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Rival Killer [2602]
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So now we are signing 0 star linebackers?
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Dec 19, 2023, 4:30 PM
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Why? No way we are that desperate.
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Ring of Honor [23517]
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Actually he's UNrated by 3 of the services
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Dec 19, 2023, 4:32 PM
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Meaning, THEY NEVER RANKED HIM
However, the service that did take time to Rank him, Rivals, rated him a 3 Star.
He was also ALL Conference 1st team LB this year, but go on with your ignorant rant you POS
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Rival Killer [2602]
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Re: Actually he's UNrated by 3 of the services
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Dec 19, 2023, 5:39 PM
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I’m a pos because I don’t understand why Clemson is signing unrated recruits? Especially with the caliber of LBs we have. I’m not trying to be an ### hole. I just don’t get it.
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Orange Blooded [2575]
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Re: Actually he's UNrated by 3 of the services
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Dec 19, 2023, 5:43 PM
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He's a physical specimen . . and I "think" that must play into it. 6'3 and 220 as a HS kid. Gonna be a big boy!!
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Re: Actually he's UNrated by 3 of the services
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Dec 19, 2023, 5:46 PM
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He is calling you out bc you made a derogatory post about a Clemson commit saying he was a zero star recruit and that's not true. 247 and Rivals have him as a 3 star....just get your facts straight before trashing someone
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110%er [3764]
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Re: Actually he's UNrated by 3 of the services
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Dec 21, 2023, 10:51 AM
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Why would you even reply to someone who clearly has mental health issues? This poster called you an ignorant pos for an internet post, just calls a complete stranger an ignorant pos. I’d love too see that face to face. Don’t give someone like that the courtesy.
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Ring of Honor [23517]
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Don't need your courtesy.
Dec 27, 2023, 8:55 AM
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LOL, Ignorant people talk about recruits they don't know personally, but you get OFFENDED by them being called out ? LOL
What I have, is no problem calling things like they are, no matter , the time ,place, or circumstance. Your courtesy doesn't even register in it.
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Letterman [186]
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Re: Actually he's UNrated by 3 of the services
Dec 26, 2023, 7:07 PM
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He was injured and transferred so there was little film on him. The staff recieved a tip on him just like ETN.
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Orange Phenom [14676]
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Re: So now we are signing 0 star linebackers?
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Dec 19, 2023, 5:13 PM
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He jumped to 3 stars on 247 after he committed to Clemson.
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Sammy Brown is that good
Dec 19, 2023, 5:36 PM
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Barret Carter is back Khalil Barnes Shaw (Hoover Alabama recruit) Jamal Anderson the Woodazs and a few more i'm sure i missed and who knows who else will end up signing
like if y'all think we actually need an LB lol
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Orange Blooded [3624]
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Re: Sammy Brown is that good
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Dec 19, 2023, 5:39 PM
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We definitely do. Its huge need.
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All-TigerNet [5716]
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maybe . but i just think there is a lot of fear going around
Dec 19, 2023, 5:42 PM
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i expect this constant rotation of players to stop and for players to stay in the field more
that's just the bet i'd place on what defense is looking like moving forward
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Orange Blooded [3624]
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Re: maybe . but i just think there is a lot of fear going around
Dec 19, 2023, 5:48 PM
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Its about the future. We are in need.
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No it's not
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Carter, Woodaz, Brown, Anderson and Crayton are all long and athletic. All 4 or 5 stars except Woodaz who I believe has proven he belongs. Anderson and Crayton would have played alot in most years as freshmen if Trotter and Carter had not eaten up most of the snaps
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Dec 19, 2023, 5:41 PM
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Barnes moved to linebacker?
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All-TigerNet [5716]
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maybe he plays nickel . dude is just all over the middle
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Dec 19, 2023, 5:44 PM
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and removes the need for a 3rd LB 100% of the time
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Athletic Dir [889]
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Dec 21, 2023, 10:32 AM
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I would not be surprised to see Barnes in that Star, Bandit, Hybrid role that Simmons perfected. I think he could be that guy. He's not straight line fast but he knows how to read, react and cover ground.
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Orange Blooded [3624]
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Re: So now we are signing 0 star linebackers?
Dec 19, 2023, 5:38 PM
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Talking the dude from MD? He is 3 star. Did miss another?
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Orange Blooded [3624]
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Re: So now we are signing 0 star linebackers?
Dec 19, 2023, 5:39 PM
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I see tons of potential watching his film.
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Orange Phenom [14676]
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Dec 19, 2023, 5:52 PM
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You do know many of these kids spend thousands of $s at sponsored camps to get rated higher? Then you have some (like TL) that are for real. That's what a good recruiter does, sorts the B.S. from the facts.
I believe he will be a big part of the Tiger defense in a couple years.
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Re: So now we are signing 0 star linebackers?
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Dec 19, 2023, 8:35 PM
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Yeah, don't you think we should just subscribe to these recruiting rags and just recruit 4 and 5 stars. No need for our coaching staff to evaluate talent or vet players. Just stay off the road and let their fingers do the walking through the all knowing computer star grantors.
Do you honestly think the coaching staff would recruit him if they didn't see any potential talent in this kid?
Every team does this. They round out their roster with guys that they didn't have rated as highly as others, but have seen enough potential to take the shot.
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Ring of Honor [23517]
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I remember Bobby Bowden saying that's when FSU took a dive
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Dec 19, 2023, 9:10 PM
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Said they started using the Recruiting services more ,instead of doing their OWN evaluations.
These "back up" offers have been scouted by this staff. They just didn't "hear" about them days before we did LOL
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Re: So now we are signing 0 star linebackers?
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Dec 19, 2023, 9:03 PM
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Did feel that way about muse?.. Simmons?.... Wade Woodaz?....
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Ring of Honor [23517]
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The Davis Twins, and who as that 3 star that kept Tony The Tiger
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Dec 19, 2023, 9:11 PM
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on the bench ?
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Re: The Davis Twins, and who as that 3 star that kept Tony The Tiger
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Dec 19, 2023, 9:12 PM
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Tig Willard?...
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Asst Coach [871]
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Re: So now we are signing 0 star linebackers?
Dec 19, 2023, 9:11 PM
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Well, we regularly sign unrated band members.
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That is nothing new. Some have entered via the "Freinds and Family Plan " but you seem to always hear the same thing about them.." they're ballers, smart, tough, gritty, grinders " which basically means not much speed or very limited athletic skills.
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Dec 19, 2023, 9:26 PM
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It’s unreal how some of you try to claim every kid is an “under the radar steal”. Then some of you point to Hunter Renfrow. Then some of you just back the staff no matter what.
This kid may very well turn out to be a good player. He may even turn out to be elite but the chances are small. Yall can tell yourself the recruiting services are all about money and politics and blah blah blah.
Recruits like this would never get a Georgia offer… or Alabama… or Ohio St. That’s the level we were playing on just 3 short years ago. Yet here we are 3 years later with an 8-4 record… barely ranked inside the top 25 and playing in a bowl game that doesn’t matter whatsoever.
Yet Alabama/Georgia/Ohio St keep churning out the wins and top 5-10 rankings and playoff berths. Yall wonder why we have dropped off yet the answer is in your face… most of you just refuse to admit it bc Dabo and his staff can do no wrong in your eyes. Every choice they make is the right one and if anyone disagrees… it’s “coot coot coot”.
It’s very obvious why we’ve dropped off and this will continue. Going forward we are a 7-9 win team year in and year out. Hey if yall can claim this kid will be great then I can certainly claim we’re a 7-9 win program going forward.
Reading David Hoods post earlier about how Dabo isn’t going to play the “fill in the amount” game… well that’s fine. But don’t b*tch when we’re not ever making the playoffs or when we make it once in a while and we’re one and done.
I don’t like it any more than anyone else and I fully agree with those that think it’s ruining this great game we all love but the bottom line is this… that’s the way the game is being played today. You either got to get on board and play the game or you’re going to be left behind and in the dust very quickly. As long we continue to put culture ahead of doing what’s necessary… we will be a middle of the road barely inside the top 25 program.
Some of you will be ok with that but others like myself will not. Unfortunately for us… we don’t get to make those decisions… Dabo does. But if he continues to churn out 7-9 wins every year then why the h*ll are we paying him over 11 million a year? I’m sorry but that’s a terrible ROI when we could use that money to support other programs at the school if we’re not going to be serious about football.
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Re: So now we are signing 0 star linebackers?
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Dec 19, 2023, 9:45 PM
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Thank you Tyler, er I mean Tiger Rag. You really lose your credibility lumping in Ohio State into your argument. They have not won a Natty since 2014, where UGA, Bama, and Clemson have won multiple titles. They have lost to their only real competition in their league for the last 3 years and have to rely on media hype to back their way into the playoffs most years if they get in at all. The year they managed to beat us they played 6 COVID games against nobodies while we played 10, even with FSU chickening out of playing us at the last minute. They are 1-3 against us if I recall correctly. Ryan Day was born on 3rd base with Urban's players and thinks he hit a triple.
But to your point, nobody really knows how this kid or any kid is going to turn out. So it comes down to who you trust. Most of us trust Dabo, because he has a clear track record of success, and has the second best record of any college coach in the last decade even including the last 2 years. Obviously, you trust the clickbait player rating systems and the SEC/Big Ten hype more.
That's fine. Keep hating on Dabo. I'm sure you're smarter about winning football than he is. And he is worth every penny he is being paid with the prestige and money he has brought to Clemson University. And I'm sure you would turn down big bucks if you were one of the top 2 in the country at your profession.
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Paw Master [17844]
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Re: So now we are signing 0 star linebackers?
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Dec 19, 2023, 10:09 PM
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lol I lost lose credibility by mentioning Ohio St? Are you kidding me bro?
They were literally 11-0 and one win away from the playoffs. They lost to Georgia what 42-40 in a semi final game just 1 year ago. You really think they’re not on Georgia and Alabamas level?
So what they haven’t won a title since 2014. They’re right there every year like we used to be. You lose all credibility by crying and whining and making excuses for why they beat our @ss in that Sugar Bowl when we had the #1 overall pick at QB for us. They played fewer games so they had an advantage? Gtfo of here with that BS.
You can keep trusting Dabo all you want but we’re on a steady decline over the last 3 years. Go ahead and point to that ACC title last year. That’s on the same level as a playoff berth or national title isn’t it?
No Dabo is not worth every penny he makes. Winning that last title was 5 years ago which might as well be a lifetime ago. College football has changed drastically since that last title. It’s no coincidence we have fell off since NIL and the transfer portal. Maybe it’s bc we refuse to use it.
It’s amazing to me we claim to have tried in the portal but couldn’t get not even 1 of those 3 we offered on campus for a visit. Go ahead and mention the kid in the car wreck. S*it happens but he still didn’t make the visit. I honestly believe Dabo just wants it to “appear” he’s trying to use the portal to shut everyone up. He doesn’t actually want to use it but he knows he can’t keep ignoring it bc the fans are getting louder every year we don’t. So he just wants the appearance of effort in the portal.
Again… the kid may turn out to be a star but the chances are small. It’s not about the recruiting services and stars bro. Look at the kids offers. Why doesn’t he have a Pitt offer? Maryland? Virginia? VT? Rutgers? WV? All those are mid tier to below average programs and the kid is right in their recruiting footprint yet… nothing from any of them. But you somehow think Dabo is just better at evaluating than any other coach on any of those staffs? Dabo is just that d@mn good huh?
Keep on with the blind loyalty while we continue to fall back into mediocrity or above average program while Ohio St keeps churning out 1st round picks and competing for playoff berths.
The recruiting services aren’t the be all end all but they’re pretty solid all things considered. This kid wasn’t even on the radar not just for the services but for any of the mediocre programs surrounding his location. Yet we think he’s good enough to be on school at Clemson. Just wow…
It’s fine to take a guy like this or even a couple every now and then if you miss on your top targets… but when 15-20 of these type of kids are on your roster taking up schollys… you’re not going to compete with or much less beat the Georgia’s/Alabamas/Ohio Sts of the world.
Watch what Georgia does to us to start next season. It isn’t going to be pretty. Then you and the rest of the cult will be right here on the board screaming and crying… “what the h*ll has happened to us”. These types of recruits are your answer.
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Paw Master [17844]
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Re: So now we are signing 0 star linebackers?
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Dec 19, 2023, 10:41 PM
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Just last season we were literally 10-1 and one win away from the playoffs. Yeah, way back when.
As barely a Top 25 football program budget, Dabo hasn't had us ranked worse than that at season's end once since 2010, even during this down stretch. Obviously he's performed loads better than that on average over that span. He is one of if not THE best value as a Head Coach in this sport to accomplish what he does considering the resources we have at hand.
You can cry about blind loyalty and cultism in folks, but the reality is most of us just don't panic and lose our #### when we hit a rough patch. ####, our D just pulled off a #1 ranked season - championship level. Is that a downward trend? And you and others are bitching about how we recruit there these past five years?
Pshaw!
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All-American [565]
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The cult is alive and well.
Yeah we were 1 win away and we lost to who again? Oh yeah that’s right a very middling SC team. Our arch rivals. We may as well have been a galaxy away from the playoffs. We lost to anybody with a pulse we played last year.
Thank God we didn’t make it bc it would have looked how Georgia made TCU look.
Yep blind loyalty… who cares our defense was ranked #1. It translated to an 8-4 record bro. 8-4 is 8-4 no matter what the defense ranked.
When we needed a stop against FSU… we gave it up. When we needed a stop against Miami… we gave it up.
Bottom line is this team is no where near as talented as we were in playoff runs and we have no generational talent at QB to cover it up.
Like I say… yall can think and believe what you want. Yall can follow Dabo wherever you want. You can post stats and where this ranked or that ranked but bottom line… we’re on a steady decline. Some of yall really think we’re a playoff contender next year but we’re not. We will win 7-9 games just like we did this year.
Some of you act like we’re playing a gauntlet of a schedule and that’s the reason for the drop off but we’re not. Georgia is going to drill us and then we’ll see why yall are saying.
Man I’d love to be wrong and I’d love to come back and eat the humble pie and yall can throw any shot at me and I’ll take it.
We are what we are and we are nowhere close to what we were 5 years ago. I can’t believe you even said our defense ranked #1. Seriously who gives a s*it about that? I’ll gladly trade and be ranked where Michigan/Alabama/Texas/Washington are defensively bc we’d be in the playoffs and they’d be singing they were ranked #1 on defense and playing in a meaningless bowl game.
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Paw Master [17844]
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Re: So now we are signing 0 star linebackers?
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Dec 19, 2023, 11:14 PM
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Dude. Not appreciating that our D is #1 today in this whole shebang is confusing considering that's been our foundation for, ever? Clemson D, dog. Why the dis like this?
I choose not to panic is all, and trust those that have run and are running this program since Dabo took over. Pure and simple. As a Clemson grad my maths are pretty good on this one. I'm looking forward to bringing the fury versus Kentucky in the Gator and everything in between then and kicking off versus Georgia to start next season and beyond.
Portal. Don't portal. Noodle. Don't noodle. It's weird seeing folks rail on off-the-radar D pick-ups and point to our losses as proof that Dabo is letting the game pass him by or getting desperate, yet one whole half of our roster and coaching staff is absolutely man-crushing it in efficiency and performance over all others. So all of this missing out stuff, along with all the psychobabble many like to analyze the staff with alongside, only has an impact on Offense, including I guess our PK. The D's punter has been lights out this year. ?
Happy Holidays!
Go Tigers!
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Athletic Dir [1154]
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The problem is that you have this fantasy that it's just because Dabo's too stubborn to use the portal. You think there some easy fix, and we just aren't doing it.
The truth is, it's simply harder to be elite at Clemson that it is at Georgia, or Alabama, or Ohio St. That's the simple truth.
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Yeah thats typically been Dabos M.O.
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Doing things just to get outside influences to shut up.SMH! I guess his mantra of not listening to folks he wouldn’t seek advice from is to throw all but the smartest of dudes like yourself off the trail😂
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Another 0 ⭐️ post!
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Clemson Icon [27583]
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Great coaches
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Dec 21, 2023, 9:36 AM
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Sometimes see things in a young players that others don’t!!!
Difficult for me to second guess coach Swinney. But I’m a weirdo.
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a moderator.
Thank you for being a part of the Tnet community.
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Re: This account has been flagged and is now being monitored by...
Dec 26, 2023, 5:05 PM
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How many stars did Renfro have.?
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Game Changer [1627]
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Re: So now we are signing 0 star linebackers?
Dec 26, 2023, 7:16 PM
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Zero star fans??? Clemson has those!!!!
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Re: So now we are signing 0 star linebackers?
Dec 26, 2023, 7:38 PM
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Lol, what can you possibly know? Gaines Adams was a 2star recruit and a nobody. Hunter Renfrow was a walk on, and I would argue we would not have our last two national championships without him.
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Orange Blooded [2259]
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In you evaluation, how many stars should he have?
Dec 27, 2023, 10:00 AM
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How did you come to that conclusion? How much tape did you watch? Did you see some flaws that can't be corrected? What do you project his size to be in a couple of years. Anxious to learn. Thanks
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