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Someone clearly needs to reel in the NIL
Jan 6, 2022, 10:53 AM
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With reports like Caleb Willikas being offered a million dollars and Texas A&M boosters spending around 30 million something needs to happen to slow the chaos down. Not only will we see programs try to buy championships but we'll see elite players bouncing around from school to school to get the best deal.
I think the NCAA (or whoever wants to step up) won't reverse course and get rid of the NIL entirely, but what they can do is limit how much money can be offered up. I think the best way to do this is to introduce a "salary cap" similiar to the NFL. That way smaller schools will be able to stay closer with the heavy bidders. Booster programs will also need to be smart and manage how NIL money is split
What are your thoughts TNET?
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Look for Congress to get reinvolved in this,
Jan 6, 2022, 10:56 AM
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especially when alums of "lesser" schools begin to see their Alma Maters affected negatively.
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^ This***
Jan 6, 2022, 11:26 AM
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Tell that to the power 5 schools.
Jan 6, 2022, 4:31 PM
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They seem to have forgotten that.
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I really hate idea of getting Congress involved in college
Jan 6, 2022, 11:45 AM
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athletics but at this point I don't see any other way to level the playing field that will also survive Judicial scrutiny. If nothing else it would make every College adhere to the same legislative framework as opposed to what we have now which is every State making their own framework.
Unfortunately - the 3 plans I've seen floated thus far by Booker/Blumenthal, Moran, and Murphy do not address the problems being generated by NIL and would only make things worse. I'm hoping that Congress is waiting to see the problems that the current "wild west" approach to NIL are creating (especially in regards to loss of academic focus, competition, and keeping college athletics an amateur model) and will thoughtfully address these problems. However, if I've learned anything from many years of watching Congress - actually solving problems ain't their strong suit and in many cases they just make things worse.
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Re: I really hate idea of getting Congress involved in college
Jan 6, 2022, 11:51 AM
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If congress sees that one players are making more off NIL than congress is making on other illicit ventures, then they will step in.
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The haves and have nots could shift quite a bit
Jan 6, 2022, 11:06 AM
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Re: Someone clearly needs to reel in the NIL
Jan 6, 2022, 11:08 AM
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This is where the previously formed Alliance could step in and make waves.
Let the teams within the Alliance set some rules. Heck, reach out and partner with the NCAA. Then let it be know the teams within the Alliance will not schedule teams who play outside of the newly established rules (SEC).
The SEC either keeps their current course, and probably forms their own little NFL minor league with their only connection to the NCAA being the fields they play on...picking up a couple additional teams, or they conform to the NCAA rules.
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Re: Someone clearly needs to reel in the NIL
Jan 6, 2022, 11:08 AM
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My thoughts are that the Twitter offer of $1 million to Caleb Williams will be a fraction of what he actually signs at his destination.
The OU insider was hearing early in the week that UGA has a $2.5 million package to present to Williams.
I'm interested to see where he ends up because I imagine it will be hard to keep his deal quiet when it comes to how much he agreed to.
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Re: Someone clearly needs to reel in the NIL
Jan 6, 2022, 11:10 AM
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Old Germans!!!
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Re: Someone clearly needs to reel in the NIL
Jan 6, 2022, 11:34 AM
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Racist.
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Re: Someone clearly needs to reel in the NIL
Jan 6, 2022, 11:13 AM
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I think that’s a commie idea. It’s a free market. If we’re allowing players to get paid, there can be no cap or limit. This was Pandora’s box. It should have never been opened. Students should not be choosing colleges based on how much money they can make. They should be choosing college based on the education they can receive. Colleges are no longer educational institutions to these players, they have turned into nothing more than vessels of greed.
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Pro leagues have caps and limits.
Jan 6, 2022, 11:23 AM
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Frankly it's done to somewhat keep competitive.
Tampa and Baltimore will never be able to spend what NY and Boston can, but for the good of the league all agreed to the caps so NY and Boston will even have someone to play.
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Re: Pro leagues have caps and limits.
Jan 6, 2022, 11:34 AM
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Pro leagues have caps on salary not endorsements. All of these deals are treated as endorsements thus no way to control them. This happens in free agency all the time in the pros. Teams meet with players to pitch how much additional money they can make in endorsements by coming to there specific market.
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Re: Pro leagues have caps and limits.
Jan 6, 2022, 11:43 AM
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Exactly NIL and NFL salary caps are completely different.
NIL is name image and likeness. Who are you to tell me how much my name is worth. How can you put a cap on my likeness. Or say my image is only worth a certain amount.
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Understand, and not suggesting that anything can be done.
Jan 6, 2022, 12:18 PM
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The logic however is the same considering the only "pay" for college are NIL deals.
If 6 to 10 teams start dominating even more the they do now, interest will fall (even more, the game this monday will probably be the least watched championship in quite a while.)
We can laugh and joke that folks in other parts of the country don't care as much, and they don't....but college football needs the pac10, acc, big12 to be viable.
Otherwise the sec and a few other teams will soon see their own revenues fall.
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Re: Pro leagues have caps and limits.
Jan 6, 2022, 1:39 PM
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I think the main problem is that some schools are not using the NIL as endorsements but as a salary. Surely not every place offering these kids millions of dollars to send out a tweet are expecting a positive return on that investment. But something needs to keep it in check. Maybe exceptions could be made for any NIL that affects all players like the NCAA games, or NIL's could be given to players regardless of which school they are at. Just spitballing here because NIL is not working the way it was intended and I haven't seen any solutions suggested other than to go back. Which will obviously never happen
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Re: Pro leagues have caps and limits.
Jan 6, 2022, 3:26 PM
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I used to think the same thing. But, according to Sports Media Watch, New York, LA and Chicago are the only 3 NFL cities above 3M homes. Boston is at 2.5M homes but there are 6 cities between that and 3M. These are Philly, Dallas, San Fran/Oakland, Atlanta, Houston, and Washington, DC, in order from biggest to smallest. Since 1985, the three big markets have won 5 championships among them, with LA being shut out. The two cities you mentioned as fodder have won 4. My point is that the small market teams in the NFL have some way to be more than whipping boys.
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Re: Someone clearly needs to reel in the NIL
Jan 6, 2022, 11:26 AM
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Are you more than one person? There are at least 2 conflicting concepts in your post…should have never done it, but it’s “commie” to reel it back in? Please decide which person is in charge prior to posting. Now, I have to go to work so I can draw unemployment…
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I don't think he realizes "commie"...
Jan 6, 2022, 12:19 PM
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...means something different than what he thinks it means.
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Re: Someone clearly needs to reel in the NIL
Jan 6, 2022, 11:44 AM
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I agree it's a bad idea. I disagree that it's a free market but will someone be bold enough to point out the folly of NIL and the transfer portal? I'd love to see Saban or Smart make and immediate offer to a third string QB or LB before the big game. Come on over and bring the playbook. Follow that up with a couple of "You fumbled? Scholarship revoked. Pack your bags. You're fired" and then you'd have free market. I suspect the most push back from this will come from another "conmmie" idea, Title IX. Before NIL if you wanted to better your program you set up two scholarships for every one. One male, one female. Now the NIL is between the booster's company and the star football or b-ball player. I expect you'll see hand wringing after next season.
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Re: Someone clearly needs to reel in the NIL
Jan 6, 2022, 11:33 AM
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This is America, we are a capitalist society and the law says these kids can prostitute themselves and earn money. The PGA Tour starts back in Hawaii today so turn on Golf Channel and look at how many icons from sponsors the players wear. Golfers support the NIL and it is now a part of football. Or to put it more simply for some of you, if you are making $11 an hour at McDonald's and take a job at Chick-fil_A making $14 an hour does that need reeling in?
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Re: Someone clearly needs to reel in the NIL
Jan 6, 2022, 12:00 PM
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Don't confuse the PGA with the wild west. There are still limitations. "Endorsements will be limited to entities that have a broad variety of interests — meaning that sponsorships by sports books will still be prohibited — as well as to logos of spirit companies only." Will the NCAA or conferences sit idly by while a mid-level D-lineman signs a deal with a adult content site? Will the school tolerate it? Athletes may control the NIL process but one of the platforms that gives them exposure is controlled by the conferences and schools. This is actually a good thing as having 17-21 year olds making all the business decisions that affect your industry isn't a proven strategy. Social media may change that over time but history shows schools will decide to protect image. That's how Randy Moss ended up at Marshall.
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It just comes down to how much you as a fan are willing to
Jan 6, 2022, 11:47 AM
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stomach. The NIL is happening and players will go to the highest bidder.
We all "stomach" a bit already as we proudly support our Alma Mater (or favorite team). We already knew these guys often weren't true student-athletes - but we pulled for them anyway.
Now you just have to decide if you want to pull for a bunch of pro athletes that wear your school's uniforms.
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Re: Someone clearly needs to reel in the NIL
Jan 6, 2022, 11:48 AM
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I'm no lawyer.
But, I think the problem is the NCAA, nor the SEC or ACC or any other conference or school, can override a state law.
Clemson, for example, can't tell a business major he can't go work for H&R Block during tax season. Now states are specifically telling schools they can't prevent a player from earning money from his "name, image and likeness."
The only way the schools and conferences and Alliance and NCAA or whatever group involved is to make a rule where schools are penalized when they have these players on their teams without penalizing the player who is following state and federal laws.
The only way I know to do that would be (I'm beating my dead horse again) to tie scholarships to graduation.
My plan, which would never be implemented, would be to say that every player counts as a scholarship for either 6 years or until he graduates from your school.
Caleb Williams would count as one of the 85 for OU for the next 5 years. Same as Quinn Evers for Ohio State. Coaches would have to ask themselves, "Does this kid really want to graduate from my school? Is he worth the risk?"
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Re: Someone clearly needs to reel in the NIL
Jan 6, 2022, 12:36 PM
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That's a really good point I hadn't considered. So it looks like the conferences hands are tied on this too. I guess if any adjusts are going to be made it will have to come from Congress like hartians mentioned above.
Good luck with anything moving forward from that direction though.
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Re: Someone clearly needs to reel in the NIL
Jan 6, 2022, 12:25 PM
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I don't think they can do much about how much money they get from the NIL because of the state laws. However, I think they could place more rules on the Transfer Portal. If a company wants to offer a player a million to advertise for their company or whatever then great, but why should that require the player to play on a certain team?
If I'm a company in Texas then why am I so interested in paying a million to advertise with the QB for Penn State? If he's a big name and you want to use him then why can't he advertise while still playing for Penn State? Why does that player need to play for Texas for you to offer him the deal? Why couldn't you offer that same deal to a QB or some other player already on the Texas roster if it adds value to you for him to play on a local team?
I'm not sure how much power the NCAA has to make "companies" answer those questions, but surely some guidelines can be put into place.
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Re: Someone clearly needs to reel in the NIL
Jan 6, 2022, 12:53 PM
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I think you make a good point. The company interested in offering Williams a million is called GameAbove Capitol and they have no footprint in Michigan and it's hard to see how an endorsment from Caleb Williams would attract any sort of target demographic.
But if they want to use Williams name, image, or likeness so much it shouldn't matter what school he is attending, the offer should stand wherever he is at.
Of course GameAbove Capitol was created by a team of EMU alum. So the only possible reason for the offer is because they want a high profile player to come to Eastern Michigan.
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Re: Someone clearly needs to reel in the NIL
Jan 6, 2022, 12:34 PM
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The NCAA cleaning up the mess they created is analogous to expecting the fox is going to stop eating the chickens after you invited him into the the hen-house for an all-you-can-eat buffet.
The NCAA has neither the brains, nor good judgement required to fix it.
It'll take a collective effort from P-5 universities to reign it in.
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Re: Someone clearly needs to reel in the NIL
Jan 6, 2022, 3:50 PM
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The NIL exists because the Supreme Court said student athletes have the right to earn money off of their NIL.
There is nothing that Colleges, football conferences or the NCAA can do to restrict or govern NIL.
This is the beginning of the end of college football as we have known and loved it for generations. Maybe the future of the sport will be better, I don’t know. It’ll certainly better for some of the student athletes who can actually make money, but as far as competitive landscape for the sport, I doubt it will be better.
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Re: Someone clearly needs to reel in the NIL
Jan 6, 2022, 4:27 PM
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College football has never been a level playing field. Do a Google search and look at the program s that have won a championship in the last 30 years. It's like 10 school s.
You think it's been "fair" for wake or Oregon state? Schools with about 20 to 30 Mill football Budget.
There no stopping it. The only way is not to play the super teams, but that won't even happen because it's a big payday for the smaller school.
Baseball tried this in the 90s. Buying a championship. It didn't work. Easy money just made players lazy. Same thing will happen in college football.
It's a bubble that will Burst when the championship is not delivered. Texas am won't be able to spend 30 Mill a year for players. It's not sustainable
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