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Paw Master [17286]
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kirk having a meltdown lol
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Dec 13, 2023, 6:07 PM
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honestly though im sick of hearing these hypotheticals that certain teams are better. i remember all the oregon was going to smash washington talk before the pac 10 title game because oregon was destroying all the weak teams heading into that game. was even favored by as many as 9 points.. people will cite the uga bowl game as proof. but with fsu starters opting out that game will prove nothing
https://twitter.com/KirkHerbstreit/status/1735029260115484918
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Re: kirk having a meltdown lol
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Dec 13, 2023, 6:14 PM
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Only impressive game was LSU and they did not end up how they were projected pre season. Clemson should or had them beat minus 2-3 plays, and we were not world beaters this season.
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Paw Master [17286]
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same could be said about bama
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Dec 13, 2023, 6:19 PM
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took a miracle to beat a bad auburn team and struggled against south florida. again hypothetical are stupid. the playoff was mde to have things settled on the field. now we will never know with fsu due to bias
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Game Day Hero [4430]
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Re: same could be said about bama
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Dec 13, 2023, 7:37 PM
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Bama would curb stomp FSU. That’s a reality. You are blind if you don’t think so. I think FSU deserved to be in but the best 4 are in.
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CU Guru [1296]
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Re: same could be said about bama
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Dec 13, 2023, 7:47 PM
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See attached pic.
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Dynasty Maker [3135]
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Re: same could be said about bama
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Dec 13, 2023, 9:57 PM
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Oh no! FACTS!!! JContrell86 consider yourself served.
PS the greatest team of all time was going to stomp Clemson and they got boat raced.
You guys need to go pull for Bama like the Coot fans.
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Game Day Hero [4362]
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Re: same could be said about bama
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Dec 13, 2023, 8:05 PM
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Best 4 are not in. There’s no way UGA should’ve missed if it was truly the best 4. UGA would beat Washington.
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Commissioner [1270]
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Re: same could be said about bama
Dec 14, 2023, 6:23 AM
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Agree. This more than anything proves it’s just politics. Anyone ask Kirk if his crystal ball says Mich or Wash would beat UGA
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Re: same could be said about bama
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Dec 13, 2023, 9:01 PM
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Alabama wouldn’t score more than 17 points on FSU…or Michigan…#### good. Alabama is inconsistent. Best four teams means Ohio State replaces Alabama. Much more consistent play. You underestimate defense.
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Re: same could be said about bama
Dec 13, 2023, 10:21 PM
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As Herbie said, totally subjective opinion. All the objective measures say the 2 teams were close. My opinion is SOR is the best metric and it favored FSU.
That said, all of the talking heads said the same thing about us vs Bama 2019. Look who got curb stomped.
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Orange Blooded [2278]
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Re: same could be said about bama
Dec 14, 2023, 6:49 AM
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So will Bama curb stomp Michigan? Michigan is the same team that FSU is now. A great defense with a putrid offense and a manageable QB. Michigan had less yards in its conference championship game than FSU. They had so much confidence in McCarthy against Penn State that he threw 0 passes in the second half. Of course Michigan does get there coach back after his second suspension for cheating of the year, so there is that.
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Orange Blooded [2278]
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Re: same could be said about bama
Dec 14, 2023, 7:10 AM
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I'm going to give another opinion on what the best 4 should mean and an analogy to explain it. We should be talking about who was the best 4 over the course of the year, and FSU, I believe fits that bill.
When Washington and Texas play, what happens if Washington is up by 2 TD's and Penix gets hurt at the end of the 3rd quarter. Texas is clearly the better team in the 4th, outscoring Washington 14-3. So Texas will be the one that plays the winner of Alabama and Michigan, even though they lost. Have I got that right?
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Athletic Dir [1131]
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Re: same could be said about bama
Dec 13, 2023, 7:57 PM
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Maybe if they get a chance to play the 5th best team in a bowl. Oh wait they do get that chance. Win that game and you have an argument.
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Game Changer [1679]
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Re: same could be said about bama
Dec 13, 2023, 8:22 PM
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Now, now it’s the sec and all teams in the sec are better than every other team out there. Don’t believe me then just ask esecpn and their little ####### like Kirk and Pat. I hear Nicky will be officiating their marriage
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Paw Master [17254]
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Re: kirk having a meltdown lol
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Dec 13, 2023, 6:40 PM
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Their losses are to the AP #4, 5, and 11 team. Should FSU have lost for the quality loss rather than devaluing LSU? FSU beat them by more than Alabama who had them at home. Alabama almost lost to an actually bad Auburn team and struggled mightily with a dreadful South Florida team. And lost a game. Any “eye ball” test that says Alabama is better is built on pure bias. And considering Alabama won a title with a backup quarterback in the CFP era the qb excuse is pure hypocrisy. And I hate FSU and Mike Norvell.
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Athletic Dir [1131]
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Re: kirk having a meltdown lol
Dec 13, 2023, 7:59 PM
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You honestly think fsu is one of the 4 best teams?
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Paw Master [17254]
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Re: kirk having a meltdown lol
Dec 13, 2023, 8:35 PM
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I honestly think no one knows who the best four teams are and that winning is the way your prove your worth. I think FSU has the talent level to compete with any of the 4 taken and that with 5 weeks from selection day until the semi-final they have more than enough time to prep their #2 qb to be the starter and enough time to make a credible backup out of #3. The bowl practice schedule for CFP participant is 1 week less than the NCAA current limit of six weeks for preseason practice. If the “eyeball test” was legit there wouldn’t be sportsbooks.
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Game Changer [2018]
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Re: kirk having a meltdown lol
Dec 13, 2023, 9:12 PM
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If you have to answer a question by what you ‘think’ would happen, then you haven’t ‘answered’ the question, only postulated.
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Dynasty Maker [3135]
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Re: kirk having a meltdown lol
Dec 13, 2023, 10:00 PM
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Who knows who would beat who. They have not played.
With this logic, there are years Clemson should have gotten left out.
FSU got jobbed period.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: kirk having a meltdown lol
Dec 14, 2023, 8:49 AM
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No chance FSU is one of the best. Their two backup qbs are bags of hot garbage.
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Playmaker [397]
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Dec 14, 2023, 9:00 AM
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Yeah, FSU was clearly one of the worst teams to ever win the ACC. Kirk is spot on.
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Re: kirk having a meltdown lol
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Dec 13, 2023, 6:26 PM
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Kirk is now a EsecPN 'made' man. He used to be pretty objective. Now the eye test is only if it applies to the narrative.
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Orange Blooded [3624]
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Re: kirk having a meltdown lol
Dec 13, 2023, 6:28 PM
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He is right.. probably about another 5 teams as well.
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Rival Killer [2882]
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Re: kirk having a meltdown lol
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Dec 13, 2023, 6:28 PM
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F the SEC!!!
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Paw Warrior [4739]
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Winning HAS to matter. Regardless of the f'n "eye test" and injuries.***
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Dec 13, 2023, 6:34 PM
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Re: Winning HAS to matter. Regardless of the f'n "eye test" and injuries.***
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Dec 13, 2023, 7:09 PM
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It's absolutely what should matter. U go undefeated and win ur conference you should be in over any 1 L team.
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Athletic Dir [1131]
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Re: kirk having a meltdown lol
Dec 13, 2023, 6:54 PM
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Based on some of Kirk's comments in the past, I don't really think he cares for FSU that much to begin with. I mean, as soon as the committee put out their top 4, he was right there with a ###### ready to blast FSU and his comments weren't nuanced at all.
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Hall of Famer [9046]
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Re: kirk having a meltdown lol
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Dec 13, 2023, 6:55 PM
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Don't know why is blanked out s-c-r-i-p-t
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110%er [3673]
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Re: kirk having a meltdown lol
Dec 14, 2023, 6:12 AM
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If you leave out the r and p and change the c to h it spells something else?
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Letterman [271]
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Re: kirk having a meltdown lol
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Dec 13, 2023, 6:57 PM
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God I hope Michigan drags Bama up and down the field. I don’t like either of them but the obsession with Bama and what is will solidly for ESPN bias makes me sick
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Dynasty Maker [3135]
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Re: kirk having a meltdown lol
Dec 13, 2023, 10:02 PM
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I would agree. I cannot stand either, but I really do want Bama to get beat.
Issue is Michigan’s offense plays right into Sabans hands.
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Gridiron Giant [15768]
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Theyre too many teams to have two that have already played in the final 4***
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Dec 13, 2023, 6:58 PM
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Paw Warrior [4739]
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BINGO! "Every game counts" until it does not make you money.
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Dec 13, 2023, 7:32 PM
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Screw ESPN/ABC and the SEC.
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Orange Beast [6457]
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Re: kirk having a meltdown lol
Dec 13, 2023, 7:07 PM
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Love Herbie but Texas and Bama are not clearly better than FSU with Travis healthy. Without Travis I agree but FSU still earned the right to be in the top 4. Leaving them out is a disgrace to college football imo.
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CU Guru [1589]
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Re: kirk having a meltdown lol
Dec 13, 2023, 7:55 PM
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Not true. Look at the selection committee‘s website. Look at the section that shows five principles. Look at the fifth principal.
The committee made the right decision.
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Orange Blooded [2278]
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Re: kirk having a meltdown lol
Dec 14, 2023, 7:27 AM
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So you are going to credit the committee with setting up a system so their decisions really can't be questioned? Did you notice what was missing from that criteria? Wins and losses, by their criteria they are completely irrelevant.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: kirk having a meltdown lol
Dec 14, 2023, 8:53 AM
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But at the end of the day, without Travis, they are not one of the four best teams. You will see when they play Georgia. Now I will say, having some key players opting out won’t help, but even with those players they would get beat by two touchdowns plus.
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Playmaker [397]
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Dec 14, 2023, 9:10 AM
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But Travis is NOT HEALTHY or available. THAT’S the point! FSU doesn’t belong in the final four and they’re going to get stomped by Georgia.
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Dec 13, 2023, 7:09 PM
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My only issue is if Georgia beat Bama FSU would have got it. They had to put Texas in to get an SEC school in. That is why they got it wrong.
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Orange Blooded [2278]
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Re: kirk having a meltdown lol
Dec 14, 2023, 7:37 AM
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There has not been a truer statement posted on here. The committee would have changed their definition of 4 best if Alabama were out of the picture. Of course had Texas lost they would have reverted back to the definition they used and put Georgia and Alabama in.
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National Champion [7146]
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Re: Lunatic Fringe
Dec 13, 2023, 7:13 PM
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He-sure-uses-a-lot-of-hyphens...
But I must say that I approve of his usage of the term 'Lunatic Fringe'
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Clemson Sports Icon [57743]
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Re: Lunatic Fringe
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Dec 13, 2023, 10:31 PM
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I couldn't help noticing that term (for some reason). Anyway, I'm done with this whole FSU thing, especially now that politics and lawsuits are part of it.
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CU Guru [1120]
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Re: kirk having a meltdown lol
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Dec 13, 2023, 7:13 PM
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What a classless loser. The SEC and ESPN bias machine is about 15-20 years late for being investigated. All the ESPN minions that had a hand in the bias on a supposed neutral network need to be brought in for questions. Maybe the FCC should get involved since it involved the airwaves as well. This has been a LONG TIME COMING.
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Game Day Hero [4135]
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Re: kirk having a meltdown lol
Dec 13, 2023, 7:48 PM
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Kirk certainly does not need to explain his own opinion. Like he said, he is more equipped to give an opinion than any FSU or Bama fan.
Regardless what he thinks, there are multiple things you could point out to an FSU fan that would make them shut up.
For one, would you rather play FSU or Alabama at this very moment (without Jordan Travis)? Case closed.
You did not dominate anybody besides mid tier ACC teams. No you didn’t dominate LSU.
You did not beat #1 Georgia in the conference championship. You did not beat a team that had won 29 in a row. You did not beat a back to back champion. You beat an average Louisville team 16-6. If you want to talk about most deserving, Alabama is more deserving based on their quality of wins. Especially in the conference championship.
Additionally, FSU was certainly not out of the playoff for certain in the scenario of Alabama winning. FSU still could’ve gone and won by 50 and showed that they were capable of beating a playoff team with their 3rd string. But again, they won 16-6.
These and many other points also qualify into the “most deserving” evaluation.
If FSU played Texas, I see FSU losing that as well. It’s hypothetical, but looking at the hardest teams both teams had to play, Alabama had very much more difficult opponents. So you have to consider that hypothetical of FSU vs Texas.
By the way FSU, you were given a prove it game in Miami for the Orange Bowl. Be happy. Just make sure the players have as much fun as possible, because the game won’t be a good time due to Kirby not taking it easy.
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CU Guru [1120]
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Re: kirk having a meltdown lol
Dec 13, 2023, 8:28 PM
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You are giving the fleabags too much credit. They played a cupcake schedule and struggled with a few teams, as did Alabama. Neither of them beating each other proves anything. The fleabags were lucky as #### to get by Ohio State last year, or they would only have 1 natty in 2 years and a less impressive record. Oh, wait, you say they won the game that's all that matters??? Is that what I hear? Ohhhhhh, so it does matter if you just win the games...
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CU Guru [1589]
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Dec 13, 2023, 7:52 PM
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Kirk is 100% correct.
Like it or not, the committee is asked to deploy a subjective selection process.
In 2023 our process is subjective and not objective.
Since 2012, if a team goes undefeated there has been no guarantee they will be in the final four.
The committee chose Alabama over FSU and they are correct.
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CU Guru [1589]
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Dec 13, 2023, 7:54 PM
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honestly though im sick of hearing these whining participation trophy clowns crying about FSU’s spilt milk.
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Paw Warrior [4890]
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Dec 13, 2023, 7:58 PM
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Frick FSU. Hate those clowns!
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Re: kirk having a meltdown lol
Dec 13, 2023, 8:05 PM
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Sounds like a lot of SEC love.
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National Champion [8071]
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Herbie is just a woke esecpn dbag. End of story.
Dec 13, 2023, 9:43 PM
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Has been for years. Arguing hypotheticals because you THINK a team is better and therefore should be in over an undefeated team that was, fyi, 2-0 vs the sec....its just bush league garbage.
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Clemson Sports Icon [57743]
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Re: Herbie is just a woke esecpn dbag. End of story.
Dec 13, 2023, 10:36 PM
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I remember Herbstreit yammering on and on about a UGA team that lost to Bama in the SEC championship getting into the CFP. This is nothing new from him.
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All-TigerNet [6085]
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Re: kirk having a meltdown lol
Dec 13, 2023, 9:50 PM
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Kirk sure changed his tune on FSU from October. He didn’t understand why Florida State fans were upset with their ranking. He said that if FSU won out, they were in. I hope the Florida attorney general has good luck with his lawsuit.
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CU Guru [1589]
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Re: kirk having a meltdown lol
Dec 13, 2023, 10:11 PM
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Kirk is 100% right.
good luck with the lawsuit!
Tell me how that’s gonna play out?
On what basis will the AG win a lawsuit?
Seriously, tell me how the AG can win a lawsuit.
Ya’ll supporting FSU’s case are bunch of snowflake whiners looking to blame someone when ya didn’t get what ya want.
The committee followed their mandate and protocols and principles exactly as published on their website since 2012.
I hope FSU keeps crying. Does nothing but hurt them at this point.
By the way, the committees decision had nothing to do with the ACC or Clemson, or the LSU games, or the SEC.
The committee simply recognized that Bama is a much better team.
Eat what you kill. Bama killed more than FSU.
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All-TigerNet [6085]
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Re: kirk having a meltdown lol
Dec 14, 2023, 6:00 AM
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The state of Florida is going to go the anti-trust route. I am not saying they will win but, I believe there is a chance. Stranger things have happened.
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110%er [3673]
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Re: kirk having a meltdown lol
Dec 14, 2023, 6:16 AM
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If it was Penn St/Pennsylvania or Michigan/Michigan they might have a chance in court!
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Re: kirk having a meltdown lol
Dec 14, 2023, 8:14 AM
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Like with the BCS committee, wins and losses don't matter in the lawsuit. Most likely, the AG's objective is to pull back the curtain, and force the committee to produce minutes to their meetings and individual votes by the committee. It will have to be thrown out early to keep that from coming out.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Dec 14, 2023, 8:48 AM
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I do think Alabama is better that Florida State. But if Alabama wasn’t in there, Kirk would have one of his little meld downs.
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Hall of Famer [8838]
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He is no longer unbias. Plus his osu comments
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Dec 14, 2023, 8:49 AM
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During game was a love fest.
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