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Quote from CU admin today on adding Stanford, Cal, and SMU
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Aug 25, 2023, 11:30 AM
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"We are going through a process on the adding of these 3 fine potential members. Look, we are not going to block any deal that brings more money to the conference and adds teams that bring value. We think that could be the case with Stanford, Cal, and SMU; however, we are not there yet. We will continue to work to do what is the best interest of Clemson and the ACC."
https://twitter.com/jwmediadc/status/1695022877014216911
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Re: Quote from CU admin today on adding Stanford, Cal, and SMU
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Aug 25, 2023, 11:33 AM
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Well, that certainly sounds like it will be a "YES" vote from Clemson. It also certainly sounds like we are adding those three. I look for it to happen by next weekend.
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Re: Quote from CU admin today on adding Stanford, Cal, and SMU
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Aug 25, 2023, 4:11 PM
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What does ESecPN and Disney want to do? Are they willing to part with the revenue to raise the payout? If the money comes, so does the yes vote.
It still won't equal SEC and B1G money but about $10 million more every year will help with a "thumbs up".
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Re: Quote from CU admin today on adding Stanford, Cal, and SMU
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Aug 25, 2023, 11:34 AM
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Then we'll be the BCC, both coasts conference?
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Re: Quote from CU admin today on adding Stanford, Cal, and SMU
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Aug 25, 2023, 11:47 AM
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We’ll be like an ol’ grocery store chain, A&P (Atlantic and Pacific). They unofficially voted and it was no. The arm twisting will continue until enough yes votes. The ACC’s non-leadership team also brought us the GOR - how is this working out? Another day - just kick it off and let’s get started -Go Tigers !!!
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Re: Quote from CU admin today on adding Stanford, Cal, and SMU
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Aug 26, 2023, 7:19 AM
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The GOR has worked perfectly as intended. Perhaps the no vote was used to leverage ESPN which also appears to be working given the increased revenue.
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Re: Quote from CU admin today on adding Stanford, Cal, and SMU
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Aug 25, 2023, 11:36 AM
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Is this a defensive move?
When we bail, which we all know we eventually will, is this getting in front of the argument that the league tried to bring in more money and Clemson voted against it?
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Re: Quote from CU admin today on adding Stanford, Cal, and SMU
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Aug 25, 2023, 12:01 PM
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No. You're making too much out of it.
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I’m sure that has been discussed internally and
Aug 25, 2023, 3:27 PM
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With our legal team. I also think Clemson is setting up for a potentially amicable divorce and settlement at some future point. Don’t think FSU will get the same treatment- nasty ex, take everything mentality by the league when things hit the courts.
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Did anybody ask him if the money for Clemson and the
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Aug 25, 2023, 11:38 AM
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rest of the ACC is expected to be enough to keep up with what the SEC and B1G are expected to rake in?
Because that's the only thing that matters at this point.
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Re: Did anybody ask him if the money for Clemson and the
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Aug 25, 2023, 11:43 AM
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Ha Ha! You mean the extra 30 million split 15 ways. Should be enough to build a new sidewalk somewhere around Death Valley and LJ.
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Re: Did anybody ask him if the money for Clemson and the
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Aug 25, 2023, 11:49 AM
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Sidewalk my butt. The way they let contracts up there it will Probly pay for a couple porta potties.
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Re: Did anybody ask him if the money for Clemson and the
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Aug 25, 2023, 1:38 PM
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You’ve seen the lines at the porta-potties, right?
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Right, but that's the elephant in the room and everybody
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Aug 25, 2023, 12:12 PM
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is pretending it's not there by not addressing it. And it is literally the ONLY thing that matters.
They are ignoring THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS. Am I wrong?
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Re: Right, but that's the elephant in the room and everybody
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Aug 25, 2023, 12:26 PM
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There aren't ignoring it. They just can't do anything about it.
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The question should be then, to Clemson, "How on earth
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Aug 25, 2023, 12:41 PM
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will Clemson remain competitive if the SEC and B1G have the tremendous monetary advantage it appears they will have?"
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They don't.***
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Aug 25, 2023, 12:55 PM
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Who don't what?***
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Aug 25, 2023, 12:57 PM
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I meant they don't remain competitive.***
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Aug 25, 2023, 12:59 PM
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Oh yeah - got it!***
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Aug 25, 2023, 1:18 PM
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So they're white-flagging challenging the GOR.
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Aug 25, 2023, 11:45 AM
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Read between the lines.
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Re: So they're white-flagging challenging the GOR.
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Aug 25, 2023, 11:57 AM
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No that's just your continued negative attitude.
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Re: So they're white-flagging challenging the GOR.
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Aug 25, 2023, 12:21 PM
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Well we made 4 and 16 on our side of the field about 10 years ago and look how that turned out and the path we have been on since.
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Re: So they're white-flagging challenging the GOR.
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Aug 25, 2023, 12:27 PM
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Too bad the federal court system has a better defense than LSU.
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Anonymous administrator allegedly makes a statement.
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Aug 25, 2023, 12:04 PM
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Could be on the up and up.
Could be taking a quote out of context and paraphrasing it to get clicks.
Could just be click bait from the gitgo.
I have no idea.
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Re: Anonymous administrator allegedly makes a statement.
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Aug 25, 2023, 1:28 PM
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This is the only correct interpretation of that post
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Re: Quote from CU admin today on adding Stanford, Cal, and SMU
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Aug 25, 2023, 12:05 PM
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Everyone in the ACC should rejoice to have Stanford, Cal, and SMU. We should be proud to add them to our conference.
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How does this help us stay competitive with the SEC
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Aug 25, 2023, 12:15 PM
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and B1G?
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Re: How does this help us stay competitive with the SEC
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It doesn't. The traveling expenses will be astronomical.
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Re: Quote from CU admin today on adding Stanford, Cal, and SMU
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The Clemson folks that support this have parked their reasoning skills in some lost cavern and are not thinking of what is best for the ACC or Clemson University. The question is not whether or not these are great institutions of learning. Notre Dame is as well. the latter is very selfish and has played the conference like a 'tambourine".
Commissioner Phillips and the school leaders should be ashamed of themselves for making a mistake that resembles the awful GOR deal engineered by John Swofford, if this deal goes through. The travel $$ expenses and harm on schooling alone will eat up any extra $ these 2 or 3 universities bring to the ACC.
Your end result will be some additional part-time ACC members--similar to Notre Dame. There is no merit to making this deal except to take the embarrassment of where the ACC is postured vs the SEC and Big?? out of the athletic income disparity discussions.
If you think this is a good deal, I hope you can afford to travel Berkley and Palo Alto to see a sporting event. Most tiger fans will not invest in this extravagant behavior. Noar will other ACC members' fans save for Notre Dame. Get real folks!
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Re: Quote from CU admin today on adding Stanford, Cal, and SMU
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Aug 25, 2023, 1:31 PM
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Most of the other “distinguished” members of our existing conference don’t even support their own team at home, much less 3000 miles away at another 2/3 empty stadium.
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Re: Quote from CU admin today on adding Stanford, Cal, and SMU
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Are you crazy? Cal and Stanford will add nothing positive to the ACC. Those two institutions used to be looked up to for their leadership and academics but look at what they have become, a festering place where liberal ideas and agendas are born and propagated across the entire nation to the detriment of the republic's future......IMO
They need to stay in California and their graduates never allowed to leave that state to contaminate the rest of us.
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A lot of malarkey just to cover up
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Aug 25, 2023, 12:47 PM
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“YES” vote by Clemson forthcoming.
I am sure the Volleyball team is going to love a 3 day mid-week break for a 2 hour match in Cali.
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Re: A lot of malarkey just to cover up
Aug 26, 2023, 6:03 AM
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Will have a long weekend and 2 matches Cal and Stafford or a stop in Dallas for The Smuuu
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Re: Quote from CU admin today on adding Stanford, Cal, and SMU
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Aug 25, 2023, 1:23 PM
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Death Rattle!!!!!!!
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Re: Quote from CU admin today on adding Stanford, Cal, and SMU
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Aug 25, 2023, 1:39 PM
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"We think that could be the case w/ Stanford, Cal and SMU however we are not there yet."
I think Clemson's stance is pretty clear.
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Re: Quote from CU admin today on adding Stanford, Cal, and SMU
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May be more going on from a FUTURE financial gain than meets the eye. Could Notre Dame be involved in some way? If these to possibilities do NOT exist, we(CU) WOULD BE FOOLS to go along with this. Then again, never assume a minimum level of common sense exists at any level in any situation in this current state of affairs.
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Re: Quote from CU admin today on adding Stanford, Cal, and SMU
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That seems pretty clear as us being a know, in the most PC way. He literally says that those teams could bring value, but not with what we've been shown.
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Re: Quote from CU admin today on adding Stanford, Cal, and SMU
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As I've mentioned before I'm a Duke alum. Was golfing over the weekend and one of my friends has connections with some large donors. He heard that there is heavy political pressure being applied in the NC legislature to flip the UNC and NC State votes to a yes on expansion. In short, the state of NC is not going to mess up the UNC-Duke rivalry and all the olympic sports if the dollars can come closer to the SEC/B1G. Like it or not, we are all stuck here until the GOR expires in 2036.
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Re: Quote from CU admin today on adding Stanford, Cal, and SMU
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Aug 25, 2023, 9:14 PM
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The only way this makes any sense is if Notre Dame commits fully to football.
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Hale, after following Tigers home & away for 50*
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Aug 25, 2023, 10:44 PM
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years, being over 80 now with a vehicle getting only 10 mpg hasn’t allowed me to visit Tigertown in 2 yrs particularly with Covid..so how the hale am I getting to Stanford or Cal or SMU?
Well, I did visit & see both California campuses & stadiums in late 1987 & 1988 but I was younger & richer.
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Re: Quote from CU admin today on adding Stanford, Cal, and SMU
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I'm sure that's true in NC. That's why this conference is in the terrible shape that it's in. People on and around Tobacco Road still think basketball is relevant in terms of conference realignment, completely ignoring the fact that the Pinstripe Bowl draws larger TV numbers than a Duke-UNC basketball game. Anyone who tells you Clemson, or anyone else for that matter, is stuck in the conference until 2036 is trying to wish that into existence. While it's an impediment, the GOR is currently held by an entity that is going bankrupt, cannot financially afford to provide Pro-rata rates for the proposed incoming schools which is why they're only offering an additional $72 million as opposed to the roughly $120 million that any 3 current schools would make, and is actively being shopped by their parent company. Bringing in 3 teams that are value dilutive to the conference will trigger lawsuits from member institutions that don't agree, and just because NC and NC State may switch to yes votes, doesn't mean Miami, Virginia, or VT won't then switch to no votes as many believe some schools were hiding behind others "No" votes due to it only being a straw vote.
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Well stated…***
Aug 28, 2023, 7:03 PM
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Re: Quote from CU admin today on adding Stanford, Cal, and SMU
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Aug 25, 2023, 10:49 PM
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Traitors.
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Re: Quote from CU admin today on adding Stanford, Cal, and SMU
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Looks like in the future a school will have to pay to join a conference.
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Re: Quote from CU admin today on adding Stanford, Cal, and SMU
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Translation: Notre Dame tells us what to do and we do it. All of us as Clemson officials feel very badly that the two most far left liberal schools in the country are being left out. We need to change and have an agenda of inclusion. Its not politically correct if we don't look out for them. Besides, Notre Dame is calling the shots and we need to keep them happy. We will sign the GOR a third time to show our heartfelt change that we no longer want to keep them out of the conference and are willing to keep others happy instead of doing what is best for our fine university.
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Re: Quote from CU admin today on adding Stanford, Cal, and SMU
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Aug 26, 2023, 2:18 PM
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If this really happens we and FSU are gone to the SEC within the next year or so before this even takes affect!!!! Mark my words! Fans should be irate!!!!
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Screw the ACC, do what is best for Clemson. Period!***
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Re: Quote from CU admin today on adding Stanford, Cal, and SMU
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Aug 27, 2023, 2:13 PM
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That is what administrators do and is why they are in such positions of importance.
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These are the same people
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Aug 27, 2023, 5:36 PM
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who signed that horrible GOR to begin with. Why should we trust them to make the right vote?
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Re: Quote from CU admin today on adding Stanford, Cal, and SMU
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Looks like we are headed towards being a football powerful Ivy Lesgue . That could be a good thing.
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Is this an "negotiating opportunity" for CU & FSU?
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The quote didn't say anything about Clemson REMAINING in the ACC.
What we have been hearing is that adding these new teams to the conference will ENSURE/GUARANTEE that the conference membership will NOT drop below 14.
IF Clemson and FSU were staying (leaving out any thought of UNC leaving), then WHY would the conference leadership have to worry about dropping below 14 member institutions...UNLESS Clemson and FSU really want to LEAVE the ACC, and Clemson & FSU are using this opportunity to BREAK the GOR and it's respective penalties, wherein these new teams are a SWAP-OUT for membership and free-exit for Clemson and FSU.
Am I just being delusional here or what?
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No. This could actually be the state of play…
Aug 28, 2023, 9:59 PM
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I guess we will see…
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