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Coordinators need their people
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Nov 3, 2025, 3:47 PM
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I think the hiring or Garrett Riley and Tom Allen were good hires. Although it doesn’t seem to be, here’s why.
Both men came to Clemson football without their people. Not only do you have to teach the players you have to teach the coaches. Maybe the position coaches don’t agree with the individual that’s the coordinator. I can’t figure for the life of me how we could be this bad this year. Dabo will get it fixed, I’m confident. Remember when Danny Ford got gone? A few years later they wanted him back. Dabo is the answer, it’s just some of the supporting staff seems out of place. I’d hate to stand in a room with these coaches and say “ you don’t know what you’re doing.” But the coverage on pass defense fails even the basic responsibilities of defensive assignments. Offensively let it rip. Play loose, get beyond the sticks. Be creative and use you talent. I couldn’t stand the pressure of having to make those calls on offense or defense. But that ain’t my job either. Go Tigers.
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Ultimate Tiger [35932]
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Re: Coordinators need their people
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Nov 3, 2025, 3:54 PM
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Tom Allen brought his son with him........who is a "co-LB" coach and works the booth for Tom when he's on the sidelines....just sayin'....
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Dynasty Maker [3491]
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Question ...
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Nov 3, 2025, 3:57 PM
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I don't necessarily disagree with what you said entirely. I'm not sure I agree entirely either - it just depends . . . I could see a time in which you'd want to give them the latitude to bring their own guys, and maybe other times when you wouldn't. But I certainly acknowledge the baseline point that everyone needs to be on the same page in way way or another.
But my question is this -- if, for whatever reason (good or bad), they don't bring their own guys, and they know that's the gig, shouldn't it be reasonably possible to get everyone on the same page, at least for operating purposes? Maybe the assistants don't share the same philosophy as the OC/DC in terms of their own settled opinions, but if they know they're operating under that guy's offense (or defense), then shouldn't it be reasonably possible for the HC to sit everyone down and (A) make sure their personalities and philosophies and attitudes are at least compatible on some level; and (B) make it clear to everyone where the boundaries are drawn regarding whether their underlying differences are allowed to come in to play or not? "Can you work under this guy? Can you do your best within his system even if it's not the one you'd run if you were the coordinator?" "Can you work with these guys and respect their input even if you end up overruling some of their advice/preferences," etc.
It just seems like, unless you have just terrible irascible personalities, you should be able to get everyone one the same page at least for operating purposes, even if there are underlying differences - OR at least know if this is feasible before you hire.
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Re: Question ...
Nov 3, 2025, 8:09 PM
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That’s fair. If you’re successful generally it’s because you surround yourself with people as smart or smarter than you. I think that asking people to be on the same page as the OC/DC would suggest some are not for whatever reason. Tom may not be one to rock the boat. I think BV would have made sure it was done right. Either from a respect standpoint or a foot in your butt standpoint.
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Game Changer [1639]
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Re: Coordinators need their people
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Nov 3, 2025, 4:01 PM
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My theory is mutiny from someone or someones who feel passed over.
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How many coaches did Brent Venables bring with him when he came from OU
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Nov 3, 2025, 4:06 PM
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I dont recall any. There are certainly changes that need to be made on the coaching staff, but the often repeated Tigernet belief that coordinators always bring a group with them is a myth.
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Dynasty Maker [3391]
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Re: How many coaches did Brent Venables bring with him when he came from OU
Nov 3, 2025, 5:39 PM
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Chad also didn’t bring anyone with him from Tulsa.
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I can't remember but did Brent Venables bring his people. I think he just showed
Nov 3, 2025, 4:34 PM
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up and started working. Maybe it depends on who it is. He brought some Clemson people with him to Oklahoma I believe though. Or tried to.
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Game Changer [2061]
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Re: I can't remember but did Brent Venables bring his people. I think he just showed
Nov 3, 2025, 4:43 PM
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Nobody brings their people.
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Re: Coordinators need their people
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Nov 3, 2025, 4:42 PM
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they should bring their own but it shouldn't matter. We should not be this much of a trainwreck. It shows we didnt recruit nearly as well as we all thought. I suspect we arent coaching them hard enough due to portal fear if we make them mad. Bottom line others can work in this system and if we can't then changes have to be made
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Athletic Dir [1123]
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Re: Coordinators need their people
Nov 3, 2025, 10:19 PM
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I like this take. I think somewhere in that position and strength coach to player relationship, deep in the locker room and training facilities beyond the reach of most media, there is a breakdown of focus, accountability, and development. Whether it’s about the NIL money or not, these kids are breaking down when faced with adversity. Ten years ago they played like upstarts against the blueblood schools and lived for the big moments on the national stage. Now we can’t buy a quality win. Something is happening back there and we aren’t getting the full picture, can only see the symptoms.
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Game Changer [2061]
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Re: Coordinators need their people
Nov 3, 2025, 4:44 PM
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Nobody brings their staff with them at other places either.
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I don't think there are many cases where a new coordinator brings their staff...
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Nov 3, 2025, 5:05 PM
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But their aren't very many cases in D1 where both coordinators walk into a situation where the staffs they are inheriting are so inexperienced and just plain bad. I think generally you get a new coordinator, they work with what they've got, then in year 2 and beyond they start making the changes in staff and players as they see fit. That's what scares me when folks say let Dabo fix it.
Maybe Riley has tried to bring in new coaches and Dabo has shot him down. We don't know and never will, unless Riley spills the beans after he's gone. But I'm afraid Allen will be saddled with some of these guys until he gets fed up and leaves or is fired. Hopefully I'm wrong and there are sweeping changes in the offseason.
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Remind me - which position coaches did Venables bring with him?
Nov 3, 2025, 5:20 PM
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I really don’t remember and am not looking it up.
BV represents the gold standard of defensive coordinators.
How’d that ‘bring his position coaches with him’ or ‘let the new coordinator hire his own position coaches’ thing go with BV?
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Re: Coordinators need their people- nope...that's not how it works
Nov 3, 2025, 10:35 PM
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If a coordinator takes a job at an already established program/staff they don't get to clean house and bring "their people. " if there happens to be a position that opens up usually a coordinator can put in their two cents… But by no means is it normal for a coordinator to get to bring in their people. That never happens. They may bring an analyst if there's no primary positions open, but that's about it.
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