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Clemson Icon [26732]
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Referees deciding the outcome of the game.
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Feb 13, 2023, 5:58 PM
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Please, I would like a general discussion of the topic, not just a rehash of the holding call last night.
Here is the statement I've heard for decades: Referees shouldn't decide the outcome of a game.
It is always in the context of the referee not calling an infraction (basketball or football) near the end of the game. "Let them play, let the players decide who wins."
Well, here is my question: If an infraction occurs in the last seconds of the game and a referee doesn't call it, isn't he deciding the outcome of the game?
Guys drives for a game winning lay up. He's fouled. Ref doesn't call it because he wants to "let the players decide the game." Didn't he decide the outcome of the game by not calling the foul?
Offensive guard holds a lineman in the last minute of the game. Ref doesn't call it because he wants to "let the players decide the game." QB throws a game winning TD pass. Didn't the ref decide the outcome of the game by not calling it?
If it is an infraction in the second quarter of the game, why isn't it an infraction in the last minute of the game?
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Re: Referees deciding the outcome of the game.
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Feb 13, 2023, 6:07 PM
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The guy admitted he held the guy. I believe you have to call it, but then again you could call holding on every play in football.
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Clemson Icon [25083]
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Re: Referees deciding the outcome of the game.
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Feb 13, 2023, 6:14 PM
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Agree.
The other piece that irks me is perceived ‘relevance’. A penalty ‘away from the ball’, and as some have claimed about yday’s call, ie., “… the ball was uncatchable….”. An ‘illegal play/action’ is still illegal and should be whistled, flagged or called. TBT: without the TWO holds, who’s to really say/know that receiver couldn’t have caught that ball?
I believe it really all comes down to sour grapes and/or putting blame anywhere else but not where it’s due. (Kudos to the Eagles player who owned up to his actions. This world needs a lot more people like him).
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Ultimate Tiger [37017]
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Re: Referees deciding the outcome of the game.
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Feb 13, 2023, 6:21 PM
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Eagles coach states that the play is not what cost them the game so he handled it professionally as well. Love good sportsmanship. Can you imagine if pro sports had to call penalties on themselves like they do in golf.
I get pissed when they act like they caught a pass when they know they did not. Just get up and run back to the huddle and save us 5-10 minutes waiting on a review.
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Re: Referees deciding the outcome of the game.
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Feb 14, 2023, 4:12 PM
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If that DB had not held him and chucked his momentum he would have scored a touchdown on that play...DB's are taught to do this when you are beaten and he was a dead dog...that step and turn outside had lost him...Philly always gripes about something....always an excuse and they don't even know how to vote or run an honest election!
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You are correct. Butt, I believe the reason people have a
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Feb 13, 2023, 6:26 PM
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problem with the call in last nights game is this: DBs tug on receivers jerseys to some extent on just about EVERY play. So, just like offensive holding on linemen, the Zebras could call that at any time. Now, they do NOT call it 98% of the time, unless the receiver gets "turned" or "rerouted", to use their parlance. I did not see that play rise to that level of infraction, escargo, the flag should have stayed in the Zebra's pocket.
Now, there SHOULD be a 2nd part to the discussion. I do NOT agree that this decided the outcome of the game. The Chiefs were already in borderline long field goal range before that play, with more than adequate time for Mahomes to work his magic, and the outcome would have been the same if that play was a no-call. Nobody will ever be able to prove that right or wrong, because no one can know what the sequence of plays would have been following that play.
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Dynasty Maker [3194]
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Why are you bringing snails into the discussion? You trying
Feb 13, 2023, 7:33 PM
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to add a new word to the Tigernet lexicon?
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CU Medallion [19652]
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From now on when I reach for “ergo”, I’ll use the snail term
Feb 13, 2023, 8:03 PM
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Because I use ergo so much.
But amused I am by 76.
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Re: You are correct. Butt, I believe the reason people have a
Feb 14, 2023, 10:13 PM
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I really hope our offensive brain trust was watching that play, the route #19 ran on KC's 4th TD, and the route #24 ran on KC's 5th TD. Those were truly well-designed routes, which is something that we, frankly, have not seen in years. I'm hopeful that Riley will put in some innovations like that.
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Re: Referees deciding the outcome of the game.
Feb 13, 2023, 6:40 PM
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While you were probably talking about the Super Bowl which I did not watch. NFL does not turn me on. A similar situation occurred in the Duke vs Virginia basketball game. A foul was called prior to the clock running out and the decision was made that the foul was after the clock expired. That isn't what my TV showed. Time to fine refs!!
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Ticky tacky vs Obvious
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Feb 13, 2023, 6:41 PM
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Personally, I had no dog in the SB and was simply watching for entertainment.
If the call had been obvious, I'd would've had no problem with it but it was ticky tacky at best.
One of the few times I've been deflated watching a sports game that I didn't have a favorite team I was cheering for. Truly had the makings of an epic game and that last penalty tainted a great game.
I mean, no there wasn't a guarantee that the Eagles could've won the game but it was certainly a moment fans could feel robbed of what looked like a thriller ending in the making.
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Re: Referees deciding the outcome of the game.
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Feb 13, 2023, 7:25 PM
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I think people just want consistency.
They could call holding on the offense or defense on every play.
There's judgement involved.
Just be consistent throughout the game so all the players know what to expect.
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Especially in bball, you always here folks say, "Let them play!"
Feb 13, 2023, 8:19 PM
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It is one of the dumbest opinions ever! Fouls should be called the same, whether in the first minute or last minute of the game. Consistency is the key!
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Re: Referees deciding the outcome of the game.
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Feb 13, 2023, 8:31 PM
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A bunch of ways to look at it.
I've always felt that the officials should stay out of the way unless the infraction is blatant. That was not blatant and should not have been called.
Clemson's D line gets held almost every play but it's very seldom called. Now let one of the defensive backs brush up against a receiver and here comes the flag.
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Orange Blooded [2284]
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it doesn't have to be at the end of the game.during it can
Feb 13, 2023, 8:44 PM
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turn Momentum & is more of a factor
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Re: it doesn't have to be at the end of the game.during it can
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Feb 13, 2023, 9:54 PM
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As a former Basketball Official, the call on fouls when a player is guarding another player with his arms straight up, over his head. I believe this call is missed 80% of the time.
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I agree, either making a call or not making a call...
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Feb 13, 2023, 10:19 PM
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can decide the outcome of a game. What's more important, imo, is consistence. Refs know exactly how to stop a run or a drive and sometimes call things that they've ignore previously. If you watch you can see them. At one time I believe refs noticed that holding was called 4 times on the same team and called holding on the other team 4 times in the 4th quarter.
There is a standard they assume and try to meet that standard with their calls. That is some evil right there. If a game is relatively clean the calls should be few and far between. If a game is dirty and brutal many calls should be made until the teams realize being dirty and brutal is going to cause them to lose.
Makeup calls should never happen, imo. Two wongs don't make a wight. Refs are human and are going to miss calls and make mistakes. It's part of the game.
Consistence is my pet peeve. If holding isn't called on one team it shouldn't be on the other and the refs should be fired for not calling holding after the game is over.
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Orange Blooded [2379]
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Re: Referees deciding the outcome of the game.
Feb 14, 2023, 10:08 PM
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In a ballgame consisting of approximately 140 plays, you CANNOT point to one play and say "that decided the game."
At the end of the day, it was just another excuse for riots in Philadelphia... as if they needed one.
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