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Athletic Dir [1149]
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Roper should start at PG
Jan 31, 2015, 4:32 PM
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Not convinced i see what rod hall brings to the table... PG without consistent shot, ability to dribble drive, or size to matchup on D
In general, any senior in any sport who isnt the teams top 10% talent should be reconsidered as starter
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Re: Roper should start at PG
Jan 31, 2015, 4:34 PM
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You're a lunatic, to put it mildly.
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It's Roper's natural position, and in his freshman....
Jan 31, 2015, 4:37 PM
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season, when he was at point, he was more consistent
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He doesn't play PG well Creeper, pay more attention***
Jan 31, 2015, 4:40 PM
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Yes he does, check out his freshman season when he was...
Jan 31, 2015, 5:06 PM
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at point, and played much more consistently. You're wrong as usual CM Shack.
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It is, he played PG in high school....
Jan 31, 2015, 5:16 PM
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Us and every other school that recruited him, recruited him to play PG. Explain away, why he was more consistent his freshman season when he was at PG vs the last two seasons at SG where he has been inconsistent.
Need to learn a whole lot more about our players before calling people stupid.
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All-In [30593]
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This is not a topic you want to get into it about
Jan 31, 2015, 5:20 PM
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you are wrong
Roper can play the point and be serviceable, but he is a natural scorer and 2j guard...
It's not uncommon for guys like him to do it all in HS, especially from the guard spot
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This a topic you should just stop commenting on...
Jan 31, 2015, 5:29 PM
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I have already proven that I know much more about Roper's background and how teams were recruiting him out of high school, than you do. The first part of your second sentence describes Hall more than Roper. He didn't do it all in high school. He only played point in high school. And I know how Coach Whipple at Irmo High School coaches (have seen his coaching style my whole life), he doesn't move players around to different positions unless they are truly capable of playing different positions.
Back to my original point, don't challenge a person who knows more about a certain play than you do.
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Re: This a topic you should just stop commenting on...
Jan 31, 2015, 5:30 PM
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lol time for Tigerqueen to pitch a hissy fit on yet another topic he is wrong about.
Thank god Rod Hall isnt white or we would have been called racists by now.
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For someone who knows so much about basketball, surprised
Jan 31, 2015, 5:34 PM
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your argument isn't based upon some observations of his three years in college and the subsequent empirical evidence, but rather some vague and questionable assertions about his high school days.
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You think 3.6 assists per game is a lot...
Jan 31, 2015, 5:36 PM
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Your argument is based purely on false assertions that Rod Hall is a great offensive PG. Which the stats prove otherwise. Again tell me how many times Hall has brought us out of scoring drought by distributing the ball and getting some movement out of the offense?
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give me one reason you think Roper is a natural 1
Jan 31, 2015, 5:37 PM
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besides the .9 assists he avg. per game as a freshmen
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Well actually his freshman year, he split time between PG...
Jan 31, 2015, 5:40 PM
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SG. So Brownell really has never given Roper a long look at point guard, due to Brownell wanting Rod Hall to be the starter at PG.
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so your reason is that BB never gave him a fair shake at the
Jan 31, 2015, 5:41 PM
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point... wow
despite the fact that BB has pretty much given Roper the green light any time he wants it... which is rare for a BB team
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green light to shoot from the SG position***
Jan 31, 2015, 5:42 PM
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but a red light to pass from the SG position.
Jan 31, 2015, 5:49 PM
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Riiiiigggght.
LOL.
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Enjoy the win man, instead of attacking other Clemson fans..
Jan 31, 2015, 5:55 PM
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who are enjoying the win and giving props the MVP of the game. Nice job in putting down the player that led us to victory today.
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I'm disagreeing with your slamming of Rod Hall and your
Jan 31, 2015, 6:04 PM
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obviously false suggestions that Jordan Roper is a point guard and Rod Hall is not. It has no basis in fact.
Jordan Roper played a great game today and showed why he can be our best shooting guard. Rod Hall played great defense on one of the best offensive players in the league while dishing out 6 assists and we won big, yet you thought it best to launch into a misplaced and totally incorrect criticism of Hall.
Admit your mistake and move on.
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Difference is I'm not slamming Hall....
Jan 31, 2015, 6:09 PM
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It's beyond a fact that he is a liability on offense. That's not a slam, but based on facts. You were still unable to answer my question as to how many times Hall has led us out of a scoring drought through distributing the ball and getting movement out of the offense? Just answer the question. Admit your mistake and move on. And stop attacking Clemson fans for enjoying a win and giving props to the MVP of the game.
You should be enjoying this win, instead of being hellbent on putting down your fellow tiger fans and the player that led us to victory. So glad, Clemson fans I meet in real life are the exact opposite of you.
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Ring of Honor [23950]
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Keep digging.
Jan 31, 2015, 6:13 PM
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You'll never get out of this hole you dug for yourself.
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Re: Well actually his freshman year, he split time between PG...
Jan 31, 2015, 5:41 PM
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"Explain away, why he was more consistent his freshman season when he was at PG"
That is not what you just said above. You are backtracking and changing your argument around every turn. Typical liberal.
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I don't even know why I'm responding to your childishness...
Jan 31, 2015, 5:44 PM
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anymore.
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Re: I don't even know why I'm responding to your childishness...
Jan 31, 2015, 5:49 PM
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So pointing out when you are talking out of your ### and changing your argument in childish in your eyes. Sorry for pointing out how full of #### and wrong you are.
Most adults have no problem being corrected.
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let it go man, and grow up, quit attacking a Clemson fan...
Jan 31, 2015, 5:53 PM
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for celebrating a win and giving props to the MVP of the game.
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If Jordan can learn to dribble with his right hand, he could
Jan 31, 2015, 5:46 PM
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really improve his game for next year and make him a much more difficult mark for the taller guys that give him trouble. I would love to see him make a big jump there and really open up his game.
We'll see him being pushed right more and more and getting trapped more and more as we play better teams down the stretch.
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Quit putting down the player who led us to victory today***
Jan 31, 2015, 5:56 PM
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Jordan Roper is a great shooter, but it takes him 3 games to
Jan 31, 2015, 5:40 PM
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get that many assists (3.6 assist/game divided by 1.2 assists/game = 3 games).
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Which shows your ignorance of basketball even more...
Jan 31, 2015, 5:45 PM
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SG's don't get a lot of assists. Hall should being getting more than 3.6 assists per game.
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Has he been told not to pass because of your label?
Jan 31, 2015, 5:48 PM
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### dude, you're just talking out of your #### now.
Pride can make you do and say silly stuff.
It's ok to admit your were wrong. It would be preferable to this bullheaded silliness.
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Boneheaded silliness? You're claiming Rod Hall is a great...
Jan 31, 2015, 5:57 PM
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offensively as a PG when only gets 3.6 assists per game.
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See what I mean. Continuing to pound on Rod Hall
Jan 31, 2015, 6:07 PM
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instead of just enjoying the victory and a great shooting guard performance by our best pure shooter.
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Copying what I say, isn't going to work. Grow up.***
Jan 31, 2015, 6:11 PM
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Enjoy the win instead of attacking the MVP of the game and..
Jan 31, 2015, 5:58 PM
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a fellow Clemson fan. Glad that the tiger fans I meet in real life, are the exact opposite of your childishness.
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Coach Brownell would get a good chuckle out of you.
Jan 31, 2015, 6:12 PM
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"Honey, you wouldn't believe what some guy was telling me I was doing all wrong with our basketball team today. Like I don't see them practice and play for thousands of hours."
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His freshman year he averaged .9 assist and .9 turnovers
Jan 31, 2015, 5:25 PM
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per game. Those are not the stats of a point guard who distributes the ball effectively.
He shot 41% on his three point tries. His three point percentage has gone down each year. THAT is what has changed for him.
Again, the facts simply continue to prove you wrong.
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Re: His freshman year he averaged .9 assist and .9 turnovers
Jan 31, 2015, 5:31 PM
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shh dont go bringing facts into a TQ79 argument that isnt fair.
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Re: Roper should start at PG
Jan 31, 2015, 4:34 PM
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Dude what games you been watching
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Re: Roper should start at PG
Jan 31, 2015, 4:35 PM
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He's damaged, obviously. Must have been bottle fed.
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Roper will be much more consistent at PG, it's his natural..
Jan 31, 2015, 4:36 PM
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position. After his freshman season, I thought Roper would have took the starting job from Rod Hall. Now I like Rod Hall, he has great intensity, but he has no ability to play the point on the offensive side of the ball.
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You're an idiot***
Jan 31, 2015, 4:39 PM
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funny that's what your mom said about you***
Jan 31, 2015, 5:09 PM
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She told me you had the smallest ###### she has ever seen***
Jan 31, 2015, 6:44 PM
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Roper is a shooting guard. He is not a point guard.
Jan 31, 2015, 5:01 PM
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If you watch, you will notice that he seldom if ever goes to his right hand. He avoids it like the plague even when guys force him to his right. A point guard has to be good with both hands. As a result, he gets trapped a lot and he lacks the size to pass over it and the strength to step through it.
Plus, you really are dissing Rod, who is a very good point guard. As Roper, and hopefully others, open up the floor with the three point shot, you will see Rod get to the basket more and more, getting fouled often, with his superior strength. We haven't had a legitimate outside threat all season to open things up for Rod, until the last few games with Roper now stepping up in the shooting guard role. Today, Rod was counted on to expend too much energy on the defensive end to be a huge threat on the offensive end, though he did have 6 assists.
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I'm not dissing Rod Hall, I was pointing out his weaknesses
Jan 31, 2015, 5:13 PM
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on offense. If Rod Hall is so great offensively at PG, why does he rarely have assists. When we have our scoring droughts does Rod Hall ever bring us out of them by distributing the ball and getting movement on offense? No. One of the main reasons we have long scoring droughts is Hall's inability to get assists and get movement out of the offense. Rod Hall plays hard and is great defensive player, but he is a huge liability as far as running the offense from the PG position. If you can't see that you don't know basketball.
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Imagine Coach Brownell on the other side of your argument.
Jan 31, 2015, 5:17 PM
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Which is where he sits given that he plays Roper at the shooting guard spot and not the point.
I guess he doesn't know basketball either.
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Has Brad Brownell logged onto tigernet today?....
Jan 31, 2015, 5:23 PM
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I'm a strong supporter of Brownell, but that doesn't necessarily means he always makes the right decisions. Every coach, no matter how good they are, can make a miscalculation. So don't even try to change this into me slamming Brownell. That line of thinking isn't going work on me.
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Again, the FACT is you are disagreeing with Brownell.
Jan 31, 2015, 5:26 PM
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Nobody is turning your words into anything but false.
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Again, when did Brownell log on to tnet today?***
Jan 31, 2015, 5:30 PM
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Re: Again, when did Brownell log on to tnet today?***
Jan 31, 2015, 6:51 PM
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He hasn't I assume, but for the past 3 years Hall has been at point and not Roper so obviously you are disagreeing with him.
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that's all you got is juvenile insults, you are incapable of
Jan 31, 2015, 5:33 PM
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carrying on a logical discussion.
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again all you have is juvenile insults, you can't have...
Jan 31, 2015, 5:38 PM
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logical conversation. All you can do is hurl out juvenile insults.
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Re: again all you have is juvenile insults, you can't have...
Jan 31, 2015, 5:39 PM
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people have posted facts you just ignore them.
You keep proclaiming his freshmen year as a great example...
He averaged .9 assists to .9 turnovers per game playing 22 mins a game.
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I've posted facts about Rod Hall's weakness from an...
Jan 31, 2015, 5:42 PM
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offensive standpoint and you and the others in this thread ignore it. So go ahead and tell me you think 3.6 assists per game is good. By the way Roper didn't start his freshman year, and was switched to SG about midway through the season.
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Re: I've posted facts about Rod Hall's weakness from an...
Jan 31, 2015, 5:55 PM
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Halls weaknesses on the offensive end do not mean that roper is a better overall PG.
Hall is a MUCH better defender. That makes up for it in Brownells eyes. Also nothing has shown that Roper would be a great PG.
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let it go, i'm not getting into your childish arguments...
Jan 31, 2015, 5:59 PM
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anymore. Enjoy the win with your fellow Clemson fans, instead of putting them down. And stop putting down the person who led us to victory today.
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Re: let it go, i'm not getting into your childish arguments...
Jan 31, 2015, 10:15 PM
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link to me putting down Roper tia.
You are such a cry baby. Why dont you spam this forum with some more posts again.
http://www.tigernet.com/forums/forum.jspa?forumID=96
Your obsession is sad.
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Jan 31, 2015, 5:29 PM
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He has the frame of a diminutive pg. He is a 2g in a pg's body. Other than that, he resembles nothing of a pg
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Re: Roper will be much more consistent at PG, it's his natural..
Jan 31, 2015, 5:26 PM
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Lmao @ Roper being anything close to a "natural point guard". He is a terrible passer but has gotten better. He is a shoot first player. What part of that is "natural point guard"?
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Re: Roper should start at PG
Jan 31, 2015, 4:38 PM
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Guessing you do not watch a lot of basket ball.
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If you can't see what Rod brings to the table, you must not
Jan 31, 2015, 4:39 PM
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watch much and considering the things you complain about HIM doing are what Roper struggles at MORE, well, I'd believe you don't watch much...Inconsistent shot? Roper is more inconsistent... Ability to dribble drive? Roper makes Rod look like CP3...Size to match up on D? Again, Roper makes Rod look like an ALL Star...Roper is an undersized SG for a reason, learn to live with it
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Only thing Hall is better at over Roper is defense...
Jan 31, 2015, 5:08 PM
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Roper can actually distribute the ball. Rod Hall gets defended by shorter players, Roper takes on much taller defenders every game. Roper is a better offensive PG than Hall, learn to live with it.
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Ring of Honor [23950]
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Rod Hall had 6 assists today to Jordan's 2.
Jan 31, 2015, 5:15 PM
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The facts just don't support your argument.
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How often does Rod Hall get 6 assists....
Jan 31, 2015, 5:20 PM
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and of course Roper is going to have less assists at the SG position, that's just natural. For the season Hall only averages 3.6 assists per game only 2 more than Roper per game, so yes the facts do support my argument.
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"only 2 more than Roper per game".... you're an idiot if you
Jan 31, 2015, 5:21 PM
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are using that as an argument...
2 assists per game is a HUGE stat. It's not like ppg
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Not gonna argue with you anymore. We won today....
Jan 31, 2015, 5:52 PM
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and we won because of what I originally pointed out, because of Roper. Tigernet has became so pathetic, when Clemson fans are attacking a Clemson fan for pointing out a Clemson player is good. I can have my own opinion on Roper all I want.
Instead of calling me an idiot, stupid, or "queen". You should be celebrating the win with me, instead of insulting me and Jordan Roper. Just grow up man. I'm glad Tiger fans I meet in real life, are the complete opposite of people like you and others like you on tnet that hate another Clemson fan for enjoying a win.
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Paw Master [17093]
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Rod leads the team in assist but Roper is a better
Jan 31, 2015, 6:48 PM
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distributor? The facts support the statement that you are an idiot, and I stand by it
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Re: Who's averaged more assist every year?***
Jan 31, 2015, 6:52 PM
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Roper isn't allowed to pass from 2g spot....he's already covered that lol
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Paw Master [17093]
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Brad told Hall not to average more than 4 assists per
Jan 31, 2015, 6:56 PM
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game as well
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He's too small not enough strength
Jan 31, 2015, 5:27 PM
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Rod hall is 6'1 but he's a beast.
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Re: Roper does not handle the ball that well. We don't
Jan 31, 2015, 5:58 PM
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have an ACC type pg. at all
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Roarin Doper is a football player? Am I in teh wrong
Feb 1, 2015, 11:38 AM
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forum?
He is certainly performing at a high level; I'm somewhat suspicious of his intentions to become the next great Clemson Wide Receiver.
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