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So far, the shooter fits a common profile...
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Jul 15, 2024, 9:55 AM
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Young white male, mostly a loner, was bullied some, ate lunch by himself, was extremely interested in guns, and was seen as very smart by his schoolmates.
Then, we have the fact that he registered as a Republican in 2022, but gave a whopping $15 to a blue voter turnout group back in 2021 (when he was still in high school).
And authorities haven't yet been able to find anything about his motives from online activity (emphasis on yet), and they're trying to get into his phone.
So far, this smells like a classic case of "young guy loner with guns" syndrome.
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Re: So far, the shooter fits a common profile...
Jul 15, 2024, 9:59 AM
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Well it does seem odd that they are so confident he acted alone yet can't get into the one thing that would do the most to confirm or refute that statement.
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Re: So far, the shooter fits a common profile...
Jul 15, 2024, 10:00 AM
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I think he wanted to assassinate Trump, but I'm just spitballing here.
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Re: So far, the shooter fits a common profile...
Jul 15, 2024, 10:05 AM
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Right? It’s that simple
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Re: So far, the shooter fits a common profile...
Jul 15, 2024, 10:11 AM
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The guy didn't go shoot up a school. He was on top of a building with a rifle with a target in sight.
Now, I don't know for sure, but I'll make another bold prediction. The shooter was mentally ill.
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Re: So far, the shooter fits a common profile...
Jul 15, 2024, 10:13 AM
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most likely had been smoking the devils cabbage
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Pretty certain if he was then there wouldn't have been an assassination
Jul 15, 2024, 10:18 AM
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attempt at all. Weed would've helped this mentally ill person chill.
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Re: Pretty certain if he was then there wouldn't have been an assassination
Jul 15, 2024, 10:19 AM
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he missed because he was too relaxed
lost focus
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He missed because a split second before the shot Trump turned his head***
Jul 15, 2024, 10:20 AM
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Re: Pretty certain if he was then there wouldn't have been an assassination
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Jul 15, 2024, 10:36 AM
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You might be on to something here. I mean, they are about the best stress squeezies you can find.
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Yeah, you got it right there, Sherlock....
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Jul 15, 2024, 11:20 AM
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I think the question before us is "why?"....
And that's still to be determined. When Dave DePape tried to bash Paul Pelosi's skull in, we found out the "why". When James Hodgkinson tried to murder Republican Senators, we found out the "why". When Jared Loughner tried to murder Gabby Giffords, we found out the "why".
There still isn't a known "why" in this one.
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Re: Yeah, you got it right there, Sherlock....
Jul 15, 2024, 11:25 AM
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I think you need some squeezies
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I don't know what that means, nor do I. But whatever****
Jul 15, 2024, 11:32 AM
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Re: I don't know what that means, nor do I. But whatever****
Jul 15, 2024, 11:40 AM
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Just a little levity in the thread
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Sure, whatever....
Jul 15, 2024, 12:39 PM
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I am curious what they find. It would shocking to me if they searched his computer and/or phone and came up with nothing that might indicate what is driving this.
Shooters in today's world often leave a "manifesto". Some of them leave a long internet trail on hate websites like 4Chan or 8Chan. Was this guy involved with Antifa or something like that? There would seem to be an info trail somehow.
Find out what this guy was reading or writing, and we'll probably find a likely motive.
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Re: Sure, whatever....
Jul 15, 2024, 1:42 PM
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No, I get it. It would be interesting to know the details.
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Re: So far, the shooter fits a common profile...
Jul 15, 2024, 10:19 AM
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What is it going to take to keep kids that look like that from getting access to ARs and shooting up public places?
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Re: So far, the shooter fits a common profile...
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Jul 15, 2024, 10:21 AM
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fake news
not a kid
was not interested in shooting up a public place, just trump
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Re: So far, the shooter fits a common profile...
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Jul 15, 2024, 10:22 AM
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I can’t tell if you’re trolling this morning or if you’ve gone full MK Ultra here
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Re: So far, the shooter fits a common profile...
Jul 15, 2024, 10:24 AM
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i dont use devils cabbage unless i am trolling
suckerkrazy swallowed the hook lol
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Oculus Spirit [82355]
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Woah, what a gotcha you threw out there, really really got me
Jul 15, 2024, 10:25 AM
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when I made a joke back about it. Phew.
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Re: So far, the shooter fits a common profile...
Jul 15, 2024, 10:38 AM
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the gun control narritive only took 2 days to bubble up
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Re: So far, the shooter fits a common profile...
Jul 15, 2024, 10:48 AM
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I’m as pro-gun ownership as I think anyone can be. Irresponsible gun owners infringe upon my right to own and use guns.
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Re: So far, the shooter fits a common profile...
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Jul 15, 2024, 10:40 AM
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What’s your point? Does he look less like a social reject virgin genetic lottery losing video game obsessed pillow humping loser in this picture? If your kid looks like this and you even entertain the idea of having guns in your house, you’re culpable for whatever they do.
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Re: So far, the shooter fits a common profile...
Jul 15, 2024, 11:36 AM
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looks like JHop
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No, no...somebody said Trump was Hitler, so that's what caused
Jul 15, 2024, 10:21 AM
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him to snap.
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Re: No, no...somebody said Trump was Hitler, so that's what caused
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No, no, no. He didn't snap. He was defending the country from fascism.
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Re: No, no...somebody said Trump was Hitler, so that's what caused
Jul 15, 2024, 10:43 AM
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“March peacefully and patriotically to the capitol” is a dog whistle for hundreds of people to break in the place but there’s no way that “Trump is Hitler” and “Trump is an existential threat to our nation” could possibly influence someone unstable to attempt something terrible.
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That's a bit selective. How about "We fight like hell. And if you don't fight
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Jul 15, 2024, 10:49 AM
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like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore."
If you're part of a lathered up crowd that has been told for the past year that the election was going to be stolen and then that the election actually WAS stolen...gee, I wonder how that should be interpreted?
We can certainly review all of the times Trump and the people in his immediate orbit have called for actual violence, but sure, "Trump is Hitler" and "Trump is the end of democracy" are the things that push people over the edge. That's impressively partisan.
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I agree with that. Nothing partisan about it.
Jul 15, 2024, 10:51 AM
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Your post is the one that read as if it was beyond the absurd.
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Re: I agree with that. Nothing partisan about it.
Jul 15, 2024, 10:55 AM
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Re: I agree with that. Nothing partisan about it.
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It almost seems like it's pushback at this point from some folks I've seen on the Internet and in the media. Like that's the last thing the guy could be thinking. 'He wanted to stop Donald Trump from being President because he thought Trump was a fascist' is way down on the list of possibilities. I mean, "HE WAS A REGISTERED REPUBLICAN."
Now, I'm not in the guy's head, so I don't really know. But, I don't think he wanted Trump to become President. Maybe he just didn't like orange hair.
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Re: I agree with that. Nothing partisan about it.
Jul 15, 2024, 12:03 PM
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You can’t rationalize irrational behavior, despite it being human instinct to try.
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Re: I agree with that. Nothing partisan about it.
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That's the thing. It may not have been irrational.
Trump's a fascist. I'm a patriot and I must do something to stop this.
I don't know if that was the thought process, but I think it's quite possible. While it takes some crazy dust sprinkled in to go through with the act, it's not irrational.
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Re: I agree with that. Nothing partisan about it.
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Calling Trump Hitler is irrational. Behaving like the country ends forever if he gets elected is irrational. If we start with irrationality why would we be surprised if we get irrational results?
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Re: I agree with that. Nothing partisan about it.
Jul 15, 2024, 12:27 PM
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Like I said, you can’t rationalize irrational behavior
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Nice slogan but its just not true.
Jul 15, 2024, 12:46 PM
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Most serious crimes are irrational by societal norms but law enforcement doesn’t just throw their hands up and say “Guess there’s no need to search for a motive on this one “
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Re: Nice slogan but its just not true.
Jul 15, 2024, 12:51 PM
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I guess I mean it’s not always possible to shoehorn motive in where it may not exist. I’m not pretending to know either way with this little weirdo, but I don’t think there’s going to be a satisfying answer.
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If we ever know...then what?
Jul 15, 2024, 12:51 PM
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1/2 the people won't believe it anyway.
There's ALWAYS a more convoluted answer. No coincidences, amiright NJDEV6®
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Re: If we ever know...then what?
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Good point, this is a forum where more than one person believes Sandy Hook was a false flag event
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This whole thing is weird to me, reaction-wise.
Jul 15, 2024, 1:13 PM
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Regardless of what you think about Trump, this is one of most significant and disturbing events to happen at this level of government since Reagan, and within an hour of it happening we have a guy posting "BUT PEOPLE MADE GAY JOKES ABOUT PAUL PELOSI!!!". I mean, it seems like this isn't something you really "yeah, but did you hear about?". It seems like it has an order of magnitude about it to be discussed by itself.
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Man, that Pelosi comment really triggered you, didn't it?....
Jul 15, 2024, 1:24 PM
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It wasn't "people" who were making jokes about a potentially deadly attack on the Speaker of the House (2nd in line to president)....it was actual GOP leaders (Ted Cruz, Donald Trump himself, others) who were mocking Pelosi. Instead of reaching out to her and seeing how her husband was doing and showing some morsel of human concern, they were making fun of him (and her).
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Yes, it was a blatant and ridiculous whatabout, and you seem to
Jul 15, 2024, 1:31 PM
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really have planted your flag on it.
I'm trying to picture anyone behaving this way decades ago. Like when Reagan got shot, you would have been screaming "DID YOU MAKE FUN OF JIMMY CARTER WHEN HE HAD HEMORRHOID SURGERY????"
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Re: Yes, it was a blatant and ridiculous whatabout, and you seem to
Jul 15, 2024, 1:39 PM
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Paul Pelosi didn't have hemorrhoid surgery. He was nearly bludgeoned to death by a Trump supporter who intended to attack his wife.
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Yes, and much like Carter's surgery,
Jul 15, 2024, 1:43 PM
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it's an order of magnitude different from a former President and current candidate getting hit by a bullet and a death in the crowd. It's a bizarre comp for a whatabout.
It's cool though, I later saw that comment all over twitter so I know that's where Smitty got it from. I feel better about him that it wasn't an original thought he came up with.
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Holy Smokes, now you're mocking it, too....
Jul 15, 2024, 1:44 PM
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Pelosi almost got his brains bashed in by a nut-case who was politically motivated, and targeting the Speaker of the House.
I finally understand you now. You buy into the jokes/mocking.
You're literally doing it yourself. Effin' nutjob.
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LOL, nice reach. You're terrible at this.***
Jul 15, 2024, 1:46 PM
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LOL. OK, let's put it this way:
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When someone gets their skull intentionally fractured by a hammer, and needs months/years to recover, that's a tad bit more serious than a hemorrhoid surgery. Dont'cha think?
Look, you're making the argument that words matter. That what people say about Trump matters. That the environment that we're in matters. Well, part of that environment is people making fun of and mocking victims of attempted political murder...
And I'm sorry for calling you an "effin' nutjob". I don't actually think you're crazy. But your joke about hemorrhoids was completely off the mark at best.
And for the record, I do not and have never thought that Trump is Hitler. I do think he's an authoritarian, and he is a threat to our Democracy. However, the way to defeat him is at the ballot box, not with bullets.
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I forgive you. Look at it this way
Jul 15, 2024, 2:04 PM
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Along the same lines I could have brought up the Kavanaugh assassination plot. I didn’t. Why? it’s somewhat relevant, I could have? Because it’s a distraction to the topic at hand and muddies the water for any discussion we could have.
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No, actually bringing up Kavanaugh doesn't muddy the waters....
Jul 15, 2024, 4:10 PM
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You should've brought it up earlier.
Plotting to kill a SCOTUS Judge is an extremely important case, and there's nothing funny about it. There's nothing to joke about or to mock.
I could've brought up the same about the Cesar Sayoc case, too.
We're lucky that these people usually aren't successful in their ultimate aims. The last thing we need to do is to make it sound like it was nothing and have a laugh at the victim's expense.
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Re: So far, the shooter fits a common profile...
Jul 15, 2024, 11:06 AM
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look at that
trump got shot
trump fault
its magic
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Progressive?***
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I eat lunch by myself almost every day.
Jul 15, 2024, 11:42 AM
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Who knew?
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Re: I eat lunch by myself almost every day.
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Just did it again.
Jul 15, 2024, 1:25 PM
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***spooky***
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Re: So far, the shooter fits a common profile...
Jul 15, 2024, 12:28 PM
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Saw somewhere the shooter was bullied in HS for wearing a mask way after everyone else stopped. Interpret from that whatever you want about his political leanings.
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Re: So far, the shooter fits a common profile...
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Where is "somewhere"? One of his classmates said on the record that he was "definitely conservative".
He definitely was conservative,” Max R. Smith told The Philadelphia Inquirer of Thomas Crooks. “It makes me wonder why he would carry out an assassination attempt on the conservative candidate.” Smith shared an American history class with Crooks, and remembered a mock debate where their teacher made students stand on one side of the classroom or another to signal their allegiance. “The majority of the class were on the liberal side, but Tom, no matter what, always stood his ground on the conservative side,” Smith said.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-rally-gunman-thomas-crooks-was-definitely-conservative-classmate-recalls
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I also saw where another student said the shooter expressed "right-leaning"....
Jul 15, 2024, 12:46 PM
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political views in one of their classes.
BTW, my mother is a hardcore Trumper, and she wore masks for many months after the CDC relaxed guidance on masks, and many months after I stopped wearing them. I don't think mask-wearing means someone is "right" or "left".
From what we know so far, there is nothing obvious about his politics that would point to this type of outcome. I think once they find out what he was reading or writing on his phone or computer, we'll know.
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Re: I also saw where another student said the shooter expressed "right-leaning"....
Jul 15, 2024, 2:31 PM
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How does a hardcore Trumper raise a stand up guy like you?
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Re: I also saw where another student said the shooter expressed "right-leaning"....
Jul 15, 2024, 2:38 PM
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A lot of "hardcore Trumpers" used to be relatively normal people. Obama's election broke their brains, kinda like Trump broke a lot of liberals' brains.
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She became a Trumper after switching to mostly watching Fox News...
Jul 15, 2024, 3:54 PM
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I wish I was making that up, as it so fits the usual pattern. But in her case, it's what happened.
She and I get along fine though, in case you're wondering. We don't talk about politics. We have plenty of other stuff to fill the day.
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Re: Does any 20 y/o really have any "political leanings"
Jul 15, 2024, 5:10 PM
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THANK YOU
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This post is why there will be no healing or unity for the US.***
Jul 15, 2024, 1:41 PM
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Re: So far, the shooter fits a common profile...
Jul 15, 2024, 2:22 PM
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Are you at all open to the possibility that he thought Trump was a fascist and needed to be taken out?
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Well, of course I am...
Jul 15, 2024, 3:11 PM
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At this point, I have been surprised that no obvious political motive has yet been found. But we're only two days into this.
Are you open to the possibility that he didn't shoot Trump because he was a fascist and needed to be taken out?
John Hinckley shot Ronald Reagan because of some strange fascination with Jodi Foster.
Anything is possible.
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Re: Well, of course I am...
Jul 15, 2024, 3:56 PM
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I'm open to whatever the truth is, and we don't completely know that.
It just seems like there are a lot of people in the last couple of days who seem to want to deflect from an obvious possibility.
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