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Recruiting Vs. Portal Pickin
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Sep 8, 2023, 11:12 AM
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I have a theory about how abusing the portal will affect recruiting. Schools like FSU who rely heavily on the portal will start to see negative responses from recruiting prospects because of it. If you think about it recruits will start to look at schools how use the portal in flux as a negative feature of that school. If you were being poached by a two jobs and one job said we want you to work for us but just know we are ready to replace from a huge talent pool at a moments notice, and one said we want to work and develop you into the assets that we see in you. We will pour our facilities and faculty into you until we have the end product both of us desire. What would you choose. I see this being a HUGE positive sales pitch for Clemson. Recruiter sits down with sought after 4/5 star and says "look we know you have offers from schools like FSU. That's great that's why we are here. The difference between FSU and Clemson is that we are prepared to develop you physically, mentally, and emotionally for the long term. We want to make you a better football player and person. We wont give up on you because of some bad film or fair weather fans. We have a riches of facilities and knowledge that we are prepared to dedicate into turning you into the pro-style player that we know you can be. Our number of portal players since the start of the portal is testament to that fact. Can FSU give you the same dedication? I think recruits will start to see this. And I think Dabo and Clemson know that. What you think?
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Re: Recruiting Vs. Portal Pickin
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Sep 8, 2023, 11:19 AM
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The only problem with your theory is that Clemson is practically the only program in the country that isn't using the portal to some extent so, most recruits won't even give that a second thought. In this new era, recruits want to go to the most successful schools because they will attract the most NIL $ and receive the most visibility. And just to be clear, because someone will try and point it out, I'm not talking about the use of NIL to entice players to transfer, I am talking about the legal use of it once they become part of the program.
Top recruits want to get to the NFL and these are the things that will attract them. Anyone picking a school simply to avoid competition may not have the DNA you want in the program in the first place.
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Re: Recruiting Vs. Portal Pickin
Sep 8, 2023, 11:33 AM
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Yea i mean I agree NIL $ throws another dynamic in the mix. Advertising is always good for players as well. I think that its too early still to see if heavy portal use will have negative effects on recruits. But i think a guy like Sammy Brown who could have gone anywhere is a player who values what Clemson sells. I also see that kids want instant gratification so that does make sense. I dont know though its just a theory and not one im completely sold on either lol.
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Sep 8, 2023, 11:39 AM
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for total lack of ability to utilize the portal but just a theory about how it might affect the future of recruiting. I wish we would get in the portal and grab a TE. Also, man it would have been nice to get Hartman
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Re: Recruiting Vs. Portal Pickin
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Sep 8, 2023, 11:20 AM
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Heavy portal use teams have seen no change in their recruiting thus far. It's a nice theory but doesn't seem to be the reality of the situation. These kids all think they'll be the next big thing at 18 so why do they care about the portal?
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Re: Recruiting Vs. Portal Pickin
Sep 8, 2023, 11:36 AM
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No for sure i think its too early to really see the effect just yet. I also think this year is one of the heaviest use the portal has seen. I think DR. Pepper agrees. But I also agree that alot of kids wont factor that, until its sold to them and their mentors. Just wait till we see some top 25 4 and 5 stars get benched for portal players. I think we might see some residual effects then. But yea i agree alot with what you said, unfortunately lol.
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Sep 8, 2023, 11:43 AM
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Things were so broken with FSU upon Norvell’s arrival, he had no choice than to go portal pickin’. So many relationships with HS coaches were destroyed under previous admins. It takes years of recruiting a lot of these kids as you know.
Norvell and team appear to have done an outstanding job with the portal.
My ASSumption is as those relationships are built back up - then there will be less need for portal reliance. But like Alabama - despite great classes (according to basement guru’s) - there will always be room for the right players.
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Re: Recruiting Vs. Portal Pickin
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Sep 8, 2023, 12:02 PM
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Alot of good points. Im still convinced Miami payed Taggert to ruin that program lol. Not trying to take away anything from Norvell he has done a great job using whats available and its going to be blueprint for a lot of teams moving forward. Alabama athletes welcome competition and they use that as a recruiting edge thats a great point. Yea I dont maybe maybe my theory is more wishful thinking than anything. I guess we will just have to wait this out. Kind of feels like we are waiting on college football to stabilize. I have no clue what the future of NCAAF will look like.
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Re: Recruiting Vs. Portal Pickin
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Sep 8, 2023, 12:19 PM
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I don’t think it is wishful thinking. Dabo’s intent to be homegrown and focus on player development and loyalty will be a selling point for many. Like you said - still early in this new world order.
But I agree that if a program overly focuses on transfers - I don’t see how they can have long term success at the highest level. Then again, in basketball Kentucky made yearly roster turnovers a success - though I think only one championship under Coach Cal
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Re: Recruiting Vs. Portal Pickin
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Sep 8, 2023, 12:31 PM
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Yea its going to be interesting to see how it all shakes out. One thing I know is all these talking heads on ESPN and Fox talking about Clemson and Dabo's run at the top being over is absolute garbage. We are still recruiting at a high level and have alot to offer recruits in terms of national interest, facilities etc. I have also read where Kentuckys current class of players is the worst in 20 years, projected.
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Sep 8, 2023, 12:42 PM
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Great. Can't wait for more dead weight players like Stellato to show up. Kids who haven't seen the field in 2 years should be compassionately and elegantly removed from the program and given the opportunity to accelerate their graduation schedule. It should be easy for them as they wont have any football responsibilities anymore.
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Re: Recruiting Vs. Portal Pickin
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Sep 8, 2023, 12:10 PM
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I think you can still sell your program the way Dabo does and still use the portal somewhat…like this year I def think we could have gone after some of the big time wr in the portal and they could have helped. I think Dabo truly sees these guys ,at wr example, better than they truly are at this point in their career. And a couple may end up being superstars we never know but that’s a position we could have gone and got help in had they acknowledged we were average at best at the position. I don’t think we have to take 10-12 portal guys a year but every year there is a few that could help us… lb/de depth this year and of course wr. There’s no comparison ImO to a 4/5 star 18 year old being able to compete with a guy with 3 maybe 4 years of college football experience… physically or mentally it just doesn’t happen often. So the first issue is the staff needs to recognize that yes we recruit well at positions but some kids take longer to develop so there are years we need to go get a few that could help
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Sep 8, 2023, 12:22 PM
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Yea thats another great point lol. Not only WR but I think Briningstool is very underdeveloped right now and Im not sure if he is football ready. A good route runner at tight end who can catch and hold blocks would be so valuable to that offense and take a huge wait off Cade and the WR group that I would have loved to see us pick up a TE that either pushed Briningstool to compete harder or just give him time to develope. Hopefully we just saw a bad outing be Jake but i dont think he is ready. Some WR's wouldnt hurt either. You are right though. We cant just ignore the portal completely .
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Sep 8, 2023, 12:51 PM
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I think you can still sell your program the way Dabo does and still use the portal somewhat…like this year I def think we could have gone after some of the big time wr in the portal and they could have helped. I think Dabo truly sees these guys ,at wr example, better than they truly are at this point in their career. And a couple may end up being superstars we never know but that’s a position we could have gone and got help in had they acknowledged we were average at best at the position. I don’t think we have to take 10-12 portal guys a year but every year there is a few that could help us… lb/de depth this year and of course wr. There’s no comparison ImO to a 4/5 star 18 year old being able to compete with a guy with 3 maybe 4 years of college football experience… physically or mentally it just doesn’t happen often. So the first issue is the staff needs to recognize that yes we recruit well at positions but some kids take longer to develop so there are years we need to go get a few that could help
Personally, I'd like to see us replace folks that leave through the portal with folks from the portal so we aren't replacing 2-3 year program developed players with true freshmen.
That said, I've seen sources in the know of Clemson recruiting confirm we tried to go after some talent in the portal...and they wanted money to commit.
So it's not that Clemson is not outright refusing the portal...just not willing to get messy to bring the top portal recruits.
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Re: Recruiting Vs. Portal Pickin
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Sep 8, 2023, 12:56 PM
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thats great insight! its just another reason Im proud to be a Tiger Fan. Dabo wont sell this programs soul to grab some talent. As much as we are hated by the media i could imagine that if something about Clemson paying portal prospects to come to clemson with the facade of NIL money, we would be blown off the face of the earth. Miami's "money man" is going through a slew of legal obstructions but we hear very little about it. NCAA needs to find a way to clean up the portal.
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Sep 8, 2023, 12:44 PM
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Let's pay people money who are not student athletes anyway...it's all a myth...they are only in football for the money, signing was no contract...just go with who will pay me the most..no value in an education...show me the money...just like our society...FSU fits right in,rape, free king crab legs, no accountability...Jimbo said to A&M and they did! IS that what we want at Clemson...that's what Georgia wants, Miami, but Dabo has a different idea...I`ll still take Dabo!
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Re: Recruiting Vs. Portal Pickin
Sep 8, 2023, 12:59 PM
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You and me both brother. I wouldnt take another coach in the country. I saw the transition Clemson made when Coach was named Interim and the years after. I have never seen a more night and day example of any sports team in history, in my opinion than the Tigers after Dabo's hire.
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Sep 8, 2023, 12:46 PM
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I don’t see an issue with getting 2-3 players from the portal. Some teams rely heavily on the portal but had we just picked up 2 or 3 key positions then we might be in a better position. Imagine if we picked up a deep threat receiver and perhaps an offensive lineman, things might be different heading into the season. Your job as a CEO of a football team is to put your team in the best position to win.
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Re: Recruiting Vs. Portal Pickin
Sep 8, 2023, 1:01 PM
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I agree we need to be active in the portal and do it the right way. Gotta VET these kids, make sure they have the right intentions and skill set and fit into our culutre. No bad apples that demand a certain amount of "NIL" money. Last thing I wana see the Tigers turn into is a Last Chance U school.
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