|
Should we be concerned about our defense.
|
Replies: 46
| visibility 5970
|
Letterman [162]
TigerPulse: 44%
12
|
Should we be concerned about our defense.
2
4
Oct 20, 2024, 3:43 PM
|
|
The last NCAA ranking has us ranked 53 in total defense. Y’all happy with that?
For a top 10 team with a leading offense, D will be our downfall against Pitt or Miami.
Who have played that’s any good since the Georgia game?
|
|
|
|
 |
Clemson Icon [24364]
TigerPulse: 100%
54
Posts: 18130
Joined: 2000
|
Re: Should we be concerned about our defense.
4
Oct 20, 2024, 3:46 PM
|
|
This is my concerned look...👻
|
|
|
|
|
|
Clemson Sports Icon [54678]
TigerPulse: 100%
59
Posts: 44024
Joined: 2004
|
Because our opponents are so average and the mop-up crew gets significant
6
6
Oct 20, 2024, 3:47 PM
|
|
playing time, that impacts our total-defense ranking.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Letterman [162]
TigerPulse: 44%
12
|
Re: Because our opponents are so average and the mop-up crew gets significant
Oct 20, 2024, 3:49 PM
|
|
That’s true.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Clemson Sports Icon [54678]
TigerPulse: 100%
59
Posts: 44024
Joined: 2004
|
Jerk face Tony Elliot kept his starters in and marched right down the field on
Oct 20, 2024, 3:51 PM
|
|
our third stringers for a TD, and then went for 2…and attempted an onside kick.
The game was over. He knew we subbed. ###, Tony?
|
|
|
|
|
|
Game Changer [1880]
TigerPulse: 97%
31
|
Re: Jerk face Tony Elliot kept his starters in and marched right down the field on
1
Oct 20, 2024, 4:05 PM
|
|
You play to win the game.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Clemson Sports Icon [54678]
TigerPulse: 100%
59
Posts: 44024
Joined: 2004
|
The game was over. At that point, he had lost.***
1
Oct 20, 2024, 5:16 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-Pro [724]
TigerPulse: 99%
22
|
Re: Jerk face Tony Elliot kept his starters in and marched right down the field on
Oct 20, 2024, 8:11 PM
[ in reply to Jerk face Tony Elliot kept his starters in and marched right down the field on ] |
|
They weren't going to just quit playing and give up, regardless of whether or not they had a realistic chance of coming back. I would hope Dabo would do the same thing in that situation and keep fighting showing the players to never give up.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ring of Honor [22026]
TigerPulse: 100%
53
Posts: 14292
Joined: 1995
|
|
|
|
|
|
110%er [3885]
TigerPulse: 100%
35
|
Re: Such a BS excuse. We have been doing this for many years.
3
Oct 20, 2024, 8:46 PM
|
|
Nope I disagree. We haven’t done it in YEARS. We couldn’t because were have rarely been ahead by this much for the last 3-4 yrs
Back when we started blowing people out in ‘15/16 our reserves took their lumps too. But over time those reserves got better and locked up opponents which in turn allowed the kids behind them to get in. It fed upon itself, a snowball if you will.
That cycle got broken in the DJ years and we are almost starting over again with building real true depth with actual game experience
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-Conference [436]
TigerPulse: 53%
17
|
Re: Such a BS excuse. We have been doing this for many years.
Oct 21, 2024, 11:05 AM
|
|
DJU cursed Clemson, and now he is cursing FSU. They may well finish 4-8, after all the Top Ten accolades they got in pre-season.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rival Killer [3086]
TigerPulse: 100%
33
|
Re: Such a BS excuse. We have been doing this for many years.
Oct 21, 2024, 6:54 AM
[ in reply to Such a BS excuse. We have been doing this for many years. ] |
|
I don’t mind the fact that we play backups. In fact, it is great that we do. I do mind the fact that we don’t still let the backups run our normal try to score offense.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rival Killer [2659]
TigerPulse: 74%
33
|
Re: Because our opponents are so average and the mop-up crew gets significant
1
1
Oct 21, 2024, 1:52 AM
[ in reply to Because our opponents are so average and the mop-up crew gets significant ] |
|
Mop up crew should be better. True, in tight games they won't see teh field . .UNLESS we have injuries. And for that reason the Mop up crew counts. They are not holding their own at the end of the games.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Playmaker [386]
TigerPulse: 100%
16
|
Re: Should we be concerned about our defense.
1
Oct 20, 2024, 3:49 PM
|
|
Nope!!
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rival Killer [3046]
TigerPulse: 82%
33
|
Re: Should we be concerned about our defense.
1
2
Oct 20, 2024, 3:49 PM
|
|
The reason our depth is bad is because we dont use the portal. Toriano pride, Bentley, mukuba, malcom greene, and fred davis all would have helped a lot this year.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Game Changer [1880]
TigerPulse: 97%
31
|
Re: Should we be concerned about our defense.
1
Oct 20, 2024, 4:06 PM
|
|
.
Message was edited by: oklatiger®
|
|
|
|
|
|
Game Changer [2071]
TigerPulse: 100%
31
|
Re: Should we be concerned about our defense.
2
Oct 20, 2024, 4:35 PM
[ in reply to Re: Should we be concerned about our defense. ] |
|
Which is why you play the backups now, so they
1) get playing time and see on film where they really are in their progression
2) build their confidence so we then have functional depth
We haven’t been able to do this during the DJ and Cade Y1 years because we weren’t blowing people out like we’re doing now again
|
|
|
|
|
|
Varsity [109]
TigerPulse: 98%
11
|
Re: Should we be concerned about our defense.
Oct 20, 2024, 4:42 PM
[ in reply to Re: Should we be concerned about our defense. ] |
|
This is a good point. I am not a believer that the third string D backs will have an impact on the game during the playoffs. We have to play for seeding position now.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rival Killer [2659]
TigerPulse: 74%
33
|
Re: Should we be concerned about our defense.
Oct 21, 2024, 1:53 AM
|
|
Hopefully no injuries. If so, those guys will be called upon . . smh
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-Pro [724]
TigerPulse: 99%
22
|
Re: Should we be concerned about our defense.
1
Oct 20, 2024, 8:15 PM
[ in reply to Re: Should we be concerned about our defense. ] |
|
Depth isn't "bad", just inexperienced. Still all highly rated players and will become really good at some point.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ultimate Clemson Legend [98431]
TigerPulse: 100%
64
Posts: 97798
Joined: 2009
|
Will that knock us out of the playoff?
1
Oct 20, 2024, 3:51 PM
|
|
Apply your response to my attitude toward rankings on anything this time of the year. None of them matter, in two weeks the ranking that matters is released.
That one will concern me.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rival Killer [2963]
TigerPulse: 100%
33
|
Re: Should we be concerned about our defense.
2
Oct 20, 2024, 3:54 PM
|
|
Defense is plenty good to stop the 102 ranked offense we play the Saturday after thanksgiving.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Trainer [-100]
TigerPulse: 52%
-1
|
Re: Should we be concerned about our defense.
3
Oct 20, 2024, 4:03 PM
|
|
Defense is plenty good to stop the 102 ranked offense we play the Saturday after thanksgiving.
You need to be equally concerned about how to score on that same teams defense. The crap we have been playing isn’t exactly iron sharpening iron. 🙄
|
|
|
|
|
|
National Champion [8064]
TigerPulse: 100%
42
|
Re: Should we be concerned about our defense.
Oct 20, 2024, 5:13 PM
|
|
Defense is plenty good to stop the 102 ranked offense we play the Saturday after thanksgiving. You need to be equally concerned about how to score on that same teams defense. The crap we have been playing isn’t exactly iron sharpening iron. 🙄
Clemson and FSU will each have more defensive players drafted than "that team" in higher rounds. The Clemson offense has faced FSU on their home field when they were trying not to have Clemson break their legendary coach's record(they played inspired/harder). And, Clemson offense plays against a top 15 defense daily( if we are just talking starters ).
So, not concerned to answer the original Chicken posters question. And, much like other years, folks give the fact "that team" has a particular patch on their jersey far too much credit. Using that conferences logic: "with Vandy struggling to beat Ball State - I said, Ball State at home yet they smoked Alabama - what does that say"?
The hype machine is real. Georgia beat Clemson - but the offense came out of that game with a ton of confidence actually. The plays were there if executed. Ironically, it has helped this Tigers offense because they know it's just a matter of "them doing them" and wasn't as much about what the opponent did.
We are good in that way and not worried in short about the ability to score on that team. We have faced a better sorry excuse conference defense already and came away knowing it's there to be had if we execute.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Clemson Icon [24892]
TigerPulse: 94%
54
Posts: 17252
Joined: 2002
|
|
|
|
|
|
Oculus Spirit [39216]
TigerPulse: 100%
57
Posts: 22465
Joined: 2003
|
You are either a filthy coot troll or ignorant .
2
Oct 20, 2024, 3:59 PM
|
|
If Clemson played the starters deeper into games it would be far different
|
|
|
|
|
|
MVP [502]
TigerPulse: 94%
19
|
Re: You are either a filthy coot troll or ignorant .
Oct 20, 2024, 4:36 PM
|
|
He's both.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Game Day Hero [4393]
TigerPulse: 100%
36
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Immortal [68080]
TigerPulse: 100%
60
Posts: 90174
Joined: 2001
|
The lousy play of the back-ups is largely responsible for that.***
Oct 20, 2024, 4:30 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Solid Orange [1309]
TigerPulse: 100%
28
|
Re: The lousy play of the back-ups is largely responsible for that.***
1
Oct 20, 2024, 4:45 PM
|
|
The mass subbing has definitely hurt our overall numbers but Dabo has always done that and maintained top 10 level D’s.
Our 1s have gotten gashed more this year than normal and the 3rd and Longs have converted a ridiculous amount of times.
Our D obviously isn’t as bad as the ranking makes it look but it’s not what we’ve been accustomed to (even EMac said that) and the concern is warranted.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ring of Honor [23799]
TigerPulse: 100%
53
Posts: 20173
Joined: 2011
|
LOL
1
Oct 20, 2024, 4:37 PM
|
|
IGNORANT people type IGNORANT things
|
|
|
|
|
|
MVP [502]
TigerPulse: 94%
19
|
Re: Should we be concerned about our defense.
Oct 20, 2024, 4:37 PM
|
|
No you troll turd I'm not.
|
|
|
|
|
|
1st Rounder [693]
TigerPulse: 90%
21
|
Re: Should we be concerned about our defense.
Oct 20, 2024, 4:54 PM
|
|
I wouldn’t get too excited about your Oklahoma win. The Sooners were one of the worst teams I’ve seen in a while.
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-Conference [436]
TigerPulse: 53%
17
|
Re: Should we be concerned about our defense.
1
Oct 21, 2024, 11:01 AM
|
|
We should be happy with Oklahoma's demise. If this continues, the Sooners fans will release Venables, and Clemson can dump Goodwin and swoop up Venables back.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Game Changer [1896]
TigerPulse: 100%
31
|
Re: Should we be concerned about our defense.
1
Oct 20, 2024, 4:57 PM
|
|
Eason and Rumph need to get more out of our dudes.
We just aren't getting in the backfield nearly like we should or have become accustomed to.
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-Conference [436]
TigerPulse: 53%
17
|
Re: Should we be concerned about our defense.
Oct 21, 2024, 11:02 AM
|
|
I agree. The defensive coaches and GOODWIN are failing the team. No physicality, NO fire in their belly. Very High Schoolish.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Solid Orange [1354]
TigerPulse: 88%
28
|
Re: Should we be concerned about our defense.
Oct 20, 2024, 5:25 PM
|
|
No
|
|
|
|
|
|
Paw Warrior [4747]
TigerPulse: 82%
37
|
Re: Should we be concerned about our defense.
2
Oct 20, 2024, 7:00 PM
|
|
First of all, who would have thought, after last year, that our offense would be carrying our defense.
Lots of people here are talking about how our defensive stats and rankings are being distorted by substituting so freely. They may be right, but they may just be whistling past the graveyard. I think the Louisville game will tell us much.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Clemson Icon [24892]
TigerPulse: 94%
54
Posts: 17252
Joined: 2002
|
Tell 'em nothing since 1969 coot, no one knows losing better than you
1
Oct 20, 2024, 8:05 PM
|
|
LOL
|
|
|
|
|
|
Game Day Hero [4393]
TigerPulse: 100%
36
|
Re: Should we be concerned about our defense.
Oct 20, 2024, 8:06 PM
|
|
Us...Our.. And with that profile name...OK
Message was edited by: jarheadtiger®
|
|
|
|
|
|
Solid Orange [1319]
TigerPulse: 81%
28
|
Re: Should we be concerned about our defense.
Oct 21, 2024, 6:47 AM
|
|
I think it's likely good enough for the rest of our schedule. South Carolina is surprisingly good, but that's because of their defense, not their offense. Louisville and Pitt are better offenses than any we've faced since UGA, but we should win. I do think our defense will keep us from being a serious threat in the playoffs.
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-Conference [436]
TigerPulse: 53%
17
|
Re: Should we be concerned about our defense.
1
Oct 21, 2024, 10:52 AM
|
|
I'm terribly concerned about that weak defense. The solution: FIRE Wes Goodwin
|
|
|
|
|
|
Commissioner [1294]
TigerPulse: 73%
27
|
Re: Should we be concerned about our defense.
Oct 21, 2024, 7:25 AM
|
|
In the first few quarters our D I'd stronger than 40 acres of garlic...only when we sub the rest of the team do mistakes show! Play the whole team if you have a 30 point lead...some of our subs will develop and we will be a better overall team...who knows what's down the road? We still have a few holes in the defensive backfield but having injuries return we are starting to dominate! These teams that give up 35 and still win may give up 65 to our O...and only get 20 from our D! Don't worry, be happy!
|
|
|
|
|
|
Head Coach [935]
TigerPulse: 100%
24
|
Re: Should we be concerned about our defense.
1
Oct 21, 2024, 10:39 AM
|
|
I’m actually impressed it’s only 53 with the amount of yards 2nd and 3rd string give up every 4th q. I think it flatters starters if anything
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-Conference [436]
TigerPulse: 53%
17
|
Re: Should we be concerned about our defense.
1
Oct 21, 2024, 10:51 AM
|
|
The answer: FIRE Wes Goodwin.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Varsity [100]
TigerPulse: 97%
11
|
Re: Should we be concerned about our defense.
Oct 21, 2024, 11:01 AM
|
|
The first group... no, they arent our best ever but they are good enough to have a great year. The 2nd group and on is still growing. But that is the great thing about these blowout wins, these busted plays and such during garbage times is killing our defensive rankings but they are giving these young guys good reps and film to learn how to be better.
By the end of the season, some of these guys that are struggling will be ready to go and if not this year, it will help tremendously next season.
Clemson has always developed its depth this way in years when it has over matched opponents... and it usually paid off come playoff time.
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-Conference [436]
TigerPulse: 53%
17
|
Re: Should we be concerned about our defense.
Oct 21, 2024, 11:03 AM
|
|
Not with this DC. He is trash.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Replies: 46
| visibility 5970
|
|
|
|
50
