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Head Coach [762]
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How close is gallman getting
Oct 15, 2015, 9:05 AM
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To elite RB status. I think he needs just needs 1 big game like a 200 plus yard 3 td game.
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He just needs to keep doing what he's doing... That other
Oct 15, 2015, 9:12 AM
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stuff will take care of itself.
And he'll secure his stronghold on his place on the depth chart.
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Was Andre Ellington considered elite?
Oct 15, 2015, 9:25 AM
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I'm not sure but Gallman is ahead of Ellington as a Sophomore.
Ellington in his sophomore year had 118 carries for 686 yards. Gallman, thus far, has 88 carries for 523 yards. He also had roughly twice the carries Andre had as a freshman at more than double the yardage.
Not an apples to apples comparison because of the respective depth charts, but it certainly gives you a rough idea of how Wayne stacks up.
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No, CJ Spiller was elite
Oct 15, 2015, 9:27 AM
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AE was very good
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Re: No, CJ Spiller was elite
Oct 15, 2015, 9:45 AM
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AE is an elite back he just can't stay on the field.
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Re: No, CJ Spiller was elite
Oct 15, 2015, 9:49 AM
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I disagree, because if AE was an Elite back he would've been immediately thrust back into the starting role when he was healthy enough to play.
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Re: No, CJ Spiller was elite
Oct 15, 2015, 9:52 AM
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He was and he is now in the NFL.
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Re: No, CJ Spiller was elite
Oct 15, 2015, 9:54 AM
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He was put back in the starting lineup the last 2 weeks after coming off of his injury? That'd be wrong...
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Re: No, CJ Spiller was elite
Oct 15, 2015, 10:01 AM
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Time frame you are talking about?
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Re: No, CJ Spiller was elite
Oct 15, 2015, 10:03 AM
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My statement was very clear....
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Re: No, CJ Spiller was elite
Oct 15, 2015, 12:53 PM
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You can't confuse him with depth charts...you know this.
According to his logic, AE was the starter after returning from injury.
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Re: No, CJ Spiller was elite
Oct 15, 2015, 2:24 PM
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Please point I were I said that?
I said he is an elite talent but stays banned up.
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Wrong again, he came back and the starter right now is
Oct 15, 2015, 10:01 AM
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Chris Johnson, with Andre bring #2 and David Johnson getting the goal line carries.
The point was, if Andre is elite, he would be the clear #1
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Re: Wrong again, he came back and the starter right now is***
Oct 15, 2015, 10:03 AM
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Which one?***
Oct 15, 2015, 10:06 AM
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Re: Wrong again, he came back and the starter right now is
Oct 15, 2015, 10:42 AM
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he played in 13 games each year that he was the featured back at Clemson, missing only 1 game over those 2 seasons....
you were obviously pointing out his injury problems in the NFL.
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Re: Wrong again, he came back and the starter right now is
Oct 15, 2015, 10:54 AM
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Yes since this is a college site and I started the tread talking about gallman a college back. Clearly I'm talking about backs in the nfl.
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Re: Wrong again, he came back and the starter right now is
Oct 15, 2015, 10:58 AM
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Firstly, you never specified in college.
You also said that he's an elite back in the NFL...HTH
Also, care to admit you were wrong about injuries holding him back in college and that he couldn't stay healthy in college?(since you were only referring to college now that you've been schooled again) He had one year where he was injured. Other than that in the 3 others combined he missed 1 game...
EDIT: my initial response was also to this post. "AE is an elite back he just can't stay on the field. "
That statement is clearly written in the present tense, not past tense(referring to college).
You said IS instead of WAS, and CAN'T instead of COULDN'T
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Re: Wrong again, he came back and the starter right now is
Oct 15, 2015, 11:14 AM
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Read intangibles....I pointed out he missed most of a season due to the toe injury.
He also played in all but 1 other game and had 2 great years to end his career at Clemson.
The injury bug hit him hard after his playing time at Clemson. Plain and Simple.
Missing 1 game in 3 years doesn't constitute your statement that "he can't stay healthy" unless you were referring to his time in the NFL.
So which is it?
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Re: Wait a minute, so first you said he is elite
Oct 15, 2015, 11:20 AM
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Yes talent wise an elite back just nagging injuries have keep him from reaching that.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [105914]
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So what you're saying is, he has the POTENTIAL to be
Oct 15, 2015, 11:28 AM
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an elite back.
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Re: So what you're saying is, he has the POTENTIAL to be
Oct 15, 2015, 11:30 AM
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which directly contradicts his statement that "He was and he is now in the NFL." in reference to AE's elite status.
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Well that's stupid.
Oct 15, 2015, 2:33 PM
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1) This should be a college discussion, not pro
2) Spiller is all of those things that people are saying about Ellington. He's never been a clear cut NFL starter (split carries with Jackson in Buffalo), he's just as injury prone as Ellington, and he didn't come back from injury to start this year either.
Ellington was a pretty elite RB in college and actually had better vision than Spiller, he just wasn't as versatile and couldn't impact the game in as many ways as Spiller could.
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Re: No, CJ Spiller was elite
Oct 15, 2015, 12:50 PM
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I thinking bringing CJ into a topic about WG is comparing apples to oranges. CJ was much more of an elusive back with break away speed. WG is much more of a power back with break away speed.
WG runs straight into people until something opens then he's gone. CJ was very good about making people miss then turning on the jets.
So to answer the question is WG an elite back? Not yet. Can he be. Absolutely. However, his performance is based a lot more on the blocking in front of him than CJ was.
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Re: By some he was.... (self-praise link alert)
Oct 15, 2015, 10:56 AM
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Yep, everyone like Ellington, but man were you wrong about DYE. Lol He just could never get it together.
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I was wrong about plenty but I never predicted Dye would
Oct 15, 2015, 11:02 AM
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do anything. I only said he may have a breakthrough.
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Re: Was Andre Ellington considered elite?
Oct 15, 2015, 1:38 PM
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If you extrapolate the numbers based on 5 vs. 12 games, then it works out to be 211 carries and 1255 yards in 12 games. Sound about right?
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Re: Was Andre Ellington considered elite?
Oct 15, 2015, 2:22 PM
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Plus you add in a championship game and a bowl or playoff game. It can really add up. Plus he didn't play a lot the first 2 games.
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He needs consistent high level output.***
Oct 15, 2015, 9:27 AM
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Re: How close is gallman getting
Oct 15, 2015, 9:41 AM
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College Elite or NFL draft Elite?
I love his running style and what he's accomplishing, but I don't think he'll ever be considered elite to a scout at the college or NFL level.
CJ was elite, JD was only borderline elite, AE was very good.
He reminds me of a Reggie Merriweather type player, with the exception that he's being given a bigger opportunity to succeed and he is definitely making the most of it.
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I think Andre Ellington is the best RB we've had in 15 years
Oct 15, 2015, 11:08 AM
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James Davis being number 2.
CJ number 3
Though CJ Spiller is the best all around athlete we have had.
Offensive lines are huge variables that can cloud the judgement of a good RB.
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Re: I think Andre Ellington is the best RB we've had in 15 years
Oct 15, 2015, 11:11 AM
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If we're talking PURE RB I think JD was the best.
AE and CJ were more all around athletes and bigger threats in the passing game.
JD before his senior year was a stud, hard nosed, pure RB. It was fun to watch him when he was at the top of his game.
But I'm a big back kind of guy. I've never cared much for dancing in the backfield, etc. I like one cut north/south bulldozers.
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Andre was the best at turning nothing into a 3 yard gain.
Oct 15, 2015, 11:18 AM
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He made the most efficient cuts I've ever seen from a Clemson RB. James Davis was also excellent at bursting towards extra yardage, and he was a lot stronger, but Ellington had the best pure RB quickness I've seen.
He hit the hole faster than JD. Spiller rarely hit the hole hard, though he still hit it harder than Jamie Harper.... who also turned out to be a good RB in his last season.
We are splitting hairs, because I can definately see the argument for JD, though I base my judgment on the ability to fall forward, to get 4 yards when there isn't anything and to turn a 5 yard gain into a 25 yard gain.
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Re: JD was never the same after his shoulder, which was
Oct 15, 2015, 3:19 PM
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Statistically his first 3 years were all very similar. He did have some drop off as a senior.
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he might have put up similar numbers, but he wasn't
Oct 15, 2015, 3:33 PM
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close to the same...He went down at first contact a lot more often as opposed to his ability to break several tackles a run pre-VT 06....the explosiveness was gone, regardless of what his numbers might say....If you want to think he was still borderline elite as a JR and SR, that's fine, but I'd rather have AE's JR and SR years
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Re: he might have put up similar numbers, but he wasn't
Oct 15, 2015, 3:38 PM
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you're blaming his shoulder and then say his explosiveness was gone?
What does your shoulder have to do with explosiveness?
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It puzzled me too, but it was unmistakable...either he
Oct 15, 2015, 3:55 PM
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wasn't going full speed anymore or he went down on first contact, but he certainly wasn't bursting through the hole or breaking tackles like he used to, that is inarguable, regardless of what the numbers say
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Re: he might have put up similar numbers, but he wasn't
Oct 15, 2015, 4:05 PM
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If your hurt your hesitate, if your hesitate you less explosive. AE just couldn't finish games. He would always pull a hamstring or Spain a ankle and have to sit. He is however a quick healer.
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Re: AE is a better RB than JD***
Oct 15, 2015, 3:25 PM
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At Clemson, statistically JD and AE are very similar in terms of total yards and YPC.
The difference for me is that AE only split carries/time with CJ for one year where JD did for 3 years. They also played primarily in 2 totally different offensive schemes.
Career stats at Clemson are as follows:
JD - 3881 yards at 5.15 ypc with 47 rushing TDs
AE - 3436 yards at 5.53 ypc with 33 rushing TDs
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I'd give the nod to JD if he hadn't gotten hurt, but he did
Oct 15, 2015, 3:44 PM
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most of his damage pre-VT 06...he was a monster before he got hurt, he was only "good" after that
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Re: I'd give the nod to JD if he hadn't gotten hurt, but he did
Oct 15, 2015, 3:48 PM
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He had 5 100+ yard games in '07, he had 6 total the 2 years prior...
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His most productive stretch was from the SCU game
Oct 15, 2015, 6:40 PM
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his FR season until he hurt his shoulder vs GT....those 10 games are easily better than anything he did in 07
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Re: His most productive stretch was from the SCU game
Oct 15, 2015, 7:01 PM
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Much like his brother. Fell of late after showing out.
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Gallman is an awesome back but he has hit his ceiling.
Oct 15, 2015, 11:06 AM
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His skillset is being fully utilized at this moment.
I wish Dye and Brooks would see more action because I happen to think they have a higher ceiling.
But it's hard to fault a coach for playing his best (right now) back. I think Gallman could share the load with out much dropoff though.
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"Hit his ceiling..."? Try again. Get back with it next year.
Oct 15, 2015, 11:13 AM
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Skip that. Get back with it by the end of this season.
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I'm not knocking him, he's already solid, but he's already
Oct 15, 2015, 11:19 AM
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doing everything he can. He is playing like Reggie did. And that is a huge compliment as far as I'm concerned.
What else do you expect from him? He's technically sound. He's not going to get any faster or stronger.
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Re: I'm not knocking him, he's already solid, but he's already
Oct 15, 2015, 11:21 AM
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He is gonna get much bigger and stronger.
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Re: I'm not knocking him, he's already solid, but he's already
Oct 15, 2015, 11:24 AM
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I don't think he's hit his ceiling yet, he's still learning how to play RB based on what the coaches have said in the past.
He's getting better and better and I expect that to continue throughout this season and potentially into next.
I also think people are confusing Elite Talent with Elite production in this thread. There is a big difference between the two. I assumed the OP was referring to talent, but I could be wrong.
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Just turned 21... "not going to get any faster or stronger"?
Oct 15, 2015, 11:27 AM
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He's already put on 15#s since he got here and is learning to slash when it's there and deliver the blow when it isn't... He'll continue to get stronger for several years, barring injury...
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Gaining weight past a certain point doesn't always make a
Oct 15, 2015, 11:33 AM
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better RB.
I think Gallman's current frame is ideal for speed and strength. I'm not saying that gaining another ten pounds won't make him harder to bring down but he already runs like a back who weighs 10 pounds more than he does.
Even if I'm right he's an awesome back who I would be perfectly happy leaning on for the rest of the season.
I just happen to think that Dye (depending on his injury) has more strength speed and burst to offer. That doesn't mean Dye will ever be as good as Gallman, but Gallman is playing out of his mind right now.
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Steady, consistent progress and protecting the ball...***
Oct 15, 2015, 11:37 AM
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Re: Gaining weight past a certain point doesn't always make a
Oct 15, 2015, 11:39 AM
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I have watched dye this year. He runs with very good pad level and strenght, but he has no burst it's gone. I think this coming spring will be big for his football future.
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I hope he gets it back. But either way we are good at the RB
Oct 15, 2015, 11:56 AM
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position.
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Re: Yes you are.
Oct 15, 2015, 11:50 AM
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I think people kinda see him as a JD type back. JD best years were his freshman and soph year he peaked.
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Re: Yes you are.
Oct 15, 2015, 11:52 AM
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and JD was hurt his junior year.
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Everybody has a ceiling. Sammy hit his his Freshman year.
Oct 15, 2015, 11:58 AM
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He was still one of the best 2 or 3 WR's we've ever had in 100 years. So it's not a knock.
Hitting your ceiling early just means you figured things out quicker.
And I'm not saying he doesn't have small growth to make. But we have seen what he is capable of. If you are expecting to be shocked by another breakthrough, I think you won't ever see it. Gallman has already broken through.
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Re: Everybody has a ceiling. Sammy hit his his Freshman year.
Oct 15, 2015, 12:02 PM
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Well I just think gallman isn't close to hitting his. I don't think he will hit it while at clemson. We may not see how good he is gonna be til he is in the nfl. He even looks young guy could pass for 17.
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Well I certainly hope you are right and I'm not.
Oct 15, 2015, 12:04 PM
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If Gallman 'isn't close' to his peak then he would likely end up being the best back in Clemson history. I don't see it, but that would obviously be great.
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Re: Well I certainly hope you are right and I'm not.
Oct 15, 2015, 12:12 PM
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I think his development will be small things from here, but add up to make him a lot better. Pass Pro, pass catching, strength at breaking tackles, hole vision. He has a lot of upside still. Keep in mind that right now there are some of the best backs I have seen in years with Fournette, Chubb before injury, the Pitt kid before he got hurt, and Booker from Utah, Davin Cook when he's not fighting a hammy or women folk. Some mighty high cotton. Still he's not as far down the list as some may think.
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Re: Well I certainly hope you are right and I'm not.
Oct 15, 2015, 12:26 PM
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I do. If this guy would have come in as a 5 star think people would be talking higher about him, but I think if he stays healthy we may consider him one of the best every to pay at clemson. Too me he is a mix between JD and AE but bigger than JD.
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Re: Usain Bolt was 23
Oct 15, 2015, 11:56 AM
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He is also 6'5 takes awhile for tall guys to peak, and jd was hurt GT game soph year never was the same. I really do think gallman will end up being better than JD was.
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Do you think everyone hits their ceiling at the same time?***
Oct 15, 2015, 12:00 PM
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Re: Gallman is an awesome back but he has hit his ceiling.
Oct 15, 2015, 11:14 AM
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I totally disagree that gallman has hit his ceiling. I think we are just now starting to see what he can do. He looks skinny at 215. I think by the time he leaves clemson he will be 225 and just an elite back.
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Re: How close is gallman getting
Oct 15, 2015, 11:23 AM
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Well gallman is very well at hanging on to the ball. Ball security is a huge deal. Id suspect by his Sr. Year he has a chance to be elite. And be drafted fairly high in Nfl.
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Yep... +1.***
Oct 15, 2015, 11:29 AM
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Re: How close is gallman getting
Oct 15, 2015, 11:30 AM
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I see gallmam being a 2nd Rd draft choice, and thats only because of how under valued the NFL sees RBs.
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Game Day Hero [4452]
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Gallman is getting better
Oct 15, 2015, 11:32 AM
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Every carry I think. It has helped some that the line is coming together, but he is learning more and I think that also speaks to TA's guidance. To say he has hit the ceiling, well I don't see it. For those that have turned this into the CJ/AE debate, I think they both had really nice careers at Clemson. CJ was probably the most dynamic athlete ever to be a Tiger along with Woody. AE was more pure RB with a nice wiggle, but played a lot bigger and frankly was a better between the tackle runner than CJ. Both have had realy nice careers, and frankly, draft status aside, you can make an argument thay AE has had a more productive NFL career thus far. I am with the one poster, I do believe that J. Davis is as good a back as we have had in recent years however as well. Kid was a beast, and was a perfect fit for those old Denver Run Schemes Terrel Davis made famous. One cut and go. Just was beat up by the time he was drafted. A few others I would argue as elite were TA, & T. Flagler.
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And I'm sorry, not to offend, BUT
Oct 15, 2015, 11:39 AM
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While I love seeing Brooks come in there for a change of pace, and hope he can turn it up and play lights out, why are we still hearing about Dye? I hope I'm wrong and may be, because I have not seen him a ton, but dang. I keep hearing these whispers of how great he is. I have yet to see him on the field do more than an occasional 3-4 yard carry, maybe a tad more in mop up. GA State game aside where Gallman or Brooks, maybe even Choice before injury would STILL be running. I'm not knocking the kid, but HS production can be tricky, his lines ability, scheme, and level of competition can all serve to make eye-popping numbers. Add in the injuries and the player skills in front and it's a tough road for him. Still, he has been a good student athlete from all I have seen and wish him well.
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Dye hasn't really had the opportunity***
Oct 15, 2015, 2:12 PM
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Re: How close is gallman getting
Oct 15, 2015, 12:21 PM
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I would prefer he just stay under the radar!......
And help us keep winning!!!!
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Just saying....
Oct 15, 2015, 3:41 PM
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I think as far as being recognized nationally as an elite BACK.
He's probably another year away. Most folks around the country
have NO clue who he is....but they will.
IMO
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