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Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
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I assume BV believes he can help Wes and perhaps the combo will work …. Who knows but he will definitely need BV to be hands on and very involved
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
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Jan 2, 2025, 1:08 PM
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Yikes. BV making a risky move.
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
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Jan 2, 2025, 1:10 PM
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This could make or break his career at Oklahoma.
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
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Jan 2, 2025, 1:32 PM
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It already broken. Wes is gonna finish him off.
I wish the best for BV, but Wes is a high risk move. BV is like us, he needs a solid fix.
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
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Jan 2, 2025, 1:41 PM
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I would have thought that BV would have watched the games that we lost and saw how ineffective the Goodwin defense was before putting him on his staff, or he did, and he thinks it's something that he can fix or adjust...
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
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Jan 2, 2025, 2:06 PM
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There is a 3rd option and it is the scariest for Clemson, Goodwin was not the problem. I don’t think that’s the case but we as fans don’t know everything that goes on within the confines of the football facility.
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HAHAHA! NO!
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
Jan 2, 2025, 11:47 PM
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Our biggest issue on D this year was the lack of player leadership. Not skill so much, but the leadership and inspiration from a few players that has been a hallmark of our success there. Hard to say whether or not that is on Wes or not - lots of coaches in that room that you'd think would make a difference. We need a few to really step it up in that area next season or we'll just see more of the same no matter who is leading that side.
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Maybe the problem was personnel
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Jan 3, 2025, 5:35 AM
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Maybe the problem at Clemson was individual players not being able to get off blocks, losing individual matchups, missed tackles, being in the right defense, but failing to set the edge or simply getting pushed off the ball.
We all saw that happen a lot. There are defensive calls that can help put another hat where it needs to be, but at some point, the players have to make the plays. All the teams we play against have 85 division one scholarships as well. We love our players, but sometimes they just aren’t the best players on the field.
During the great run we had Austin Bryant and Clelin Ferrell who were big strong bodies setting the edge. We had Christian Wilkins and Dexter Lawrence in the interior who nobody could push around. Kendall. Joseph was never going to play in the NFL, but he was never going to miss a tackle either.
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
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Jan 2, 2025, 2:29 PM
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One could argue BV and Wes were a good combo at Clemson and BV may feel they can still be a good team. No one knows Wes’ strengths and weaknesses better than BV.
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
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Jan 2, 2025, 5:01 PM
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I'd reverse that statement.
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
Jan 2, 2025, 10:45 PM
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Y'all are probably both right. Could be they're just better complements to each other than other mixes. I kinda hope so because if this hire doesn't work out well they're both in hot water come next season's end.
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If this is true, and he is too be the DC and not just some
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assistant to Bret, there probably some ticked off Sooner fans right now.
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
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Has to be only as a figurehead or else BV is trying to get fired
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Jan 2, 2025, 1:27 PM
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Or it could just mean that the primary issue here was talent, like some people have been saying all along.
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Jan 2, 2025, 1:31 PM
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It's not talent. Lesser talented teams are doing more.
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No it's talent. Our defensive front is getting physically manhandled. That's why we're not able to stop the run. When you say lesser teams, you're going by their name and reputation, not the abilities of the actual players on the field at this moment.
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
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Jan 2, 2025, 1:41 PM
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Which came first? The chicken or the egg? Talent and coaching go hand in hand. You cannot have a competitive program without either. Talent has been less compared to other Clemson Ds, yes. But the poor tackling, no in game adjustments, lack of development, making average QBs look like Heisman candidates, that’s coaching.
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
Jan 2, 2025, 1:46 PM
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Actually, no it's not. They make adjustments. The adjustments just don't work.
I'll ask the question I keep asking. If your front 7 gets blown off the ball, what's your adjustment?
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Jan 2, 2025, 1:58 PM
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Wes was playing the right scheme against USuCk in the first half with three linebackers. In the second half, he adjusted and played with two, pulling Sammy Brown out. That proved a big mistake and Wes never corrected it though we were getting gashed. That’s all coaching.
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
Jan 2, 2025, 2:34 PM
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That goes to my point. He did make adjustments, they just didn't work. I also have to say I don't agree that pulling Sammy Brown was the problem. I simply don't believe that Sammy Brown beats sellers one-on-one.
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Jan 2, 2025, 2:21 PM
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not agreeing with getting blown off the ball but there are plenty of schemes with stunts, blitzes and rotations to solve size issues. coaching 101
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
Jan 2, 2025, 2:33 PM
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Somebody brought up the 77 yard run against Texas the other day. People were trying to say that Sammy Brown was out of position or or some other excuse. If you go watch that play, the truth is, the three down lineman didn't get any kind of penetration at all. The defensive end and the two linebackers who were up on the line got eaten up by blocks. The tackle for Texas was able to go unlested up to the second level and completely ate up Sammy Brown on block and pushed it back about 10 yards. That's got nothing to do with scheme. That's just their guys up front with our guys up front. And frankly that's been happening a pretty good bit.
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
Jan 2, 2025, 1:46 PM
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Clearly a statement from someone that doesn't know football...simple case in point, even after our loss to UGA to start the year the 'experts' all said we had an equivalent from 7 to UGA, talent wise, and that went across the board, player for player. It's not and hasn't been a talent thing for many many years. That said, our DEs were not, and did not, show out like our DEs have in the past so that certainly hurt a lot, but that's it.
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
Jan 2, 2025, 2:07 PM
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That's pretty rich that you're going to accuse me of not understanding football, but you back up your point by quoting talking head "experts" in the media. It is obvious that we do not have the talent that we had in years past when the defense was elite. It's not because they're at a position all the time. And particular, the down lineman and linebackers are not able to get off blocks and re-establish their line of scrimmage is the defenses in years past were able to do.
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
Jan 2, 2025, 1:47 PM
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Not really. He's not the primary recruiter.
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I still don't think OU fans are going to be happy about this hire***
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Once they hear him speak especially. Brent must just think he can trust Wes to call a similar game plan to what he would with his minimal direction. And that he can lead Wes through the rest. We don't know for sure but you would think what we see from Wes in pressers has to bleed through in his on field coaching and recruiting.
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Re: I still don't think OU fans are going to be happy about this hire***
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This guy must be on crack if he thinks WG will ever be the head coach at Clemson. I'm sure WG will be DC in name only and BV will call the plays and set the strategy.
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
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Jan 2, 2025, 1:11 PM
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Maybe BV is wanting to get fired and retire early.
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
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I’m not sure what BV is thinking after Dabo was clearly frustrated with Wes’ coaching
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
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Jan 2, 2025, 1:18 PM
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Goodwin won't be at Oklahoma for long even if he's hired, BV will get the ax after the '25 season unless he hits it big in the transfer portal.
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Help me make it make sense.
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I don't understand why Dabo hired him as DC, nor do I understand why Brent is hiring him as DC.
Goodwin is obviously a brilliant defensive mind, and has impressed great coaches like Dabo and Brent, but that doesn't mean he has what it takes to be a defensive coordinator.
This is major college football. Taking risks like this can literally cost coaches their jobs. I don't see how the risk is worth it when a more experienced and proven DC could be hired.
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Re: Help me make it make sense.
Jan 2, 2025, 1:25 PM
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Because sometimes risks are necessary. Dabo says hi.
Not every hire is a person already doing the job successfully. That's impossible to sustain.
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Re: Help me make it make sense.
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I can help you with that. The problem is we don't have talent like we used to, so no matter what scheme you're going to call, it's not going to work if you don't have the talent to execute it.
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Re: Help me make it make sense.
Jan 2, 2025, 1:54 PM
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I can help you with that. The problem is we don't have talent like we used to, so no matter what scheme you're going to call, it's not going to work if you don't have the talent to execute it.
That's the fourth time you've posted that on this thread. Just because you repeat yourself over and over it doesn't make you right. You're just a mouth breathing numbnut moron obviously. We have more talent now than we've ever had based on high school recruiting and blue chip players on our roster. F off with your nonsense.
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Re: Help me make it make sense.
Jan 2, 2025, 2:07 PM
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I can help you with that. The problem is we don't have talent like we used to, so no matter what scheme you're going to call, it's not going to work if you don't have the talent to execute it. That's the fourth time you've posted that on this thread. Just because you repeat yourself over and over it doesn't make you right. You're just a mouth breathing numbnut moron obviously. We have more talent now than we've ever had based on high school recruiting and blue chip players on our roster. F off with your nonsense.
Yet we only had one DE on the roster who was talented enough to be a starter and only two LBs talented enough to be starters on an elite team. Dabo also confirmed we had two problems as he is replacing the DC and went to the portal for the first time (on a defensive player) to nab an DE. To believe that Wes was our only issue or that talent was our only issue would not be correct based on the facts at hand.
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Re: Help me make it make sense.
Jan 2, 2025, 2:11 PM
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I'm posting it because it's true. You're going by ranking services and not actual physical talent. With the possible exception of Peter woods, none of the Interior alignment anywhere near as good as Christian Wilkins or Dexter lawrence. It's not debatable. With the possible exception of TJ parker, none of the defensive ends are anywhere near is good as Clelin Ferrell or Austin bryant. Again it's not even debatable. With a possible exception of Sammy brown, none of our linebackers are anywhere close to being as good as Dory and O'Daniel
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Re: Help me make it make sense.
Jan 2, 2025, 2:38 PM
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Not many college teams ever have a dexter and christian. As far as the DE go. Ferrel and Bryant benefited greatly from the interior dl.
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Re: Help me make it make sense.
Jan 2, 2025, 2:45 PM
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That brings up a couple of points. One is, if Harley any teams ever have that kind of talent, you have to take that in consideration when evaluating Brent venables. The other point would be, that just proves the point that we don't have the talent that we had in years past.
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I would guess that Dabo saw that he had a great mind for defense and
Jan 2, 2025, 1:52 PM
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thought he could develop the intangibles associated with being a great DC.
Now I'm assuming that BV knows Wes well and knows what he brings to the table and what he needs to develop, and perhaps thinks that he is the person that can get Wes to bridge that gap. Which I can see...hard to think of someone who embodies the intangibles of Defensive coaching better than BV.
Will be interesting to watch.
As for taking risks...everyone likes to think they are a college football coaching hire expert. But you're not. Neither am I. Proven hires don't always pan out and unproven hires are sometimes homeruns. There are a multitude of intangibles in a fluid playing environment. It's why, when CBB was on the hot seat, I always advocated for a young, hungry coach. Made more sense to me than paying a lot of money for a "proven coach" and seeing where it went. You could get a young coach on the cheap and reward him for winning. I don't really know what I would advocate for now, with the coaching environment being so crazy.
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Yes, everything is a risk. It's just that teams with money to hire top DCs
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should strive to hire top DCs, not "young up and comers" who come with a great deal more risk in comparison.
For every unproven DC that works out, there are hundreds that don't.
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Brent venables was not a top defensive coordinator when he was hired here.
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Re: Yes, everything is a risk. It's just that teams with money to hire top DCs
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He means like Kevin Steele.
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Re: Help me make it make sense.
Jan 2, 2025, 11:26 PM
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Why don’t you make it easier and let us know exactly which college football coach you aren’t smart than?
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
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Sooners going to love getting a fired DC at Clemson for their new DC. They made a 40 million mistake hiring BV as HC. I love BV but do not believe he is a good HC. Sooner program in complete turmoil as they continue to lose coaches and players.
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
Jan 2, 2025, 1:30 PM
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From what I’ve seen on their forums, I don’t think they realize that Goodwin was fired.
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
Jan 2, 2025, 1:32 PM
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Nobody has said he was fired, officially. "No longer with the program", "parted ways", "moved on"...etc.
And it matters...if we fired him we owe him nearly $3M.
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Good for Wes. I hope he does well there.
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
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So 2 time national champion and one of the best defensive coordinatiors to ever coach at Clemson believes that the problem Clemson football is certainly not all on Wes Goodwin and he believes that Wes can be managed in a way that makes him more successful
I share in that belief and the people on this board who think firing him are going to solve all of our problems will be in for a rude awakening next season
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no one thinks it solves all our problems but Wes was a problem and a big one. Having never played a down of college football he had no idea how to teach fundamentals or run a defense. Venables made him look like he knew what he was doing but the guy was in way over his head. Venables is done after this next year anyway with the schedule he faces but he sure is gambling what little chance he had away. Venables will be the head coach and D coordinator for all practical purposes. Removing your best player for a whole quarter has 0 to do with talent. You are right in that we need more talent but anything will be an improvement over this years defense.
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
Jan 2, 2025, 1:48 PM
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Oh yes. Tons of people here think that solves our problems.
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
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If Brent coaches the LB's and puts Wes in the booth where he belong all along and was where he was when BV was at CU, then he will be very successful. Dabo says he gives all his Coordinators the option of where they want to coach from (Booth or Field) and that was a mistake with WG, because of his stature, looks and weak voice, does not but the fear in the players during the heat of the battle on Gameday.
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Yes, BV will put Wes in the box where he belongs and they will be fine. The problem we had is Dabo isn’t a defensive mastermind who his a sixth sense and can coach the fundamentals.
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
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Or it will surely be the last nail in the coffin for Brent Venables as the Oklahoma HC. Imo it's his last nail!!!
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How in the world are they going to introduce him? “We’ve just hired the former DC from Clemson University. Every year that he was there, the defensive production consistently fell. Now WE have him.”
Huh?
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Oculus Spirit [39488]
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Wes is Lucky to Be Coaching a Pop Warner Defense***
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Jan 2, 2025, 1:42 PM
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
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Jan 2, 2025, 1:49 PM
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Wes will ruin OU's defense, and both he and Brent will be out of a job. I feel bad for BV. He is inviting big trouble for the Sooners on defense. It will be the final nail in the coffin for Venables "shaky" status at Oklahoma. Bad, bad move if this happens. Thank God Goodwin won't be at Clemson next year.
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Game Changer [1809]
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
Jan 2, 2025, 2:08 PM
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Hate it for the sooners, not really, but I’m sure happy that he will not be at Clemson on the sideline this year. He would’ve been better served if he had been up in the box just analyzing and making calls with someone on the ground for him.
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All-Conference [449]
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
Jan 2, 2025, 1:57 PM
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WOW!.. the "Good 'Ol boy network won't work here. Goodwin was probably the worst DC in Major College Football this year, other than Miami's.
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Game Changer [1809]
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
Jan 2, 2025, 11:01 PM
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Yes he was
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Game Changer [1809]
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Rival Killer [2665]
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Wes and BV together should work again***
Jan 2, 2025, 1:59 PM
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Commissioner [1236]
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
Jan 2, 2025, 2:28 PM
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I feel like BV knows his own self is the best dc in the country. He can bring in wes and work together as they did at Clemson. Wes will watch film and give BV the analytics and gameplan together. Wes will call defense with BV having the option to call it when he wants to. Halftime adjustments will be down together.
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All-American [590]
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
Jan 2, 2025, 2:50 PM
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Brent is still calling the defense I imagine. Wes will be brought in and serve almost like an analyst with the DC title. My understanding is that is why Zak Alley wanted to make a change too, because he wanted to call plays.
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Game Changer [1809]
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
Jan 2, 2025, 2:55 PM
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If he’s wise, he will keep Wes in the box upstairs
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Team Captain [453]
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
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Jan 2, 2025, 3:06 PM
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Be careful what you ask for sooners.........you may just get it!
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1st Rounder [662]
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
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Jan 2, 2025, 10:02 PM
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Wes in the box, BV on the sideline. It will probably work. Wes should not have been on the sideline, that’s not his skill set. I think Dabo tried to replace BV instead of using Wes for what he’s known to be good at, which is watching games and analyzing. I think he will work out pretty well at Oklahoma personally.
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Orange Blooded [2251]
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
Jan 2, 2025, 10:20 PM
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He’s gonna go back into the role that allowed Dabo to give him a shot at DC. He’s the numbers guy for Brent. He’s probably telling Brent the probability of a particular play being called and Brent initiates the defensive call to counteract it. We may have screwed up by letting this guy go back to Brent. Brent is the scheme guy. Wes is the brains behind the numbers.
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Orange Blooded [2251]
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
Jan 2, 2025, 10:21 PM
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I hope I’m wrong. I really do lol. But maybe that’s why he couldn’t pull the trigger on specific because he’s fighting numbers in his head. Yo! What if????
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Hall of Famer [8629]
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Re: Reporting the Wes will be the Sooners new DC
Jan 2, 2025, 10:35 PM
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BV must really be trying to get fired.
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