towel stuff by one of his players (Chubb) and who can forget Doeren's whining press conference after the game (i.e. Clemson had a computer on their sideline...)

Under Doeren, NC State has become the USuC of the ACC as far as poor sportsmanship with the fanbase following his lead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2dOeOBsEb0

If State would get rid of Dave Doeren and get a coach with some class I'd probably pull for State except for when they play Clemson. Too bad you guys didn't let him go to Tennessee - he'd fit right in with all those other garbage coaches in the SEC East...

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Oct 18, 2018, 10:53 PM

The Woofies are as likely as anybody this side of the post season to beat Clemson, if that is what you consider a threat. I'm confident, but concerned Clemson could stub its toe against a capable team that has played us close for three years.

I frankly have always thought of State as being as close to a sister institution as might be found on Tobacco Road. Agriculture, technical, and engineering focus. An offset for a smug and pompous "University of" (I despise UNCHeat almost as much as the local poultry, but I'd have to admit the Tarholes have a bit more reason to be pompous than the chickens, academically and athletically). We sort of saw the world the same way. And we have had some great football games.

If you are detecting more than usual dislike I'd say t may be for two primary reasons:

1. Your coach is a total prick and a whiney one to boot. Two years ago, Gallman was taken out in the first half on an obvious but uncalled targeting. He missed the remainder of the game under concussion protocol. When asked about the hit, rather than give the usual coach speak with concern about the concussed young man, Doeren had to use the very play to brag about "taking 'em out." Just watched the play and saw how the State player strutted off. I recognize it cause a fumble, but I was there and the greeting on the bench was a little too jubilant under the circumstances. Doeren has acted personally affronted if he does not get every call. Last year was a perfect example. I was there also. Early in the game, State got away with a few obvious no calls on PI, helping them build a lead. Thereafter, Doeren and the fans seemed to think that was the state of nature and any contact whatever by Clemson defenders was PI or holding, and any contact by State defenders was acceptable no matter how brutal. And when a few calls went against State for a change Doeren stomped around and yelled like a spoiled three year old. Moreover, he ginned up the fans who seem to have bought in to his nonsense. The result was thunderous boos for every call that didn't favor State and a literal assault of the officials on the way out of the stadium. But that was not enough, in post game Doeren had to keep banging the hammer, as well as conjure up the BS laptop controversy. I know coaches lose their cool and complain about refereeing. Most at some point take a breath and get over it. Watch his post game and tell me how proud you are. Doeren has kept it up this year. Snark comments on not caring if it is on AM radio. More comments about wanting TL on his back, often, and of course the old reliable (nod, wink) slightly ambiguous "take em out!"

2. Too much of Doeren has rubbed of on the State fans. In my experience State has always had a commendable fan base. Last year made me think they have also become childish and uninformed fans. As I said, many of the calls for Clemson were either clearly right or at most 50/50 but made the crowd erupt in fury. Yeah, I have probably on occasion booed a correct call, but if that crowd really meant it time after time they were watching some other game. And of course the assault on the officials. But the bow on it was walking back to the car with my wife. Scarcely a group that we went past was not complaining vociferously about the supposed conspiracy between Swofford and the officials to protect State's playoff position. Swofford no less. You may be too young to understand the total impossibility of Swofford doing anything to help Clemson. The one thing that did not happen was no one got in my face for no reason. Otherwise, I would have thought I was in the stadium of a team that also wears read. The State loudspeaker even played "Sandstorm" for Pete's sake.

I have no interest in hating State. Not even its fans, but I don't have much use for them if they keep drinking Doeren's kool aid.

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